The tragic downfall of Liam Jurrah

[hardtack 10,127]

No, this thread has just became about a bunch of sooks, who support drink drivers, domestic abuse and wreckless violence.

Now, like I said earlier, stick to the topic, this thread isn't about myself - it is about Demonlands favorite in Liam Jurrah.

You are the only one who has been taking this off topic... most posters have discussed the sad fact that LJ's life has fallen apart for whatever reasons... you however, come in as judge, jury and executioner, without so much as a modicum of consideration for the most basic tenet in our legal system, "innocent until proven guilty"; you simply laid into him, boots and all. You tried to take this further off topic with accusations of racism supposedly being directed at you, you take this off topic by referring to anyone who has anything nice to say about Jurrah as a "Jurrah defender" in a belittling way, you take this off topic by posting over the fact that posters are abusing you, while you close your comments by doing precisely the same thing.

So how about you stop feigning offence at what others might say about you and try to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion.

Edited March 13, 2013 by hardtack

[ThreeOneSix 953]

You are the only one who has been taking this off topic... most posters have discussed the sad fact that LJ's life has fallen apart for whatever reasons... you however, come in as judge, jury and executioner, without so much as a modicum of consideration for the most basic tenet in our legal system, "innocent until proven guilty"; you simply laid into him, boots and all. You tried to take this further off topic with accusations of racism supposedly being directed at you, you take this off topic by referring to anyone who has anything nice to say about Jurrah as a "Jurrah defender" in a belittling way, you take this off topic by posting over the fact that posters are abusing you, while you close your comments by doing precisely the same thing.

So how about you stop feigning offence at what others might say about you and try to make a meaningful contribution to the discussion.

I am trying to keep this on topic, however you - like others - cannot respect that.

I shall let you lads simmer until the morning, good night my loyal ones.

[hardtack 10,127]

I am trying to keep this on topic, however you - like others - cannot respect that.

You have to earn respect.

[ThreeOneSix 953]

You have to earn respect.

Not off supporters of drink driving and domestic abuse advocates I don't..

Sweet dreams petal.

[hardtack 10,127]

Not off supporters of drink driving and domestic abuse advocates I don't..

Sweet dreams petal.

You left off the machete (note spelling) wielding reference, kkk poster boy.

[hoopla 418]

Not off supporters of drink driving and domestic abuse advocates I don't..

Sweet dreams petal.

Struggling to believe that a sober Demonlander would post drivel like this

[McQueen 17,863]

I am trying to keep this on topic, however you - like others - cannot respect that.

I shall let you lads simmer until the morning, good night my loyal ones.

Whatever you take to make you stupid really does work.

[bing181 8,167]

Struggling to believe that a sober Demonlander would post drivel like this

[Whispering_Jack 27,992]

Apologies for departing from redneck ignorance and innuendo but let's return to something that resembles the facts:

Liam Jurrah trial, Day 3, afternoon: Did he smash a car at Little Sisters?

[Whispering_Jack 27,992]

Some interesting insights into the feud and tensions within these Yuendumu families coming through in the evidence:-

Liam Jurrah hit me with machete: alleged victim

Liam Jurrah trial Day 4: Alleged victim in witness box

Liam Jurrah trial Day 4: Police officer put through hoops over pressured witness statement

[Whispering_Jack 27,992]

I'm starting to think that the most interesting part of the trial will be the way the judge sums up for the jurors:

Liam Jurrah trial, Day Five, afternoon: Liam Jurrah serious but calm as police interview starts

[Whispering_Jack 27,992]

Weapons loaded into vehicles before fight, court told

Its pretty complicated between Jurrah versus Jurrah.

[pitmaster 3,063]

Witnesses drunk...

Witness recanting evidence citing police trying to direct his statement.

Conflicting claims about LJ's involvement including persistent and utterly conflicting suggestions he was trying to act as thug and peacemaker.

I can't see a 'beyond reasonable doubt guilty' finding here.

And that's without taking into account motive for implicating LJ, which is the admitted ill-feeling towards him and his mob by his accusers.

[Whispering_Jack 27,992]

Witnesses drunk...

Witness recanting evidence citing police trying to direct his statement.

Conflicting claims about LJ's involvement including persistent and utterly conflicting suggestions he was trying to act as thug and peacemaker.

I can't see a 'beyond reasonable doubt guilty' finding here.

And that's without taking into account motive for implicating LJ, which is the admitted ill-feeling towards him and his mob by his accusers.

