Port Melbourne v Casey

[Satyriconhome 10,715]

Game over.

Terrible final term.

Port sure do have a good song tho...

What did you do leave early?, Port lifted, Casey fought back, silly turnover and umpire decision and game lost, the last qtr was excellent from both teams, jst a chance to have a dig at AFL side perhaps, and for anybody that knocks Toumpas...no idea

[demonchris 162]

Great to see Toumpas was 2nd best on. Helps build his confidence levels. Oh and it also silences some of the people on here who knock him so quickly.

[BigMacjnr 283]

Why do we always play potential midfielders in other positions. We desperatly need midfielders - I know Taggert was drafted as a mid why not just develop them as mids.

Kent and Toumpas were also played upforward - it's fine if they are resting but we need to develop some good midfielders now!

I hope Kent plays some time in the mid tomorrow.

I believe they are following the Geelong and Collingwood model and playing new mids through the forward flank when they begin, so they don't get banged around too badly. Forward line is also a reduced workload which is what Rory needs after having an interrupted start to the pre season. His fitness may be part of the reason why he went missing in the earlier games and is only now starting to play more consistently.

[DeeSpencer 25,463]

I believe they are following the Geelong and Collingwood model and playing new mids through the forward flank when they begin, so they don't get banged around too badly. Forward line is also a reduced workload which is what Rory needs after having an interrupted start to the pre season. His fitness may be part of the reason why he went missing in the earlier games and is only now starting to play more consistently.

Yep I agree. Guys with more time/maturity like Blease and Strauss it makes sense to play in the midfield at Casey. Same with Toumpas because he's pretty ready. But Kent and Taggert have a while to go so even at VFL need time. I certainly agree with the theory at AFL level that you bring youngsters in through the flanks because they just don't have the fitness base or strong bodies for long period in the middle.

[Melbournepotter 378]

Toumpas also played as a loose man for a while in front of the defence. His kicking was very accurate. I think he is still getting used the physicality of the local game. He went for a bump (in the third I think) where it looked like he had a choice to either go or evade. He put in a tentative but solid bump (I think the Port player had similar thoughts by his actions as well). It probably shows he may not yet have full confidence in what his body can endure.

I thought all the younger guys had decent games. Tynan got up very high to spoil a few times, Davis I thought had a good game. The times I noticed him coming out of defence, he always found a casey player by foot. Toumpas will get better once he has acclimatised and become a little more battle hardened. Blease continually seems to run too far. He gets around his man but then is either on he wrong foot or has run into a cul de sac. I didn't notice Taggert too much, he could have been on the far side of the ground to me most of the time. He did have a good game against Essendon though and I hope he gets a game with Melbourne at some stage this year.

Too bad we don't have a David Rodan that's 4 or 5 years younger. He kicked a great goal after bursting through a pack but also got caught a few times. He tried hard though I thought.

Sellar did ok down back, mixed a few good things with some indifferent patches, and Dawes did ok. I think his role with Melbourne will eventually be a quality foil for Hogan and Clark rather than the main target he was yesterday. At one time he had a go at Blease for trying to kick an impossible goal by screwing the ball along the ground. His message was to keep it simple.

Overall, It was an enjoyable, entertaining match. Port got a few goals early in the last, and the crowd burst into life and helped them home. Casy were obviously without a number of players but tried throughout.

Someone else mentioned Kyle Mathews. I didn't have a "Record" but I believe he was wearing the helmet. What an inspiration. He is courageous and very skilled. Credit to him for coming back from such an injury and playing good footy at this level.

Oh, and thanks to big Maxie and Chip for having a quick kick to kick with my little boy at quarter time. Thankfully they pulled through without injury.

[wattsjurrahdunne 88]

I had a mate go to that game yesterday, he has played a lot of footy and I respect his opinion enormously.

He looked closely at Toumpas and stated there was a lot to be concerned about. He described him as a "waddler." Not enough pace for outside and nowhere tough enough for inside.

He also stated that Dawes could not possibly come in next week ahead of Fitzpatrick.

He thought Clisby has more to work with than Toumpas.

