Josh Caddy

[Brayshaw Self 847]

There are just as many players over the years who have been flops as well as guns within the Top 10, so it's not better to assume at all. If the price is right, and only if it's right, we should take him. Your belief that taking a punt on a player this year is flawed.

Using pick 13 on someone who finished 19th in the BNF after playing every game is equally, if not more, flawed.

Mitch Clark cost pick 12. We can do better.

[rolly 149]

There are just as many players over the years who have been flops as well as guns within the Top 10, so it's not better to assume at all. If the price is right, and only if it's right, we should take him. Your belief that taking a punt on a player this year is flawed.

good inside mids- jones

plodder inside mids- bate, gysberts, mckenzie, trengove

good outside mids-

plodder outside mids- bail, grimes, jetta, davey

The introduction of viney will help the cause of the inside mids.

I have faith that grimes, trengove and mckenzie will all take a massive step up next year but our glaring black hole in the middle is our run and spread.

I think it much more important to address the need for sp...pace as a higher priority than another plodder inside mid whose only real currency seems based on his conditioning after 2 extra years in the system. is this not why we got the guru misson on our books?

if we give up one of our first rnd picks for caddy i will be bitterly bitterly disapointed.

maybe bundle caddy and charlie dixon together for our pick 13 and troy davis but thats only because charlie dixon is a beast and we are also in desperate need of tall forwards

[Jordie_tackles 354]

There are just as many players over the years who have been flops as well as guns within the Top 10, so it's not better to assume at all. If the price is right, and only if it's right, we should take him. Your belief that taking a punt on a player this year is flawed.

Pick 13 isnt a good price for a guy who is yet to prove himself when you are more than likely, not 100% to get a very good player if not great player inside the top 13/15 come draft day.

I like the Clark comparison, he had proven himself as a good KPP for 4-5 years and was worth pick 12, not Caddy

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Using pick 13 on someone who finished 19th in the BNF after playing every game is equally, if not more, flawed.

Mitch Clark cost pick 12. We can do better.

And we all know how important a B&F finish is. Just ask Tom Scully.

If we can do better then name them. I agree that we need to make sure the price is right, but in the end there isn't much the Suns can do. Caddy is out of contract and they will need to take something.

[Wiseblood 24,636]

Pick 13 isnt a good price for a guy who is yet to prove himself when you are more than likely, not 100% to get a very good player if not great player inside the top 13/15 come draft day.

I like the Clark comparison, he had proven himself as a good KPP for 4-5 years and was worth pick 12, not Caddy

The draft comparison is not valid. Look at the failures many clubs have made in the draft over the last 5-7 years when it comes to Top 20 picks.

I'd like to make it clear that I wouldn't be completely happy giving up Pick 13 for Caddy and, like I've mentioned (but it's been ignored as everyone is now narrow minded on the fact that "OMG we can't take Caddy at #13 he's done nothing" train of thought) there could be other aspects to a deal before it's even done. We could trade Pick 13 for a player and Pick 17 for example and so forth until we had the pick we thought was fair... if, as reported, we have some interest.

[Brayshaw Self 847]

And we all know how important a B&F finish is. Just ask Tom Scully.

If we can do better then name them. I agree that we need to make sure the price is right, but in the end there isn't much the Suns can do. Caddy is out of contract and they will need to take something.

I would rather take a punt in the draft than settle for the second best/safe(ish) option in Caddy.

I think a lot of clubs would be happy to part with players equal to Caddy in ability for pick 13, but that's just my opinion.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

The draft comparison is not valid. Look at the failures many clubs have made in the draft over the last 5-7 years when it comes to Top 20 picks.

I'd like to make it clear that I wouldn't be completely happy giving up Pick 13 for Caddy and, like I've mentioned (but it's been ignored as everyone is now narrow minded on the fact that "OMG we can't take Caddy at #13 he's done nothing" train of thought) there could be other aspects to a deal before it's even done. We could trade Pick 13 for a player and Pick 17 for example and so forth until we had the pick we thought was fair... if, as reported, we have some interest.

