FAREWELL JORDAN GYSBERTS

[mdemonski2 403]

What's the word peeps. Is he off to geelong or is he staying put? How do we all feel about it?

[Carrot Top 947]

Wouldn't have a clue on the outcome but I hope that we end up keeping him, and that getting put on the table and then ignored scares the crap out of the kid, and makes him realise that he's not the next big thing but just a kid with some talent and a poor attitude who is an inch away from playing in the country leagues.

But if Neeld thinks he's the sort of bloke that will hold the club back or infect other players then I say get rid of him however we can.

[DeeZee 7,378]

I think he has a lot of talent...maybe or more year to really prove himself.

[FarNorthernD 5,861]

I'm for keeping him. Hopefully he has pulled his head in if that was the problem.

Unlike Buckley, Cheney, Johnson, Bruce and that other bloke who have left our shores for other destinations and had minimal success, Gysberts has the ability to be a very good 10 year player elsewhere

[Rod Grinter Riot Squad 5,654]

While he's a talented player, until he looks like he gives a [censored] about playing for the Demons, then I may give a [censored] about what's happening with him

[old55 23,548]

He's definitely not going to Geelong - now that they've signed Caddy and have a bunch of 2nd year rookies to promote or lose - they don't have the list room. They're struggling to find a slot for Jared Rivers.

[P-man 13,366]

Keep. Too much promise to let go yet.

[stevethemanjordan 6,952]

What is this 'talent' people keep speaking of?

Please.

He found it easy to accumulate possessions during his under 18 year. His first few games within the AFL were high numbered games and of course supporters start licking their lips thinking we have yet another 'star' in

the making.

We have enough accumulators who have plenty more strings to their bow. Gysberts has literally shown no other strong attribute.

I do not rate him at all.

[ignition. 1,466]

Wouldn't have a clue on the outcome but I hope that we end up keeping him, and that getting put on the table and then ignored scares the crap out of the kid, and makes him realise that he's not the next big thing but just a kid with some talent and a poor attitude who is an inch away from playing in the country leagues.

But if Neeld thinks he's the sort of bloke that will hold the club back or infect other players then I say get rid of him however we can.

I was unaware of such an attitude, can you or someone please elaborate on this more?

[buck_nekkid 5,857]

Didn't he win the coaches award for his attitude? If so, isn't most of this just tripe?

[DemonWA 3,933]

What is this 'talent' people keep speaking of?

Please.

He found it easy to accumulate possessions during his under 18 year. His first few games within the AFL were high numbered games and of course supporters start licking their lips thinking we have yet another 'star' in

the making.

We have enough accumulators who have plenty more strings to their bow. Gysberts has literally shown no other strong attribute.

I do not rate him at all.

Who are these accumulators that you speak of? We never have hardly any players with over 30 touches, and generally jones was the only one you could count on to get more than 20!

[jumbo returns 6,741]

I've always been a fan, but he needs to get involved.

Playing AFL footy is damn hard - he has some decisions to make, or someone will make that decision for him.

[Dr. Mubutu 850]

Didn't he win the coaches award for his attitude? If so, isn't most of this just tripe?

Nope. Jordie McKenzie.

[Choko 493]

Who are these accumulators that you speak of? We never have hardly any players with over 30 touches, and generally jones was the only one you could count on to get more than 20!

Agree with that. We hardly have any accumulators. I am not saying Gys is the answer, because I haven't seen enough hunger or spread, but we could definitely have more accumulators.

[Deers 202]

If he is offloaded this soon we could very well regret it. But Neeld has no time to wait for stragglers who cannot adapt to his methods (the elite standard). If it is meant to be it is meant to be.

[Nasher 33,613]

We have enough accumulators who have plenty more strings to their bow. Gysberts has literally shown no other strong attribute.

It's not the fact that he can get large numbers of possessions that I like(d), it's that he wins the ball and has very fast and clean hands in contests. This is a massive strength and one we need.