[What 18,810]

He thought Clisby has more to work with than Toumpas.

your mate is a clown then

[Melbournepotter 378]

Toumpas does have a bit of a waddle...although so did/does Jobe Watson to a certain extent. (only comparing their walk/gait....)

i'm not sure Dawes will be a player to take the game by the scruff of the neck. I think he will be used to provide a contest and create space for others which I think he did yesterday.

Clisby has a go. He got crunched yesterday in a big pack, in the fourth qtr and I don't think he came back on. That further depleted Casey's rotations and possibly affected the outcome.

I like the attitude of a number of the younger players such as Clisby, Tynan, Davis and Taggert. They are positive in thought and continue to be competitive, despite what the outcome is. I think Spencer showed some of that against Essendon. A just keep competing attitude. I think that will hold us in good stead in the future. (I hope anyway). The top teams have faith in what they are doing despite what the score may be, and more often than not endure.

[daisycutter 29,604]

Toumpas does have a bit of a waddle...although so did/does Jobe Watson to a certain extent. (only comparing their walk/gait....)

i'm not sure Dawes will be a player to take the game by the scruff of the neck. I think he will be used to provide a contest and create space for others which I think he did yesterday.

Clisby has a go. He got crunched yesterday in a big pack, in the fourth qtr and I don't think he came back on. That further depleted Casey's rotations and possibly affected the outcome.

I like the attitude of a number of the younger players such as Clisby, Tynan, Davis and Taggert. They are positive in thought and continue to be competitive, despite what the outcome is. I think Spencer showed some of that against Essendon. A just keep competing attitude. I think that will hold us in good stead in the future. (I hope anyway). The top teams have faith in what they are doing despite what the score may be, and more often than not endure.

jaisus, a waddle, if you guys want to see a waddle just watch dane swan. doesn't seem to interfere with his performance

[whatwhat say what 22,696]

if toumpas' waddles his way to a career like collingwood's ugly duckling, i think we'll all be happy campers.

bring on the sleeve!

[Demonland 71,586]

CLOSE BUT NO CIGAR by KC from Casey

Port Melbourne rarely loses on its home turf at North Port Oval and it took a barnstorming eight goal final term finish against the Casey Scorpions to protect its record and record a narrow three point victory on Saturday.

The result also avenged the Borough's loss from last year at Casey Fields when, as visitors, they led all day only to succumb by 9 points to the fast finishing Scorpions.

Casey was dominant in general play for the first three quarters although it kicked poorly in the early going which was to prove costly in the final analysis. The team took the lead early in the second term with fast improving Nathan Page's second goal and led by 17 points when they hit the sheds at half time.

The hard running Scorpions have been particularly strong in each of their third quarters this year and this week no exception as they increased the lead to four goals at the final break despite some spirited efforts early in the term by the Borough.

With James Magner, Tom Couch and young Jimmy Toumpas amassing plenty of touches in the midfield and Chris Dawes and Jack Fitzpatrick in strong marking form, the visitors looked set to break Port's home ground dominance at last.

Alas, it was not to be as Port Melbourne unleashed a withering final term and took just six and a half minutes in which they scored four goals to wrest away the lead. Casey them regrouped and looked to have secured the game with the next three goals and by the half way mark of the quarter, was back in front by 17 points after David Rodan scored with a great check side goal.

But the Borough just kept going, propelled by strong legs and mature bodies and led by 9 points at the 30 minute mark. A late goal by Dawes and a long shot from Sam Blease that missed its mark saw Casey's undefeated run come to an end by a narrow margin. For the first time in a couple of seasons it was close but no cigar for the Scorps who had a reputation of late of winning all the heart stoppers.

Casey now has a vital home game coming up against the Box Hill Hawks after the bye for the State game and will be keen to emulate Port Melbourne and make its own ground a fortress from hell for visiting sides.

HOW THE DEMONS FARED

Sam Blease 21 kicks, 6 handballs, 27 disposals, 4 marks, 3 tackles, 0 goals, 3 behinds.

Mitchell Clisby 8 kicks, 6 handballs, 14 disposals, 2 marks, 2 tackles.

