The tragic downfall of Liam Jurrah

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

who at the demons let him go off there in the first place knowing the troubles?

it wasn't the MFC's call. I am sure they didn't want him to go.

That is why i put a lot of blame on others around Liam.

[hardtack 10,547]

I've said all along, get this bloke off our streets, he is a danger to others.

If he isn't drink driving - he is assaulting people, he puts others lives in danger.

Does drink driving endanger other peoples lives? Yes, it does.

Does assaulting others endanger other peoples lives? Yes, it does.

I am sorry if I want Jurrah locked away before he kills someone.

Keep enabling though Bailey... I mean bing.

Unless anything else has come to light, the most we know is:

"It is understood Jurrah, 24, is being questioned over a violent altercation which allegedly occured outside a 24-hour convenience store on Gap Rd about 3am.

No charges have been laid as police are still interviewing witnesses."

I have read nothing further on any charges being laid, and the charge for his previous aggravated assault (for which he was meant to attend court this morning, is to be dropped... so that leaves just his drink driving charge outstanding at the moment and I would expect he will get the same treatment in the courts as any other drink driver.

That just leaves one question, who the hell are you to play judge, jury and executioner?

[jackaub 1,402]

Whilst Im sure Liam's circumstances are different to the majority of us. What choices did Liam have the night in which he's accused of using the Machete? Was he obliged as a tribal warrior to issue justice under 'aboriginal law' or were the actions he took due to being under the influence? I don't know all the facts so I won't pass judgement. As an outsider it does appear Liam's troubles are related in many ways to his abuse of alcohol & not just his life circumstance.

HEY BONKERS ARE YOU Bonkers? hheeheh why not just accept Liam has and maybe will have somme issues and move on

I really dont understand the problem. We tried he failed we supported him he faled he needs support > Hopefully his family will help and support him and he will realise his potential> I m not sure MFC should have ever got involved but I think they have doine all that could have been expected and more Good Luck Liam

[ThreeOneSix 954]

Unless anything else has come to light, the most we know is:

"It is understood Jurrah, 24, is being questioned over a violent altercation which allegedly occured outside a 24-hour convenience store on Gap Rd about 3am.

No charges have been laid as police are still interviewing witnesses."

I have read nothing further on any charges being laid, and the charge for his previous aggravated assault (for which he was meant to attend court this morning, is to be dropped... so that leaves just his drink driving charge outstanding at the moment and I would expect he will get the same treatment in the courts as any other drink driver.

That just leaves one question, who the hell are you to play judge, jury and executioner?

He's making his last judge and jury look like fools.

I just hope they lock this sociopath away, before he kills someone.

The train wreck that is Liam Jurrah needs to come to a halt before someone is seriously injured.

This is becoming a joke.

[hardtack 10,547]

He's making his last judge and jury look like fools.

I just hope they lock this sociopath away, before he kills someone.

The train wreck that is Liam Jurrah needs to come to a halt before someone is seriously injured.

This is becoming a joke.

First case, assault with a weapon - Jurrah NOT GUILTY.

Aggravated assault - charge to be DROPPED

Drink driving - yet to be decided but hard to argue against and he will be treated in the same way as anyone else.

Latest "assault" - police still investigating, NO CHARGES laid as yet.

There is only one joke in this thread at the moment and that is YOU!

Just what is it you really have against Jurrah? What is your agenda? Currently, the drink driving charge is the only blot on his record at the moment and he is no different to the thousands upon thousands of others charged with the same offence.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

First case, assault with a weapon - Jurrah NOT GUILTY.

Aggravated assault - charge to be DROPPED

Drink driving - yet to be decided but hard to argue against and he will be treated in the same way as anyone else.

Latest "assault" - police still investigating, NO CHARGES laid as yet.

There is only one joke in this thread at the moment and that is YOU!

Just what is it you really have against Jurrah? What is your agenda? Currently, the drink driving charge is the only blot on his record at the moment and he is no different to the thousands upon thousands of others charged with the same offence.

Needs to be locked up before he kills someone.

Regardless of all these charges he gets off, if you don't think there is a problem, you are an absolute JOKE.

Just because he gets off a machete attack because they were all on the turps - we should pay Jurrah respect?

Drink driving is not a joke either, this forum seems to support it - I don't and neither does our justice system.

Actions speak louder than words and judging by Liam's actions in the past year, he is a dangerous individual, thinks he is above the law and needs to be locked up.

[Pipefitter 2,159]

You can't really defend this bloke anymore. He's a tool.

[hardtack 10,547]

Needs to be locked up before he kills someone.

Regardless of all these charges he gets off, if you don't think there is a problem, you are an absolute JOKE.

Just because he gets off a machete attack because they were all on the turps - we should pay Jurrah respect?

Drink driving is not a joke either, this forum seems to support it - I don't and neither does our justice system.

Actions speak louder than words and judging by Liam's actions in the past year, he is a dangerous individual, thinks he is above the law and needs to be locked up.

You want him locked up, yet you are saying our legal system is flawed because he is found not guilty?? Perhaps you long for the days when a good old lynch mob could solve all of the world's problems?

Only one joke here, and it 'aint me, 'aint LJ and 'aint the legal system. You work it out.

[Chook 15,013]

He's making his last judge and jury look like fools.

I just hope they lock this sociopath away, before he kills someone.

The train wreck that is Liam Jurrah needs to come to a halt before someone is seriously injured.

This is becoming a joke.

Moron.

