Trading scenario

[old dee 23,524]

Too early for this thread.

With all the emotion from our pathetic performances well over half the list has been named on this thread to be delisted or traded!?!?!?!

Lets wait and see who stands up in the last 2/3rds of the season. After attending the a supporters night earlier this week I am far more confident of where we are headed. Neeld, Schwab, Misson and Argus all presented excellently. I am much calmer and understand the direction. I am certain things will start to click before seasons end.

My biggest concern is re-signing the younger players.

You think incorrectly?

There are IMO a number that are not AFL standard.

Performances will change my mind.

Words are cheap

[Adam The God 29,635]

Send Jamar to a club and give him a chance of winning a flag the poor bugger.

Jamar owes us for the years he's spent on our list and the faith placed in him by the football club. We're not a charity. We've allowed him to play AFL when others may not have. "Poor bugger"? What is this?

[Newcomer 2]

Yeah don't know about this poor bugger Jamar stuff. He was pretty ordinary for 6 or 7 years on our list and allowed to develop.

He needs to stay. The other options are:

- Martin (not a permanent ruckman and way too inconsistent...must eliminate the dumb stuff (as G Lyon called it...dumb player) before he is to be relied on as #1)

- Spencer (ahh, no)

- Gawn (already had 2 knee recos, looked pretty slow last year, deserves a chance but a big if)

- Fitzpatrick (no way a ruck...highly doubt will be a forward either)

- Sellar (not a ruck)

- Clark (must play forward)

[old dee 23,524]

Yeah don't know about this poor bugger Jamar stuff. He was pretty ordinary for 6 or 7 years on our list and allowed to develop.

He needs to stay. The other options are:

- Martin (not a permanent ruckman and way too inconsistent...must eliminate the dumb stuff (as G Lyon called it...dumb player) before he is to be relied on as #1)

- Spencer (ahh, no)

- Gawn (already had 2 knee recos, looked pretty slow last year, deserves a chance but a big if)

- Fitzpatrick (no way a ruck...highly doubt will be a forward either)

- Sellar (not a ruck)

- Clark (must play forward)

We might need him to stay but he is a free agent now he can go where he choices.

The brave new world of free agency is the future forget all the other stuff

[Keepin up with the Joneses 48]

Sylvia, Moloney and Davey. Like trying to sell Greek Government bonds at the moment.

Funniest and most accurate demonland quote for a long time! Well played

[dee-luded 2,959]

Don't think we should draft any player over 26. Not while we are still shedding our older players. And the ones available are all past their best and the game is becoming harder for players young (skinney) and old (slowing). 22 - 26 seems optimal, hence Cloke such a target.

I'm sorry PRB, I don't agree.

We've put up with poor inhouse culture for far too long. it's time to crack it wide open like a Raw Egg.

I'd definately go after Chapman, Scotland, maybe a Corey, etc. 2 of these may be enough Lllleadership to help our Jacks of all trades. Sam Mitchell would be a god=send.

Green, gaaawn, Davey, gaawn, Sylvia, gaaawn, Moloney, gaawn....

Edited June 6, 2012 by dee-luded

[PaulRB 6,305]

I'd prefer the Sydney way (establish the culture and recruit player who will thrive in it) to an aged version of the Carlton way (import a big name strong leader and have them inoculate the club with the "right" culture).

I think by electing two young captains we have chosen to develop our own culture rather than import older players who have the right stuff. I think to bring in foreign leaders approaching retirement age next year would be a slap in the face of the LG and show the FD has little faith in their leadership potential. Not a good move in my books. Would rather spend our coin on a leader in the right age group with proven match winning capabilities (i.e Judd when he went to Carlton).

I actually think with this years restructure of the MFC LG we are far improved and on the right track to rectifying our "poor inhouse culture". We should continue to support and add to this group. A player such as Boak would be ideal.

Go Dees

[dee-luded 2,959]

I'd prefer the Sydney way (establish the culture and recruit player who will thrive in it) to an aged version of the Carlton way (import a big name strong leader and have them inoculate the club with the "right" culture).

I think by electing two young captains we have chosen to develop our own culture rather than import older players who have the right stuff. I think to bring in foreign leaders approaching retirement age next year would be a slap in the face of the LG and show the FD has little faith in their leadership potential. Not a good move in my books. Would rather spend our coin on a leader in the right age group with proven match winning capabilities (i.e Judd when he went to Carlton).