Thomas Couch 20 kicks, 8 handballs, 28 disposals, 5 marks, 3 tackles, 1 goal, 0 behinds.

Aaron Davey 15 kicks, 6 handballs, 21 disposals, 6 marks, 2 tackles, 1 goals, 0 behinds.

Troy Davis 9 kicks, 10 handballs, 19 disposals, 4 marks, 2 tackles.

Christopher Dawes 9 kicks, handballs, 5 disposals, 7 marks, 3 tackles, 3 goals, 1 behind.

Jack Fitzpatrick 10 kicks, 2 handballs, 12 disposals, 7 marks, 2 tackles, 15 hit outs, 3 goals, 2 behinds.

Thomas Gillies 2 kicks, 3 handballs, 5 disposals, 2 marks.

James Magner 10 kicks, 19 handballs, 29 disposals, 3 marks, 4 tackles, 1 hit out.

David Rodan 13 kicks, 6 handballs, 19 disposals, 4 marks, 5 tackles, 2 goals, 2 behinds.

James Sellar 13 kicks, 4 handballs, 7 disposals, 1 marks.

Rory Taggert 4 kicks, 4 handballs, 8 disposals, 1 marks, 4 tackles, 0 goals, 2 behinds.

Jimmy Toumpas 14 kicks, 11 handballs, 25 disposals, 10 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal, 0 behinds.

Joshua Tynan 4 kicks, 3 handballs, 7 disposals, 3 marks, 2 tackles.

Casey Scorpions 1.5.11 5.9.39 10.11.71 14.14.98

Port Melbourne 2.3.15 3.4.22 7.5.47 15.11.101

Goals

Casey Scorpions Dawes Fitzpatrick Page 3 Rodan 2 Couch Davey Toumpas

Port Melbourne Scipione 4 O'Sullivan 3 Bonaddio O'Farrell 2 Cain Gale Pleming Woodley

Best

Casey Scorpions L Tynan Toumpas Fitzpatrick Sellar Gent Rodan

Port Melbourne O'Sullivan Wooffindin Baird Skipper Pleming Scipione

The development league team returned to the winning list with a 3 point victory thanks to a dominant performance from forward Ben Hughes who booted seven goals.

Casey Scorpions 1.5.11 6.7.43 9.10.64 12.14.86

Port Melbourne 2.5.17 4.7.31 7.12.54 11.17.83

Goals

Casey Scorpions Hughes 7 Barry Long Pollard Smith Troutman

Port Melbourne Whelan 3 Johnston 2 Allan Hammond Johns Mascitti Muling O'Sullivan

Best

Casey Scorpions Petropoulos Hughes Lindsay Corrigan Troutman Fowler

Port Melbourne Muling Smith Whelan Johnston Rounds Mascitti

[What 18,810]

Jimmy Toumpas 14 kicks, 11 handballs, 25 disposals, 10 marks, 4 tackles, 1 goal, 0 behinds.

if we werent playing the Suns this week id leave JImmy to continue to play good footy at Casey, but i reckon he will come in this week

[Satyriconhome 10,715]

I had a mate go to that game yesterday, he has played a lot of footy and I respect his opinion enormously.

He looked closely at Toumpas and stated there was a lot to be concerned about. He described him as a "waddler." Not enough pace for outside and nowhere tough enough for inside.

He also stated that Dawes could not possibly come in next week ahead of Fitzpatrick.

He thought Clisby has more to work with than Toumpas.

My morning comedy gold, watching through the bottom of a glass was he?

[rjay 24,877]

Toumpas also played as a loose man for a while in front of the defence. His kicking was very accurate. I think he is still getting used the physicality of the local game. He went for a bump (in the third I think) where it looked like he had a choice to either go or evade. He put in a tentative but solid bump (I think the Port player had similar thoughts by his actions as well). It probably shows he may not yet have full confidence in what his body can endure.

