A way forward?

[buck_nekkid 5,818]

Will MN survive? Don't know, but here are a few ideas to move us forward:

1. Allow our interim CEO to complete his review and institute any recommendations immediately. I suspect the FD will look completely different afterwards

2. Board to communicate more to members. It is bad following the Demons this year, but to do so in silence is not acceptable. Spill at the end of the year.

3. Continue as we are and get a priority pick. We have never tanked, face no sanctions and so a request for a priority pick should be put forward. No extra wins this year will make any difference. Let the kids have time to develop at Casey.

4. Get tough on the players. Set non negotiables in how to play. Do it or play for Casey. Stop treating them like poor babies, and get them being uncompromising.

5. Get outside experts in- support MN, and sports psych for the players.

We are the laughing stock of laughing stocks. If we don't get it right we ay be the Darwin Demons in time for the next TV deal...

[Pennant St Dee 12,659]

Will MN survive? Don't know, but here are a few ideas to move us forward:

1. Allow our interim CEO to complete his review and institute any recommendations immediately. I suspect the FD will look completely different afterwards

2. Board to communicate more to members. It is bad following the Demons this year, but to do so in silence is not acceptable. Spill at the end of the year.

3. Continue as we are and get a priority pick. We have never tanked, face no sanctions and so a request for a priority pick should be put forward. No extra wins this year will make any difference. Let the kids have time to develop at Casey.

4. Get tough on the players. Set non negotiables in how to play. Do it or play for Casey. Stop treating them like poor babies, and get them being uncompromising.

5. Get outside experts in- support MN, and sports psych for the players.

We are the laughing stock of laughing stocks. If we don't get it right we ay be the Darwin Demons in time for the next TV deal...

I disagree this must become something we rid the club of, I don't expect us to win every game, I expect improvement till that day comes but as part of our change in culture our players must think they need/want to win every game they play in. They must attack every contest, loose ball and hit every opponent like their lives depended on it.

That is how the Swans think/train & Act

[spirit of norm smith 15,143]

Implement Peter Jackson recommendations.

Sack Neeld at end 2013.

Appoint Worsfold on 4yr contract

Liam Anthony (NMFC) ... offer 3-yr contract and trade for Daniel Nicholson

Aiden Riley (Crows)

Matthew Jaensch (Crows)

Todd Banfield (Lions)

Shane Savage (Hawks) ... offer 3-year contract and pick #38 trade

Mitch Hallahan (Hawks)

Tom Curran (Saints)

and priorities:

Dylan Shiel (GWS) ... offer a 4-year contract and pick #2 trade

Dion Prestia (Suns) ... offer a 3-year contract and pick #20 trade

Sign Jesse Hogan to a 4-year extension.

Sign Colin Sylvia for a further 3-years to end 2016

Sign James Frawley for a further 3-years to end 2016

Get POSTERS of Jeremy Howe printed and sent to all junior supporters

I love this club. We are Melbourne. We will not be silenced. Unleash HELL.

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

Implement Peter Jackson recommendations.

Sack Neeld at end 2013.

Appoint Worsfold on 4yr contract

Liam Anthony (NMFC) ... offer 3-yr contract and trade for Daniel Nicholson

Aiden Riley (Crows)

Matthew Jaensch (Crows)

Todd Banfield (Lions)

Shane Savage (Hawks) ... offer 3-year contract and pick #38 trade

Mitch Hallahan (Hawks)

Tom Curran (Saints)

and priorities:

Dylan Shiel (GWS) ... offer a 4-year contract and pick #2 trade

Dion Prestia (Suns) ... offer a 3-year contract and pick #20 trade

Sign Jesse Hogan to a 4-year extension.

Sign Colin Sylvia for a further 3-years to end 2016

Sign James Frawley for a further 3-years to end 2016

Get POSTERS of Jeremy Howe printed and sent to all junior supporters

I love this club. We are Melbourne. We will not be silenced. Unleash HELL.

I like the attitude and some of the points. Not entirely sold on the players, but then I don't know that much about them. I also am not sold on sacking Neeld. I think it will look terrible for the club t do this again after they cut Bailey's tenure as well. Let the guy finish his three year plan and see if it works.

[Chook 14,997]

Wins of any kind will make a massive difference.

[Mickey "O" 32]

Implement Peter Jackson recommendations.

Sack Neeld at end 2013.

Appoint Worsfold on 4yr contract

Liam Anthony (NMFC) ... offer 3-yr contract and trade for Daniel Nicholson

Aiden Riley (Crows)

Matthew Jaensch (Crows)

Todd Banfield (Lions)

Shane Savage (Hawks) ... offer 3-year contract and pick #38 trade

Mitch Hallahan (Hawks)

Tom Curran (Saints)

and priorities:

Dylan Shiel (GWS) ... offer a 4-year contract and pick #2 trade

Dion Prestia (Suns) ... offer a 3-year contract and pick #20 trade

Sign Jesse Hogan to a 4-year extension.

