Collingwood chasing Sylvia

[Generation dee 1,336]

Clearly I think this post is spin and BS. As an example are you trying to tell me that Paterson who is a direct replacement to Martin is better than Martin???? I could go on and argue most of the points here, but it is circle work, people no hear have read it before and know my opinion.

How anyone can defend Mark Neeld is beyond me. It is defending the indefensible.

Spin and bs? http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2013&PlayerName1=Stef+Martin&PlayerName2=&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=2081%2C have a look at each players stats and tell me if you think we actually lost ANYTHING substantial. I'm not saying pedersen is a world beater, but you used him as an example. Martin was 3rd or 4th in line for ANY position he could play here, and at Brisbane he still can't get a solid run at it. You do realise some players just aren't up to it? You used Martin as an example of a player who left directly of not getting along with mark neeld. You then go on to claim you "know" that Sylvia, watts and frawley are all headed off, even though frawley is contracted and watts can't leave anywhere unless via trade or PSD. I put it to you that you are a muppet and you live in a drama filled fantasy land where you think all players and coaches at other clubs get along like BFFs from high school.

Nothing but hysteria and tunnel vision in any of your mindless rants. Try finding something positive to look at. Like the fact we have found a couple of very commendable players in dean terlich and Matt jones, or that we played with some genuine mongrel and fire on Sunday. We all know the scoreboard hasn't gone as well as we wanted, but at least we aren't holding onto as many poor players as we were over the last 2-4 years.

[Generation dee 1,336]

You would do well to get your facts right - Stefan Martin has been out injured for some weeks - indeed still has 4 - 5 weeks to go - and had played every game until then. We got nothing for him and picked up players like Pederson & Gillies into the bargain. Poor thought out on any number of levels.

Stef Martin out injured? Well isn't that something that we saw a lot! Either way, he has played 4 games. Click the link above mate, you'll see that he hasn't set the world on fire there. Anyway, that's enough revisiting of a past player who is not on our list anymore. Good luck to him either way.

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Spin and bs? http://finalsiren.com/PlayerCompare.asp?SeasonID=2013&PlayerName1=Stef+Martin&PlayerName2=&PlayerName3=&PlayerName4=&Compare=Compare&SelectedPlayers=2081%2C have a look at each players stats and tell me if you think we actually lost ANYTHING substantial. I'm not saying pedersen is a world beater, but you used him as an example. Martin was 3rd or 4th in line for ANY position he could play here, and at Brisbane he still can't get a solid run at it. You do realise some players just aren't up to it? You used Martin as an example of a player who left directly of not getting along with mark neeld. You then go on to claim you "know" that Sylvia, watts and frawley are all headed off, even though frawley is contracted and watts can't leave anywhere unless via trade or PSD. I put it to you that you are a muppet and you live in a drama filled fantasy land where you think all players and coaches at other clubs get along like BFFs from high school.

Nothing but hysteria and tunnel vision in any of your mindless rants. Try finding something positive to look at. Like the fact we have found a couple of very commendable players in dean terlich and Matt jones, or that we played with some genuine mongrel and fire on Sunday. We all know the scoreboard hasn't gone as well as we wanted, but at least we aren't holding onto as many poor players as we were over the last 2-4 years.

This is what I am hearing from a player manager who directly looks after a number of Melbourne players including one of the following:

Watts: seriously considering asking for a trade, has been approached by a number of clubs. Is said to interested in Carlton, Multhouse has been his mentor and he wants to play for a coach he believes in, and believes in him.

Frawley: Likely to ask to be traded

Sylvia: Likely to take free agency

This is on top of last years walk outs. Make no mistake Martin, Moloney and Rivers all left as a direct result of the coach. That is 6 players in 2 years. 5 of which are in our top 10.

Get your head out of the sand!

[Generation dee 1,336]

This is what I am hearing from a player manager who directly looks after a number of Melbourne players including one of the following:

Watts: seriously considering asking for a trade, has been approached by a number of clubs. Is said to interested in Carlton, Multhouse has been his mentor and he wants to play for a coach he believes in, and believes in him.