I agree Pitmaster but we haven't sat through the proceedings for seven days or really had the opportunity to gauge the atmosphere of the trial and, in the meantime, Liam Jurrah's fate hangs in the balance.

http://www.alicespringsnews.com.au/2013/03/19/liam-jurrah-guilty-or-victim-of-a-botched-process/'>Liam Jurrah: guilty or victim of a botched process?

Edited March 20, 2013 by H_T
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[bing181 8,167]

" The jury has been sent home for the night and will return to continue their deliberations from 10am tomorrow."

Not sure if that's a positive or a negative for Liam.

Edited March 20, 2013 by bing181

[Matt Demon 1,385]

I wish he was still a Demon... Loved LJ

[The Great Pretender 430]

" The jury has been sent home for the night and will return to continue their deliberations from 10am tomorrow."

Not sure if that's a positive or a negative for Liam.

They have a lot to consider because of the contradictions in the evidence of the witnesses which seem to have been drawn along the lines of which side of the feuding parties they happen to belong.

[Demon Disciple 10,964]

Beyond reasonable doubt - The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

There is so much doubt as to whether Liam is guilty or innocent of the crimes he is alleged to have committed, under the laws that govern this country and the rights afforded to its citizens, there can only be but one possible verdict.

Edited March 20, 2013 by Demon Disciple

[ThreeOneSix 953]

He'll get looked after, I don't think anyone thought he'd ever do time.

Eventually he'll most likely go in for something or other - I just hope he doesn't kill anyone on the road in the process.

Drink drivers are a real worry.

[nutbean 8,837]

He'll get looked after, I don't think anyone thought he'd ever do time.

Eventually he'll most likely go in for something or other - I just hope he doesn't kill anyone on the road in the process.

Drink drivers are a real worry.

He'll get looked after ? no one thought he'd ever do time ? Yes..of course....because indiginous Australians have a such a hoot with the legal system..and please point to all the no-ones who though he wouldnt do time ?

Drink drivers are a worry - correct and agree with the hope that he and the countless others who choose to drink drive dont kill anyone. ( you will acknowledge that Liam is not in a particular exclusive club when he choose to drink and get behind the wheel of his car)

Eventually he'll go in for something or other - you are real piece of work

[The Chazz 4,077]

Beyond reasonable doubt - The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

There is so much doubt as to whether Liam is guilty or innocent of the crimes he is alleged to have committed, under the laws that govern this country and the rights afforded to its citizens, there can only be but one possible verdict.

DD, this is probably the first time I've comented on this topic. The reason? Becasue I am not sitting in that court room, I'm not a lawyer, and I have had no access to any evidence whatsoever. How you can make the above comment is amazing, mainly because you have NFI about it, other than from what you have read in the paper.

Don't get me wrong, you may have guessed correctly, but that's all it is, a guess.

And to the mods, I am astonished that you have let this thread go on. Yes, there is general interest in it, but it's a very sensitve case, it's a legal matter, and the amount of inappropriate comments being made is appalling.

[hardtack 10,127]

He'll get looked after, I don't think anyone thought he'd ever do time.

Eventually he'll most likely go in for something or other - I just hope he doesn't kill anyone on the road in the process.

Drink drivers are a real worry.

So you have backed off on your machete wielding, woman beating attacks?

As nutbean correctly stated, LJ is hardly alone in the drink driving stakes and no-one is saying he should be absolved simply because of who he is as there is irrefutable evidence that he was well over the limit... note the word "evidence". He will no doubt receive the appropriate penalties for that effort.

Meanwhile, you think he will get off these current assault charges purely because of who he is and that he will eventually do time for some future crime - in other words, in the event that LJ is found not guilty through the courts, you will always believe that he is guilty; I disagree with nutbean's assessment of you being "a piece of work"; you are an extremely nasty piece of work!

[McQueen 17,863]

So you have backed off on your machete wielding, woman beating attacks?

As nutbean correctly stated, LJ is hardly alone in the drink driving stakes and no-one is saying he should be absolved simply because of who he is as there is irrefutable evidence that he was well over the limit... note the word "evidence". He will no doubt receive the appropriate penalties for that effort.

Meanwhile, you think he will get off these current assault charges purely because of who he is and that he will eventually do time for some future crime - in other words, in the event that LJ is found not guilty through the courts, you will always believe that he is guilty; I disagree with nutbean's assessment of you being "a piece of work"; you are an extremely nasty piece of work!

Ben Polis has a Demonland account.

[nutbean 8,837]

one sentence on ABC news headlines that Liam was found not guilty

[Grimes Times 1,278]

not guilty