I am not totally against Caddy, but do think the players at 13 will be better.

I can agree not very player drafted high will work, i dont think Caddy would be in many top 8 teams on his current form, can you count on him improving more or less than a highly rated kid?

I just dont want to trade anything more than he is worth, when he wont take us forward unless he improves or recognises his talent which is harder said than done.

Peopel seem to think he is more likely to do this bacause having a big made body is flavour of the month and one particular player we didnt draft is having success with this.

[Dr. Gonzo 22,520]

Pick 13 isnt a good price for a guy who is yet to prove himself when you are more than likely, not 100% to get a very good player if not great player inside the top 13/15 come draft day.

I like the Clark comparison, he had proven himself as a good KPP for 4-5 years and was worth pick 12, not Caddy

He has proven he can play midfield in the AFL in a crap team against significantly better opposition most weeks. He has proven he has the body to match it with more senior players. And most importantly he has proven he can kick multiple goals a game, something which none of our midfielders bar maybe Jones is capable of to date.

Is he Gary Ablett Jr.? No, and he's not even Nathan Jones, but getting him at pick 13 would be about right. It probably won't be enough though as I have a feeling either Carlton, Richmond or Saints will offer a pick just before ours and Geelong will also offer their inactive compo pick, something which is of worth to the Suns considering they have to downsize their list this year so they can bank the pick for next year.

[rjay 23,927]

We have a big bodied kid who didn't get on the park much this year in Taggert, strong mark, good kick, think he will be a ripper and at pick 30 ish..... Just saying.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

I have to be honest and say I haven't seen much of Caddy but if there's better out there in the draft surely we will go for them instead.

I just hope the recruiting team make every pick count as this is our most important draft in my memory.

[Scipio 5,868]

Caddy is rubbish. The people calling for him to be traded for have absolutely no idea. He's shown nothing really in the last two years.

[stuie 7,374]

Caddy is rubbish. The people calling for him to be traded for have absolutely no idea. He's shown nothing really in the last two years.

Yeah that must be why there's no buzz about him and no other teams are after him.......

[Dr. Gonzo 22,520]

Caddy is rubbish. The people calling for him to be traded for have absolutely no idea. He's shown nothing really in the last two years.

Well he was injured pretty much his entire first season. No-one is suggesting he will be a franchise player, but can he be a good 10-year midfielder who can kick goals and win his own ball? Absolutely.

[Jonesbag 487]

Caddy is rubbish. The people calling for him to be traded for have absolutely no idea. He's shown nothing really in the last two years.

Do you even watch football?

[Hannibal 5,814]

I have to back the club on Caddy and whether they think he's worth pick 13. He's been underwhelming thus far, but he looked fantastic against Geelong. I think I read that straight after the season he was going in for a shoulder reconstruction, so I wonder how that impacted his game. David King calls him a "star", which is ridiculous, but at least I know that Melbourne recruiters should have a pretty good handle on him - far more than most of us.

It's worth noting that our pick 13 is really a "live" pick 12, as Daniher will be going to Essendon for pick 10.

[Mad_Melbourne 872]

His father that died in 2007? if you are having troubles 4 years later then take bereavement leave until you have come to terms with it, any club would understand...i am judging his onfield performances and if you step onto the field you are 100%

i'm guessing you saw plenty of his u/18 games and fell in love...he might make it, i certainly don't wish him any harm, but getting him in the PSD or rookie draft is much more befitting his PERFORMANCE as an AFL PLAYER and he has not shown enough at the AFL level to warrant giving up players or picks. Especially when there are massive question marks regarding conditioning which in turn raises questions about his

I made no comment about his ability, but rather how stupid your post was about homesickness being similar to playing an away match.

Secondly his dad passed away late in 2008.