Sign Colin Sylvia for a further 3-years to end 2016

Sign James Frawley for a further 3-years to end 2016

Get POSTERS of Jeremy Howe printed and sent to all junior supporters

I love this club. We are Melbourne. We will not be silenced. Unleash HELL.

Pick 20 will not get us Prestia. If we manage to get another draft pick through the hypothetical Shiel trade (2nd round maybe) use that as well. Or trade a player

[Satyriconhome 10,339]

Why are Liam Anthony and Todd Banfield not getting games in teams that are having problems?, that'll fix ours getting them in

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

Will MN survive? Don't know, but here are a few ideas to move us forward:

1. Allow our interim CEO to complete his review and institute any recommendations immediately. I suspect the FD will look completely different afterwards

2. Board to communicate more to members. It is bad following the Demons this year, but to do so in silence is not acceptable. Spill at the end of the year.

3. Continue as we are and get a priority pick. We have never tanked, face no sanctions and so a request for a priority pick should be put forward. No extra wins this year will make any difference. Let the kids have time to develop at Casey.

4. Get tough on the players. Set non negotiables in how to play. Do it or play for Casey. Stop treating them like poor babies, and get them being uncompromising.

5. Get outside experts in- support MN, and sports psych for the players.

We are the laughing stock of laughing stocks. If we don't get it right we ay be the Darwin Demons in time for the next TV deal...

Interesting. Some media reports suggest our problems might have something to do with Neeld doing exactly this with negative consequences...such as players wanting to leave at the end of the year.

The whole issue of players v coach and who is making the decisions seems to have been an ongoing issue for a number of years with allegations players told Daniher and Bailey what to do and, conversely, Neeld telling the players in no uncertain terms but the players not liking it. Perhaps there's a happy medium which we haven't found yet.

[DemonFrog 1,347]

I like the attitude and some of the points. Not entirely sold on the players, but then I don't know that much about them. I also am not sold on sacking Neeld. I think it will look terrible for the club t do this again after they cut Bailey's tenure as well. Let the guy finish his three year plan and see if it works.

Agree sacking coach is something to avoid if possible, but MN needs to go and needs to go now!

I had sat back and suffered in silence as the MFC was getting slaughtered on the field right up until the 10 goal loss to the Sun's. Then I decided to UNLESH HELL as I seen enough and don't want to see the MFC average over a 100 point loss next season. All that happened with MN as coach is the MFC has gone backwards!

Currently the MFC is a joke and no one should delude themselves about that fact.

MN is not the only problem at the MFC but his replacement sends a message to the football community and current and future players.

Lets make the MFC great again!

[spirit of norm smith 15,143]

Liam Anthony has had minor injuries and is behind Ziebell, Adams, Cunnington & Swallow in North inside mid role. Has 33+ possies in VFL in last 2 weeks and dominated.

Why are Liam Anthony and Todd Banfield not getting games in teams that are having problems?, that'll fix ours getting them in

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,423]

Implement Peter Jackson recommendations.

Sack Neeld at end 2013.

Appoint Worsfold on 4yr contract

Liam Anthony (NMFC) ... offer 3-yr contract and trade for Daniel Nicholson

Aiden Riley (Crows)

Matthew Jaensch (Crows)

Todd Banfield (Lions)

Shane Savage (Hawks) ... offer 3-year contract and pick #38 trade

Mitch Hallahan (Hawks)

Tom Curran (Saints)

and priorities:

Dylan Shiel (GWS) ... offer a 4-year contract and pick #2 trade

Dion Prestia (Suns) ... offer a 3-year contract and pick #20 trade

Sign Jesse Hogan to a 4-year extension.

Sign Colin Sylvia for a further 3-years to end 2016

Sign James Frawley for a further 3-years to end 2016

Get POSTERS of Jeremy Howe printed and sent to all junior supporters

I love this club. We are Melbourne. We will not be silenced. Unleash HELL.

Implement Peter Jackson recommendations.

Sack Neeld at end 2013.

Appoint Worsfold on 4yr contract

Liam Anthony (NMFC) ... offer 3-yr contract and trade for Daniel Nicholson

Aiden Riley (Crows)

Matthew Jaensch (Crows)

Todd Banfield (Lions)

Shane Savage (Hawks) ... offer 3-year contract and pick #38 trade

Mitch Hallahan (Hawks)

Tom Curran (Saints)

and priorities:

Dylan Shiel (GWS) ... offer a 4-year contract and pick #2 trade

Dion Prestia (Suns) ... offer a 3-year contract and pick #20 trade

Sign Jesse Hogan to a 4-year extension.

Sign Colin Sylvia for a further 3-years to end 2016

Sign James Frawley for a further 3-years to end 2016

Get POSTERS of Jeremy Howe printed and sent to all junior supporters

I love this club. We are Melbourne. We will not be silenced. Unleash HELL.

excellent post. Send it to Peter Jackson.