Of course, his fitness levels are exceedingly poor and if the reports are true about him having less-than-maximum devotion to fixing this then I agree that it's probably best he try his hand elsewhere.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

How many top twenty picks have we stuffed up over the past 10 years?

I hope they keep Gys because if they do it means they have some hope he'll be ok.

We could lose Morton 4 Gysberts 11 Cook 12 in the one year with a total of 92 games between them, what a waste there should have been at least one good one among them by the law of averages.

[Sir Why You Little 37,033]

The fact Gys could not break into a truly awful senior team in 2012 must be taken into account.

Is that attitude?

That said, if there are no other clubs showing interest we should keep him for another year.

But what does Gys want?

The coach will know.

[Akum 2,660]

How many top twenty picks have we stuffed up over the past 10 years?

I hope they keep Gys because if they do it means they have some hope he'll be ok.

We could lose Morton 4 Gysberts 11 Cook 12 in the one year with a total of 92 games between them, what a waste there should have been at least one good one among them by the law of averages.

I know it's rehashing an old argument, but guys like Morton, Gys & Cook have plenty of talent but need loads of development to get to the level that their talent can be used. Not only have they had zero development so far (including in 2012), they learned wrong habits from the senior players in the Bailey years that now need to be unlearned fast.

A better way of putting it is that if we never had any capacity to develop players, we should never have drafted players who need development, we should only have gone for the plug-&-play types. Like we are now.

But if we still don't have the capacity to develop players, these guys should go somewhere else who can do it.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

I know it's rehashing an old argument, but guys like Morton, Gys & Cook have plenty of talent but need loads of development to get to the level that their talent can be used. Not only have they had zero development so far (including in 2012), they learned wrong habits from the senior players in the Bailey years that now need to be unlearned fast.

A better way of putting it is that if we never had any capacity to develop players, we should never have drafted players who need development, we should only have gone for the plug-&-play types. Like we are now.

But if we still don't have the capacity to develop players, these guys should go somewhere else who can do it.

Maybe, maybe not. I doubt that Cook would/will ever make it he simply doesn't have the requirements for AFL football. The other two have plenty of ability but need to work on aspects of their game and it's up to them if they want to go on or disappear from the scene.

We all have to understand that not all players drafted are good enough to make the transition and some simply just don't have it, development or not. Even good clubs that have great development programs pick duds that's the nature of the business.

[dee-luded 2,959]

What's the word peeps. Is he off to geelong or is he staying put? How do we all feel about it?

I'm OK either way as I except there likely are issues with his attitude to training & his footy.

Saying that, I would hate to waste him & our pick we spent on him.

I wouldn't be against him getting another Year to try to show he can change, & work his ass off on the track.

[jumbo returns 6,741]

I'm OK either way as I except there likely are issues with his attitude to training & his footy.

Saying that, I would hate to waste him & our pick we spent on him.

I wouldn't be against him getting another Year to try to show he can change, & work his ass off on the track.

Exactly - he has come off a rough 2012 with some major injuries. The broken jaw was a real setback.

[monoccular 17,424]

IF the coach believes that Gys can find the true commitment required at the highest level, AND (not or) Missen / Craig feel that they can help him / guide him to their elite level of fitness, then I sincerely hope that he will stay.

He knows, or at least before his jaw fracture knew, how to find the ball in close, undisputed lay a prime requirement in an inside mid. Viney may be an exception, but a jaw fracture can quickly effect the overall fitness as well as taking some time to recover from psychologically.

On the other hand if MN has any doubts then he is better moved on.

NO PASSENGERS

Edited October 13, 2012 by monoccular

[Left Field 313]

Keeper if he can build some aerobic capacity.

Can get it, can use it quickly to advantage, probably a bit wobbly when expected to hit a target more than 15 yards away.

But can get it and can hit short targets.

No idea on all the speculation about attitude.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,207]

The fact Gys could not break into a truly awful senior team in 2012 must be taken into account.

Is that attitude?

Could be. Could also be that he had a broken ankle and then a broken jaw which kept him out for most of the year and ruined his fitness base.