Thirdly I never said anything about giving up players or draft picks

If we give up a draft pick it would be pick 30-50, 3rd round pick similar to Cheney! And personally I think it would be a steal, he just needs a proper go, and he could well add the disposal and outside possession we need off our half back line.

[olisik 4,060]

What we want: Viney 2nd round

What GC want :Tippet and pick #2

What Adelaide want: Good draft pick for Tippet

What Geelong want: Caddy and Gysberts

Anyway to drum up some type of 4 way here?

[olisik 4,060]

Melb take: Mitch Brown + Pick 15 (And Viney 2nd round)

Melb Give: Gysberts + Pick 13

Geelong take: Caddy and Gysberts

Geelong Give: First round pick #15 and Mitch Brown

GC take: Tippet

GC give: Caddy + 2nd round draft pick #21

Adelaide take: Pick #13 and pick #21

Adelaide give: Tippett

Best I could come up with...

Edited September 17, 2012 by olisik

[titan_uranus 22,474]

I have to back the club on Caddy and whether they think he's worth pick 13. He's been underwhelming thus far, but he looked fantastic against Geelong. I think I read that straight after the season he was going in for a shoulder reconstruction, so I wonder how that impacted his game. David King calls him a "star", which is ridiculous, but at least I know that Melbourne recruiters should have a pretty good handle on him - far more than most of us.

It's worth noting that our pick 13 is really a "live" pick 12, as Daniher will be going to Essendon for pick 10.

I wouldn't put stock in anything that comes out of David King's mouth, after the year he's had.

Agree with the rest of your post though: that shoulder reconstruction may have something to do with his low averages this year. At least, if we're going to shop around first-round picks for him, you'd hope so.

[Guest Rassilon]

Melb take: Mitch Brown + Pick 15 (And Viney 2nd round)

Melb Give: Gysberts + Pick 13

Geelong take: Caddy and Gysberts

Geelong Give: First round pick #15 and Mitch Brown

GC take: Tippet

GC give: Caddy + 2nd round draft pick #21

Adelaide take: Pick #13 and pick #21

Adelaide give: Tippett

Best I could come up with...

If Tippett goes I have a feeling he will go to the club that can get the "deal done" with the least amount of hassle ( ala Clark last year) - damn confident Adelaide is resigned to the fact they will lose him.

This deal opens the door from Brisbane to trump Gold Coast offer with pick 8 & 2nd rounder. Think Adelaide will want to try to get a ready made replacement ie Grundy.

Again if Tippet goes. I think its safe to assume we will get Viney in the 2nd round, because we have the pivotal pick 4 that if given to Brisbane or GC would get the deal DONE. Alternative for Gold coast is to burn pick 2 assuming they still have it - . Gold Coast have a simple choice bid for Viney and lose Tippett & a 17 YO. Gold Coast must declare their hand first.

I think we have a preference to deal with Gold Coast - we have declared an interest in Caddy. However, obviously we will not put our cards on the table till after the father and son bidding process is complete.

At the end of the day think the Tippet deal (if it happens) will make a big impact on where Joshs plays next year. We have a very strong partner in Adelaide we both share a mutually beneficial outcome, we have a very strong relationship with Adelaide off field (Craig & Viney).

Another side note - ironically after the Brock Tanking [censored] - Melbourne are going to play everything by the BOOK. Technically its illegal to make pre-trade period agreements and frowned upon by the AFL. Hence we have told Gold Coast sorry we have to play it by the book this year of all years. MELBOURNE will not enter into any pre-trade period deals. Gold Coast "vial" threat is just that as Harrington has said " we will not take players out of sequence. Our fans would demand that." In essence Gold Coast your "threat" has massive implications for you.

If Gold Coast want to f us over and act like little "kiddies" well thats their prerogative. However, the alternative is to act like mature adults and negotiate a win-win-win deal in due time under the laws stipulated by the AFL.