I thought all the younger guys had decent games. Tynan got up very high to spoil a few times, Davis I thought had a good game. The times I noticed him coming out of defence, he always found a casey player by foot. Toumpas will get better once he has acclimatised and become a little more battle hardened. Blease continually seems to run too far. He gets around his man but then is either on he wrong foot or has run into a cul de sac. I didn't notice Taggert too much, he could have been on the far side of the ground to me most of the time. He did have a good game against Essendon though and I hope he gets a game with Melbourne at some stage this year.

Too bad we don't have a David Rodan that's 4 or 5 years younger. He kicked a great goal after bursting through a pack but also got caught a few times. He tried hard though I thought.

Sellar did ok down back, mixed a few good things with some indifferent patches, and Dawes did ok. I think his role with Melbourne will eventually be a quality foil for Hogan and Clark rather than the main target he was yesterday. At one time he had a go at Blease for trying to kick an impossible goal by screwing the ball along the ground. His message was to keep it simple.

Overall, It was an enjoyable, entertaining match. Port got a few goals early in the last, and the crowd burst into life and helped them home. Casy were obviously without a number of players but tried throughout.

Someone else mentioned Kyle Mathews. I didn't have a "Record" but I believe he was wearing the helmet. What an inspiration. He is courageous and very skilled. Credit to him for coming back from such an injury and playing good footy at this level.

Oh, and thanks to big Maxie and Chip for having a quick kick to kick with my little boy at quarter time. Thankfully they pulled through without injury.

It probably shows a bit more about the rules. Players are not too sure about whether to bump at all now and where possible they now avoid it for risk of missing weeks.

[Satyriconhome 10,715]

"Davis I thought had a good game. The times I noticed him coming out of defence, he always found a casey player by foot", that can't possibley be right can it?.......posters on here are adamant he can't kick......another myth/untruth/rumour/etc lays in the corner slowly deflating........

[Melbournepotter 378]

I wanted to watch Davis to see how his disposal was. To me, it looked ok. Re Toumpas, I would rather he spend a few games at Casey, to develop. It;'s obviously too early to make a career judgement, I think he needs to develop a stronger confidence in himself at VFL level befroe moving up again.

[rjay 24,877]

"Davis I thought had a good game. The times I noticed him coming out of defence, he always found a casey player by foot", that can't possibley be right can it?.......posters on here are adamant he can't kick......another myth/untruth/rumour/etc lays in the corner slowly deflating........

You can really make a fool of yourself at times, why don't you ask your contacts in the FD what has been holding Davis back from getting a senior game.

It is not a myth that his kicking has been his weakness, I think his decision making in the games I have seen suffers more from poor execution. The idea is right but the application has been poor. Now if he is getting that side of his game together that is great because I don't think anyone doubts that he has a red hot go and would love to see him bring that to the AFL team.

[What 18,810]

Davis disposal cant be anywhere near as bad as Tom McDonald, thats for sure.

[rjay 24,877]

Davis disposal cant be anywhere near as bad as Tom McDonald, thats for sure.

He has some mates that's for sure.

[Satyriconhome 10,715]

You can really make a fool of yourself at times, why don't you ask your contacts in the FD what has been holding Davis back from getting a senior game.

It is not a myth that his kicking has been his weakness, I think his decision making in the games I have seen suffers more from poor execution. The idea is right but the application has been poor. Now if he is getting that side of his game together that is great because I don't think anyone doubts that he has a red hot go and would love to see him bring that to the AFL team.

It is not making a fool of myself really, it is poking fun at the posters on here that don't give young footy players a chance to develop, they immediately label them as spuds after watching them for 5 minutes in the VFL, it pisses me off hence the attitude, if you don't like it. tough, do you think I really care what posters think of me?

Already asked, they understand he is developing nicely, they regard him as a key back, but Frawley happens to be sitting there injury free at the moment, assume as other poster has said, if Tommy Mc looks like he needs a breather they may consider him

One of the objectives for Troy in the pre season was his disposal and adding offense to his game, his ability as a defender not questioned,, so coaches are more than happy with what they are seeing from him, hence this on website

Troy Davis: Troy worked tirelessly for the entire game and led the team again with his spoils, while also winning a lot of the ball. His 20 disposals from the last line of defence was a good effort.