I actually think with this years restructure of the MFC LG we are far improved and on the right track to rectifying our "poor inhouse culture". We should continue to support and add to this group. A player such as Boak would be ideal.

Go Dees

I like the swans model as well.

But Roos isn't at Melbourne.

What I'm talking about is the immediate 2 years to turn this cumbersome overloaded with 'junk bonds' ship about.

After that I'm fine with the Swans model.

[Ron Burgundy 8,584]

It would be great if we could land Boak. The reality is though, it will be very hard - every club wants his services.

The Ling suggestion though is absolutely fantastic.

I've posted this before, but I think it's relevant to this discussion.

Last October, I was in New York. Sat next to Andrew Mackie and his wife at a restaurant and then spent the night drinking with him.

I asked him what he thought of the Dees. He said we clearly had a leadership vacuum and a bad culture. He said the infamous 186 game was just bizarre.

He wasn't sure as to the quality of the list - said some of the young players looked pretty good, but, because of the lack of really good senior players, they probably wouldn't develop as well as they could.

He contrasted that with Geelong. In particular, he highlighted the importance of Cameron Ling. He said that, as a young player coming into the system, the older players are vital to setting the culture and attitude of the rest of the list - and he said there was no one better than Cameron Ling. He seemed to place a lot of Geelong's success squarely on the shoulders of Cameron Ling.

In short, Ling would be an absolutely sensational get for our club - particularly at this stage in its list development.

Having spoken to Andrew Mackie also gives me enormous confidence in Mark Neeld. He is doing exactly the things Mackie reckoned we needed to do. I won't say exactly what Mackie said of certain players - it wouldn't be fair to him - but it seems Neeld has formed a very similar view and has actively taken steps to address those issues.

[dee-luded 2,959]

It would be great if we could land Boak. The reality is though, it will be very hard - every club wants his services.

The Ling suggestion though is absolutely fantastic.

I've posted this before, but I think it's relevant to this discussion.

Last October, I was in New York. Sat next to Andrew Mackie and his wife at a restaurant and then spent the night drinking with him.

I asked him what he thought of the Dees. He said we clearly had a leadership vacuum and a bad culture. He said the infamous 186 game was just bizarre.

He wasn't sure as to the quality of the list - said some of the young players looked pretty good, but, because of the lack of really good senior players, they probably wouldn't develop as well as they could.

He contrasted that with Geelong. In particular, he highlighted the importance of Cameron Ling. He said that, as a young player coming into the system, the older players are vital to setting the culture and attitude of the rest of the list - and he said there was no one better than Cameron Ling. He seemed to place a lot of Geelong's success squarely on the shoulders of Cameron Ling.

In short, Ling would be an absolutely sensational get for our club - particularly at this stage in its list development.

Having spoken to Andrew Mackie also gives me enormous confidence in Mark Neeld. He is doing exactly the things Mackie said that he reckoned we needed to do. I won't say exactly what Mackie said of certain players - it wouldn't be fair to him - but it seems Neeld has formed a very similar view and has taken steps to try to remedy those issues.

I agree Ron.

I think we are on a fantastic journey to cleanse the place & rise from the ashes.

I love what I think Neeld seems to be doing. I hope it's as it seems.

Ling would be great.

[hardtack 10,432]

I see Josh Caddy has put off contract negotiations at the Suns (who have to shed at least 7 players), so is there any point in pursuing that line? (I recall last year a lot of posters during trade week were all over him).

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/137862/default.aspx

[dee-luded 2,959]

I see Josh Caddy has put off contract negotiations at the Suns (who have to shed at least 7 players), so is there any point in pursuing that line? (I recall last year a lot of posters during trade week were all over him).

http://www.afl.com.a...62/default.aspx

Honestly I don't know much about Caddy, other than he's an inside mid who's highly sought after, and by Bomba Thompson as well. To me thats high praise.

I didn't watch TAC the year he was recruited so don't have anything to go by.

I'd rather trade Beamer to Essenplonk, & chase Caddy & Boak.

Josh Caddy is the most high-profile Sun out of contract at the end of this season.

The No. 7 draft pick sought a trade to Essendon at the end of 2011.

Although recently declaring he is happier this year, he has put contract talks on hold.