Go Dees

Edited September 17, 2012 by Rassilon

[Hannibal 5,814]

I wouldn't put stock in anything that comes out of David King's mouth, after the year he's had.

Agree with the rest of your post though: that shoulder reconstruction may have something to do with his low averages this year. At least, if we're going to shop around first-round picks for him, you'd hope so.

What do you mean by "I agree with the rest of your post though" ?

I said King's assertion was "ridiculous".

[olisik 4,060]

If Tippett goes I have a feeling he will go to the club that can get the "deal done" with the least amount of hassle ( ala Clark last year) - damn confident Adelaide is resigned to the fact they will lose him.

This deal opens the door from Brisbane to trump Gold Coast offer with pick 8 & 2nd rounder. Think Adelaide will want to try to get a ready made replacement ie Grundy.

Again if Tippet goes. I think its safe to assume we will get Viney in the 2nd round, because we have the pivotal pick 4 that if given to Brisbane or GC would get the deal DONE. Alternative for Gold coast is to burn pick 2 assuming they still have it - . Gold Coast have a simple choice bid for Viney and lose Tippett & a 17 YO. Gold Coast must declare their hand first.

I think we have a preference to deal with Gold Coast - we have declared an interest in Caddy. However, obviously we will not put our cards on the table till after the father and son bidding process is complete.

At the end of the day think the Tippet deal (if it happens) will make a big impact on where Joshs plays next year. We have a very strong partner in Adelaide we both share a mutually beneficial outcome, we have a very strong relationship with Adelaide off field (Craig & Viney).

Another side note - ironically after the Brock Tanking [censored] - Melbourne are going to play everything by the BOOK. Technically its illegal to make pre-trade period agreements and frowned upon by the AFL. Hence we have told Gold Coast sorry we have to play it by the book this year of all years. MELBOURNE will not enter into any pre-trade period deals. Gold Coast "vial" threat is just that as Harrington has said " we will not take players out of sequence. Our fans would demand that." In essence Gold Coast your "threat" has massive implications for you.

Go Dees

Biggest issue is that Gold Coast has nothing that we want to warrant us giving them pick #4 unless they are willing to part with Bennell or O'Meara for it.

Realistically GC want more then they can afford or are willing to give.

At the moment they are trying to manipulate a trade for Caddy which will buy them Tippet but any team would be a fool to think they are of the same value.

Imho its either pick #2 or Tippet for GC

Edited September 17, 2012 by olisik

[Guest Rassilon]

Biggest issue is that Gold Coast has nothing that we want to warrant us giving them pick #4 unless they are willing to part with Bennell or O'Meara for it.

Realistically GC want more then they can afford or are willing to give.

At the moment they are trying to manipulate a trade for Caddy which will buy them Tippet but any team would be a fool to think they are of the same value.

Imho its either pick #2 or Tippet for GC

This is a miss analysis - I think you need to think about it again. If we where to put pick 4 on the table it would be reasonable to assume we have assisted Adelaide.

[rolly 149]

I made no comment about his ability, but rather how stupid your post was about homesickness being similar to playing an away match.

Secondly his dad passed away late in 2008.

Thirdly I never said anything about giving up players or draft picks

If we give up a draft pick it would be pick 30-50, 3rd round pick similar to Cheney! And personally I think it would be a steal, he just needs a proper go, and he could well add the disposal and outside possession we need off our half back line.

how else would we get him if not with picks or players?

You do realise he has played 13 games for an avg 1.4 kicks and 2.2 handballs? How is wasting a pick, even a 3rd rnd, a good idea? We would be better off keeping morton!

If he is THAT homesick then my original comments regarding his mental fragility stand

[jumbo returns 6,493]

Caddy can play - don't worry about that.

I've watched his career through school footy and watched several games when he was playing with the Knights and I'll tell you this:

He is just as intimidating and competitive and in love with the contest as JV is....

This has to happen for us.