[rjay 24,877]

It is not making a fool of myself really, it is poking fun at the posters on here that don't give young footy players a chance to develop, they immediately label them as spuds after watching them for 5 minutes in the VFL, it pisses me off hence the attitude, if you don't like it. tough, do you think I really care what posters think of me?

Already asked, they understand he is developing nicely, they regard him as a key back, but Frawley happens to be sitting there injury free at the moment, assume as other poster has said, if Tommy Mc looks like he needs a breather they may consider him

One of the objectives for Troy in the pre season was his disposal and adding offense to his game, his ability as a defender not questioned,, so coaches are more than happy with what they are seeing from him, hence this on website

Troy Davis: Troy worked tirelessly for the entire game and led the team again with his spoils, while also winning a lot of the ball. His 20 disposals from the last line of defence was a good effort.

...but you are not making your point mate and come across as an apologist. Disposal is one of the things he needs to work on and I agree with you that doesn't make him a spud, too many write players off as you say.

It appears he is working on things the FD want him to and that is probably why he is still on the list.

[MadAsHell 4,212]

"Davis I thought had a good game. The times I noticed him coming out of defence, he always found a casey player by foot", that can't possibley be right can it?.......posters on here are adamant he can't kick......another myth/untruth/rumour/etc lays in the corner slowly deflating........

It's not an unruth. I went to nearly every casey home game in 2011 & 2012 and am a big fan of Troy's as he competes hard, spoils well and works hard both ways to provide some rebound from defence, but his disposal has been poor. And that's not just my opinion, one former brownlow medalist by the name of Paul Couch who I was standing next to one game made comment of Davis's questionable disposal on more then one occasion.

Granted I haven't seen Troy play this season, but it does sound like his disposal is improving which is great news, because if he can get that right I reckon he does have the tools to make it. But to claim that Davis having poor/has had poor kicking skills is untrue, well that in itself is untrue as he has for the last 2 years.

[Satyriconhome 10,715]

The point I try to make is yes Troy Davis' disposal may have been a bit iffy, but he was young and still developing, and it is not as if he missed every kick ,and then it is like he has/does and it grows and grows and it is as if the player has to prove them wrong.

I just get a bit peeved with some of the heroes on here who do a bit of kick to kick in the park and think "oh that's easy" how come he misses.

Now we have a post that Toumpas 'waddles" so won't make it, I mean FFS, I think some posters should just stick to water at the footy

Edited May 7, 2013 by Satyriconhome

[Dockett 32 1,239]

Just glad he's finally getting a few minutes in the sun. Has largely flown under the radar and like the rest of you hope he keeps on going forward. Still have hopes that one day he Tommy Mac, Garland and Frawley represent the best backline in the comp. But then again I'm a bit of a dreamer.

The point I try to make is yes Troy Davis' disposal may have been a bit iffy, but he was young and still developing, and it is not as if he missed every kick ,and then it is like he has/does and it grows and grows and it is if the player has to prove them wrong.

I just get a bit peeved with some of the heroes on here who do a bit of kick to kick in the park and think "oh that's easy" how come he misses.

Now we have a post that Toumpas 'waddles" so won't make it, I mean FFS, I think some posters should just stick to water at the footy

[MadAsHell 4,212]

The point I try to make is yes Troy Davis' disposal may have been a bit iffy, but he was young and still developing, and it is not as if he missed every kick ,and then it is like he has/does and it grows and grows and it is if the player has to prove them wrong.

I just get a bit peeved with some of the heroes on here who do a bit of kick to kick in the park and think "oh that's easy" how come he misses.

Now we have a post that Toumpas 'waddles" so won't make it, I mean FFS, I think some posters should just stick to water at the footy

Understand where you're coming from Satyriconhome.

Fingers crossed Davis can keep improving as he seems to be, will be good to keep the heat on guys like Chip, Garland & Tommy Mc, I reckon he could have a career if he cleans that part of his game up and see him as a betetr prospect then Sellar or Pedersen. He will need a good year this year that's for sure as I believe he's out of contract at seasons end.