Frawley: Likely to ask to be traded

Sylvia: Likely to take free agency

This is on top of last years walk outs. Make no mistake Martin, Moloney and Rivers all left as a direct result of the coach. That is 6 players in 2 years. 5 of which are in our top 10.

Get your head out of the sand!

Lets get this straight. A player manager who looks after all of Moloney, frawley, rivers, Sylvia and watts seeks you out to tell you that all of these players are seeking a trade because of mark neeld, just so you can run to demonland and create a large enough protest and have mark neeld sacked.

And my head is in the sand?

[Grand New Flag 3,227]

Lets get this straight. A player manager who looks after all of Moloney, frawley, rivers, Sylvia and watts seeks you out to tell you that all of these players are seeking a trade because of mark neeld, just so you can run to demonland and create a large enough protest and have mark neeld sacked.

And my head is in the sand?

Perhaps you should read my posts before making comment. Show me where I said any of this? Its total BS?

Mate, if you don't want to believe what I am saying, that is fine, keep you head in the sand, but if you are going to quote me quote me accurately. Also please consider your comments with the predictions I made last year. I was smashed for what I said on here, mid-season I said Moloney and River would walk, I said Martin had a massive fight with Neeld and would never play for Melbourne again. I said Neeld was losing the players with a militant approach. You guys smashed me and at the end of the season almost everything I said would happen turned out to come true.

Edited May 22, 2013 by Grand New Flag

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Perhaps you should read my posts before making comment. Show me where I said any of this? Its total BS?

Mate, if you don't want to believe what I am saying, that is fine, keep you head in the sand, but if you are going to quote me quote me accurately. Also please consider your comments with the predictions I made last year. I was smashed for what I said on here, mid-season I said Moloney and River would walk, I said Martin had a massive fight with Neeld and would never play for Melbourne again. I said Neeld was losing the players with a militant approach. You guys smashed me and at the end of the season almost everything I said would happen turned out to come true.

but the counterpunch was and still is, that we should not be concerned with losing any player that can't hack it under a 'militant' regime, that the laid-back nice guy regime of Bailey was exactly what we are trying to get away from. To that end, Rivers was our ONLY loss last year, we don't know to what extent that was to do with money. Moloney doesn't count, we all saw the garbage he dished up last year how can you blame that on Neeld. Cash is these players' only motivation, but out of some phony sense of not wanting to look like complete mercenaries, some other reason HAS to be publicly supplied (eg: Chris Judd's 'facilities', Gary Ablett's 'new challenge', give me an effing break, who do these blokes think they are kidding). Obviously Mitch Clark can't get his head on telly and say the reason he came to Melbourne was because he would ultimately make several hundred grand more by doing so. You are saying 'Neeld has caused the loss of 6', in reality we have lost 1 at this stage and I remain unconvinced to what extent Neeld was responsible for that.

[DemonWA 3,934]

This is what I am hearing from a player manager who directly looks after a number of Melbourne players including one of the following:

Watts: seriously considering asking for a trade, has been approached by a number of clubs. Is said to interested in Carlton, Multhouse has been his mentor and he wants to play for a coach he believes in, and believes in him.

Frawley: Likely to ask to be traded

Sylvia: Likely to take free agency

This is on top of last years walk outs. Make no mistake Martin, Moloney and Rivers all left as a direct result of the coach. That is 6 players in 2 years. 5 of which are in our top 10.

Get your head out of the sand!

All of those scenarios are likley to be true IMO

however Chippa wanting a trade, and actually being traded are two different things entirely

Same goes for Watts too. If we can work out an amicable trade then it may well be worth considering especially seeing as Carlton have plenty of mids that would interest us. If we cant work out a trade and Watts wants to walk to the draft then we pick him... or he ends up at GWS!