The Suns have signed Caddy's fellow 2010 first round draft picks David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Tom Lynch and Sam Day until the end of 2014, as well as 2011 rising star nominee Brandon Matera, and O'Meara.

Several others, including Victorians Trent McKenzie and Dion Prestia, are signed until the end of 2013.

There is nothing to stop the club from trading players who are in contract.

Gold Coast must continue to reduce its list size over the next two years, to 40 in 2014 and the AFL-standard 38 by 2015.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/137862/default.aspx

Edited June 6, 2012 by dee-luded

[Jonesbag 487]

Honestly I don't know much about Caddy, other than he's an inside mid who's highly sought after, and by Bomba Thompson as well. To me thats high praise.

I didn't watch TAC the year he was recruited so don't have anything to go by.

I'd rather trade Beamer to Essenplonk, & chase Caddy & Boak.

Josh Caddy is the most high-profile Sunout of contract at the end of this season.

The No. 7 draft pick sought a trade to Essendon at the end of 2011.

Although recently declaring he is happier this year, he has put contract talks on hold.

The Suns have signed Caddy's fellow 2010 first round draft picks David Swallow, Harley Bennell, Tom Lynch and Sam Day until the end of 2014, as well as 2011 rising star nominee Brandon Matera, and O'Meara.

Several others, including Victorians Trent McKenzie and Dion Prestia, are signed until the end of 2013.

There is nothing to stop the club from trading players who are in contract.

Gold Coast must continue to reduce its list size over the next two years, to 40 in 2014 and the AFL-standard 38 by 2015.

http://www.afl.com.a...62/default.aspx

The same will happen with GWS, nothing would give me more pleasure than reaping that club of its talent. I personally dont mind GC maybe because they didnt take anyone from us, anyways lets try and get some GWS players when we can!

[Dockett 32 1,238]

If the Hawks fall in a heap this year, I think we should target Sam Mitchell, as the Hawks may need to frshen their list. He turns 30 later this year and should have 2-3 years left in him, and would provide valuable leadership in the short term, as well as doing something nobody else on our team can do, extract the ball cleanly from stoppages.

Has been a good player for sure but don't agree. Would make our midfield older and slower.

[TheoX 1,220]

The same will happen with GWS, nothing would give me more pleasure than reaping that club of its talent. I personally dont mind GC maybe because they didnt take anyone from us, anyways lets try and get some GWS players when we can!

Agreed, i respect CG because they weren't shify when getting players up there unlike GWS. We should go after Cameron or Treloar etc when their contracts are up with GWS in 2013.

[monoccular 17,345]

The same will happen with GWS, nothing would give me more pleasure than reaping that club of its talent. I personally dont mind GC maybe because they didnt take anyone from us, anyways lets try and get some GWS players when we can!

We could poach $cully - oh no, that's right - he has sworn lifelong allegiance to GWS, hasn't he?

[BAMF 4,171]

Is Caddy really that good? I've seen some Gold Coast games this year and have been keeping an eye on him. He really doesn't seem to be as good as he is hyped.

If Essendon didn't try to trade for him last year I doubt his name would be so well known.

[Yokozuna 1,004]

You have to take into account that the players at the GC and GWS (more particularly the GC this year) are playing amongst a team of young players. It is much harder for Caddy to play as well as he would if he were in a team with more than 1 good experienced player (they only have Ablett who has done a thing this year).

You may need to look at their form and think how much better they could be in a better team. That being said, we are not doing much better than them, so coming to us might not be a [censored] change for him!

I too have not been overly impressed with him, but he has shown some glimpses and has the body of an experienced player and a body type we dont have many of.

Also we need to think, why would they come to us? We need to show continued improvement for anyone to consider moving to us next year.

[dee-luded 2,959]

The same will happen with GWS, nothing would give me more pleasure than reaping that club of its talent. I personally dont mind GC maybe because they didnt take anyone from us, anyways lets try and get some GWS players when we can!

I'd love to take a fit J Patton off they're books.

Or Dylan Shiel looks good so far.

[Weedster 174]

He did say that twice but why hasn't he been signed up already?

He has !

[jackaub 1,402]

The same will happen with GWS, nothing would give me more pleasure than reaping that club of its talent. I personally dont mind GC maybe because they didnt take anyone from us, anyways lets try and get some GWS players when we can!

Why did you add the "e"??