[Lordweaver 235]

Neeld can stay if he has the support of people in the know, ie the players

[monoccular 17,319]

Implement Peter Jackson recommendations.

Sack Neeld at end 2013.

Appoint Worsfold on 4yr contract

Liam Anthony (NMFC) ... offer 3-yr contract and trade for Daniel Nicholson

Aiden Riley (Crows)

Matthew Jaensch (Crows)

Todd Banfield (Lions)

Shane Savage (Hawks) ... offer 3-year contract and pick #38 trade

Mitch Hallahan (Hawks)

Tom Curran (Saints)

and priorities:

Dylan Shiel (GWS) ... offer a 4-year contract and pick #2 trade

Dion Prestia (Suns) ... offer a 3-year contract and pick #20 trade

Sign Jesse Hogan to a 4-year extension.

Sign Colin Sylvia for a further 3-years to end 2016

Sign James Frawley for a further 3-years to end 2016

Get POSTERS of Jeremy Howe printed and sent to all junior supporters

I love this club. We are Melbourne. We will not be silenced. Unleash HELL.

I also love this club - I will elect you as President, provided that you guarantee to pull off each and every one of these all so simple solutions to all our ills.

[Norm Smith's Curse 2,423]

Interesting. Some media reports suggest our problems might have something to do with Neeld doing exactly this with negative consequences...such as players wanting to leave at the end of the year.

The whole issue of players v coach and who is making the decisions seems to have been an ongoing issue for a number of years with allegations players told Daniher and Bailey what to do and, conversely, Neeld telling the players in no uncertain terms but the players not liking it. Perhaps there's a happy medium which we haven't found yet.

Daniher did not let the players run the show that is for sure.

[buck_nekkid 5,818]

I would love to see the whole playing group taking responsibility for their performances. Come out as a group and put it on the line. Tell the world there is no internal BS between coach and players and they WANT the MN way. Come out and say the buck stops now, and for them to hold themselves, and each other accountable.

Too much individualism, lack of 'doing it for the team or mates' and no accountability. Set and keep the non-negotiables that they, as a group, BUY INTO.

A mixed up team is MEAT. Meat being eaten by hungry predators. That is MFC at the moment. Time to get it sorted

[Forest Demon 4,681]

I also am not sold on sacking Neeld. I think it will look terrible for the club t do this again after they cut Bailey's tenure as well.

Personally I think he should go, but to not sack him purely because it isn't a good look after also sacking Bailey would be ridiculous. If his position is untenable, it is untenable, and needs to be dealt with regardless of what has gone before him. If he is kept on and that is the main reason for keeping him, that would be a huge concern.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,644]

Daniher did not let the players run the show that is for sure.

I was referring to the 'Hollywood Boulevard allegations made by Charles Happell many years ago. I accept they may be without foundation.

[jazza 1,323]

heres the thing about the club i dont understand

if the players were in charge and the board wanted to stop it, appointing a dictator and letting him run roughshod over the group is understandable, the result will eventually be this way or go

so after all the complaints its time the prez stands up and makes the statement.HE HAS OUR FULL SUPPORT AND WE WILL SEE IT THROUGH. they havent done this , so thats a worry for mn and the fd

if the players are fed up and want him out ,it seems not chasing tackling and caring is not endearing them to anybody,

also not having the jatz crackers to make a statement is glarinly obvious. everybody a few years ago asked who the hell is jake king. well he was the players leader and took what the group said and put it to the board, end of wallace

nothing seems to be happenening here and it makes me come up with these

A .nobody on the board wants to have blood on thier hands

B no player wants blood on his hands ie no jatz

C they want pj to have blood on his hands

D they have decided they are going to see it through and everybody knows it . including players and all staff

[RalphiusMaximus 6,012]

heres the thing about the club i dont understand

if the players were in charge and the board wanted to stop it, appointing a dictator and letting him run roughshod over the group is understandable, the result will eventually be this way or go

so after all the complaints its time the prez stands up and makes the statement.HE HAS OUR FULL SUPPORT AND WE WILL SEE IT THROUGH. they havent done this , so thats a worry for mn and the fd

if the players are fed up and want him out ,it seems not chasing tackling and caring is not endearing them to anybody,

also not having the jatz crackers to make a statement is glarinly obvious. everybody a few years ago asked who the hell is jake king. well he was the players leader and took what the group said and put it to the board, end of wallace

nothing seems to be happenening here and it makes me come up with these

A .nobody on the board wants to have blood on thier hands

B no player wants blood on his hands ie no jatz

C they want pj to have blood on his hands

D they have decided they are going to see it through and everybody knows it . including players and all staff

I like your analysis. It does seem to have been a lot of buck-passing throughout the drama oft the last few years. Even to the extent of farming the search for a new coach out to a certain ex-player/media identity. If the players as a group have issues they want raised then surely it is the leadership group and the captains that have to bring these to the board? We know that Moloney had issues and behaved like a spoilt child rather than raising them openly. Are others doing the same? Certainly it's well worth considering.