Sylvia is the only one of the 3 where we cant have much say in the outcome. But even in this case, if we want him enough we can keep him. We just might have to pay [censored] cash

[old dee 23,791]

All of those scenarios are likley to be true IMO

however Chippa wanting a trade, and actually being traded are two different things entirely

Same goes for Watts too. If we can work out an amicable trade then it may well be worth considering especially seeing as Carlton have plenty of mids that would interest us. If we cant work out a trade and Watts wants to walk to the draft then we pick him... or he ends up at GWS!

Sylvia is the only one of the 3 where we cant have much say in the outcome. But even in this case, if we want him enough we can keep him. We just might have to pay [censored] cash

Agree with most of that DemonWA

However with Sylvia If he wants out and even if we offer more money he can just go.

Well that is how I understand the unrestricted thing.

PS with Watts I will agree to a swap with Carlton.

WE get Murphy and they get Watts

Edited May 22, 2013 by old dee

[DemonWA 3,934]

Agree with most of that DemonWA

However with Sylvia If he wants out and even if we offer more money he can just go.

Well that is how I understand the unrestricted thing.

PS with Watts I will agree to a swap with Carlton.

WE get Murphy and they get Watts

oops, thought Syvlia was a restricted FA!

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

WE get Murphy and they get Watts

That's a joke right? We will get nothing for him and he will go on to become a very good player elsewhere. Must keep

[old dee 23,791]

That's a joke right? We will get nothing for him and he will go on to become a very good player elsewhere. Must keep

Of course it was a joke C&B do you really think Carlton would let Murphy go anywhere.

Unless the offer was very good I would not entertain it.

[Curry & Beer 5,444]

Of course it was a joke C&B do you really think Carlton would let Murphy go anywhere.

Unless the offer was very good I would not entertain it.

oh sorry mate, the amount of garbage that has been posted here since round one has obliterated my radar for serious and tongue-in-cheek comments!

[old dee 23,791]

oh sorry mate, the amount of garbage that has been posted here since round one has obliterated my radar for serious and tongue-in-cheek comments!

No problem

Humour seems a scarce commodity when the Dees are discussed these days

[ThreeOneSix 954]

Perhaps you should read my posts before making comment. Show me where I said any of this? Its total BS?

Mate, if you don't want to believe what I am saying, that is fine, keep you head in the sand, but if you are going to quote me quote me accurately. Also please consider your comments with the predictions I made last year. I was smashed for what I said on here, mid-season I said Moloney and River would walk, I said Martin had a massive fight with Neeld and would never play for Melbourne again. I said Neeld was losing the players with a militant approach. You guys smashed me and at the end of the season almost everything I said would happen turned out to come true.

This guy is a very reliable source, I remember last year, you were spot on.

[jnrmac 20,065]

Frawley is contracted until end of 2014....

Just saying..

[Longsufferingnomore 1,631]

Agree with most of that DemonWA

However with Sylvia If he wants out and even if we offer more money he can just go.

Well that is how I understand the unrestricted thing.

PS with Watts I will agree to a swap with Carlton.

WE get Murphy and they get Watts

Unfortunately Carlton might get JW but we wont get Murphy. But if Neeld goes.....................

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

This is what I am hearing from a player manager who directly looks after a number of Melbourne players including one of the following:

Watts: seriously considering asking for a trade, has been approached by a number of clubs. Is said to interested in Carlton, Multhouse has been his mentor and he wants to play for a coach he believes in, and believes in him.

Frawley: Likely to ask to be traded

Sylvia: Likely to take free agency

This is on top of last years walk outs. Make no mistake Martin, Moloney and Rivers all left as a direct result of the coach. That is 6 players in 2 years. 5 of which are in our top 10.

Get your head out of the sand!

..

Bit over the top??

Is it really unrealistic to expect players that have been at the club 8 + years to want to chase some success before the end of their careers? Especially in the position we are in as a club at the moment. We need to build success not just hope it happens overnight.

Watts has done nothing for this club to date - Frawley has to be traded before he can walk in 2014 (so there is a lot of water to go under the bridge). The walkout you are talking about might want to add a few more decent players (ie Howe, Hogan, Clark) before making such dramatic statements.