[ThreeOneSix 954]

You want him locked up, yet you are saying our legal system is flawed because he is found not guilty?? Perhaps you long for the days when a good old lynch mob could solve all of the world's problems?

Only one joke here, and it 'aint me, 'aint LJ and 'aint the legal system. You work it out.

I didn't say our legal system is flawed, it's common knowledge that Liam got off because the lads were on the turps, which doesn't stand up in the courts.

That is what it is and at the end of the day, justice will eventually prevail anyway - it generally catches up to sociopaths who think they are above the law and pay no respect for societies rules.

You can say whatever you want, we will revisit all this after his next incident, which judging by recent history, will probably be in a week or so.

[hardtack 10,547]

I didn't say our legal system is flawed, it's common knowledge that Liam got off because the lads were on the turps, which doesn't stand up in the courts.

You don't see the contradiction there?

[ThreeOneSix 954]

You don't see the contradiction there?

I didn't say the legal system is flawed, it is what it is.

The lads got on it, obviously alcohol is a problem for not just Liam.

I hope the others don't drink drive as well.

[bing181 9,242]

Drink driving is not a joke either, this forum seems to support it

Who, where, when?

Come on ...

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

Drink driving is not a joke either, this forum seems to support it - I don't and neither does our justice system.

Pretty much nobody here thinks drink driving is a joke.

Pretty much everybody thinks that you are.

[Range Rover 1,935]

it wasn't the MFC's call. I am sure they didn't want him to go.

That is why i put a lot of blame on others around Liam.

Agree with you WYL. Although Liam Jurrah takes ultimate responsibility for Liam Jurrah, Rubeboy and a couple of the other hangers on shoulder some of the blame for the way things have turned out. From day one I was never convinced of the purity of their motives in "helping" Liam.

That stupid book should never have seen the light of day.

[Cards13 9,117]

it wasn't the MFC's call. I am sure they didn't want him to go.

That is why i put a lot of blame on others around Liam.

It was MFC call to bring him to Melb.... Blame needs to be a shared experience here. From Liam down.

Far out how do we as a society work through this massive difference in culture that can generate such difference and understanding?

Smarter heads than ours fail at it, clearly just ask every club with a failed recruit for behavioural issues.

The complexity of it is hard to grasp let alone the baby steps to some sort of progression.

[Sir Why You Little 37,046]

It was MFC call to bring him to Melb.... Blame needs to be a shared experience here. From Liam down.

Far out how do we as a society with through this massive difference in culture that can generate such difference and understanding?

Smarter heads than ours fail at it, clearly just ask every club with a failed recruit for behavioural issues.

The complexity of it is hard to grasp let alone the baby steps to some sort of progression.

he was doing fine until he made a bad decision.

Sorry but the MFC have sweet FA to do with Liam going off the rails. He is a grown man, not a child.

[Cards13 9,117]

I didn't say the legal system is flawed, it is what it is.

The lads got on it, obviously alcohol is a problem for not just Liam.

I hope the others don't drink drive as well.

While i agree about drink driving, assault etc You use emotive language towards Jurrah yet numerous times use 'lads' towards others who may have also transgressed doesn't help the point of view you are trying so hard to get across.

[Go the Biff 3,434]

Agree with you WYL. Although Liam Jurrah takes ultimate responsibility for Liam Jurrah, Rubeboy and a couple of the other hangers on shoulder some of the blame for the way things have turned out. From day one I was never convinced of the purity of their motives in "helping" Liam.

That stupid book should never have seen the light of day.

So what so you think their motives were ?

[Range Rover 1,935]

It was MFC call to bring him to Melb.... Blame needs to be a shared experience here. From Liam down.

Far out how do we as a society work through this massive difference in culture that can generate such difference and understanding?

Smarter heads than ours fail at it, clearly just ask every club with a failed recruit for behavioural issues.

The complexity of it is hard to grasp let alone the baby steps to some sort of progression.

Yeah, nah. The MFC did everything possible to accommodate and support this guy. Thousands of blokes would have died to have been given the opportunities he was given.

As Al Pacino's character Detective Vincent Hanna said to a delinquent criminal in the movie Heat ... "Empathy was yesterday. Today you're wasting my mother....king time".

[Cards13 9,117]

he was doing fine until he made a bad decision.

Sorry but the MFC have sweet FA to do with Liam going off the rails. He is a grown man, not a child.

As i said from Liam down but ...

He was doing fine was he, you know how? I don't, doubt many would.

Bad decision... When he went to Alice... While an employee of MFC?

Easy call to bring him into the club, hard call to manage long term, just my thoughts. I think this hopefully brings to the surface a deeper discussion on how AFL looks after people in the 'system'. they have huge resources that could prove some benefits.

[Hiram Cowfreak 78]

Would he have been better off if we didn't bring him into the AFL?

[Cards13 9,117]

Yeah, nah. The MFC did everything possible to accommodate and support this guy. Thousands of guys would die to have been given the opportunities that he was given.

As Al Pacino's character Detective Vincent Hanna said to a delinquent criminal in the movie Heat ... "Empathy was yesterday. Today you're wasting my mother....king time".

"Yea nah", well put.

You are quoting a character from a movie as your standard bearer?

I call [censored], how would you know we did everything?

But look whatever makes difference to the end outcome Liam is the one standing in the red dust in Alice, Yuendda, or cells not us.

[Range Rover 1,935]

So what so you think their motives were ?

Status and $$$$ - or at least the desire thereof - no doubt played a part.

My opinion of course.

[Cards13 9,117]

Would he have been better off if we didn't bring him into the AFL?

Your thoughts?