And I also have a player manager contact - you're mate should tell you rival clubs ask about players all the time, and managers take and talk contracts offers all the time

I believe your heart is in the right place GNF - but all i read from you is scare mongering

Edited May 22, 2013 by Unleash Hell

[DeeSpencer 25,709]

What compensation could we get for Sylvia if we don't pick up any free agents? St kilda got a first rounder for Goddard didn't he?

[Ted Lasso 19,518]

What compensation could we get for Sylvia if we don't pick up any free agents? St kilda got a first rounder for Goddard didn't he?

I would have thought we would get a late first round early second round pick for him, he may be considered more valuable given he is one of the few experienced players at our club.

[brey9186 102]

This guy is a very reliable source, I remember last year, you were spot on.

Blind monkey could've got those predictions right..

[jnrmac 20,065]

I have said this before and I will say it again.

The only hope we have of holding onto our senior players is to change coaches imminently. Neeld is a absolute disaster. Last year Moloney, Rivers and Martin left as a direct result of the coach, this year we are set to lose Sylvia, & Watts with Frawley likely to ask for a trade. I am not making this up. Pretending these players are not important and brushing this crisis under the doormat is beyond stupidity. River's may have said he wanted to play finals, no doubt this is true, but he would have stayed at the MFC if we had a coach he believed in. This is not speculative talk, this is well known in player management circles.

We must change coaches to someone that can create self belief and inspire our players as soon as possible. Someone who not only believes in our players, but also makes football enjoyable for our players again. The very existence of our football club depends on it. We are starting to resemble a 2nd division team that is nothing more than a player feeder club to the 1st division clubs.

A head coach is responsible for the entire football department. This includes on-field performance, list management, player satisfaction, culture, confidence, self belief, and recruiting. I challenge people to tell me any part of the job Mark Neeld has had success in.

I love the MFC and I fear the way we are headed. I will not stop until Neeld has gone.

To me the continued support for Neeld is mindboggling. Simply it is beyond me that anyone can support, what has been a disaster of an appointment. How much more pain do you guys want? Talk about blind faith!

I just want to think about this for a bit....not saying there is no truth to what you are saying but...

If players are leaving because of Neeld, why? Because he is too harsh, demanding even? If true, then it smacks of the player militancy that reared its ugly head in 186.

There has been too much of a poor culture at the MFC and Neeld was given a mandate to change it. Can't say i disagree with that. Our players have shown a pizzpoor effort for a number of years despite 'line in the sand' games and 'must win' games and 'must show greater effort' games. The bottom line is, for whatever reason, the payers have let everyone down.

My loyalty is to the club and its colours and history. The current players will one day be gone and I will still love the club. Any player that destroys my club I will be very angry with. I want them out of here before they do that.

Neeld may not be able to coach. His record to date is scarily bad. But I am not seeing effort either. If I was seeing effort I could make a better judgement about the coach. Yeah its his responsibility to a point to get the players giving effort but I like the L Mathews view of the world. Look at the losses and work out who in those losses is consistently bad. Then get rid of them. I think thats not a bad way of sorting out the duds.

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

.....

Love your post jnrmac

This club is bigger then Neeld, Sylvia or any other employee........ People move on but it's us supporters who stick by the club.....

We want people at this club who give 100% and demand success

Everyone else who is not red and blue through and through can [censored] orf

[old dee 23,791]

What compensation could we get for Sylvia if we don't pick up any free agents? St kilda got a first rounder for Goddard didn't he?

I am not certain of this but I thought the compensation thing was closed down last year.

I don't think there is any in 2013.

Does anyone know for certain?

[Cheap Seats 3,310]

I am not certain of this but I thought the compensation thing was closed down last year.

I don't think there is any in 2013.

Does anyone know for certain?

There was definitely talk old dee

Still think compensation is available

[old dee 23,791]

There was definitely talk old dee

Still think compensation is available

Hope you are right UH