Matthew Warnock wants out

[Dee Fan 3,247]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-defender-matthew-warnock-wants-a-new-home/story-fn69a32t-1226143984302

It seems that Bailey wasn't the great on communicator after all; I find it appalling that Warnock wasn’t told what he had done wrong and what he needed to do to rectify the problem.

I still reckon you can’t have Warnock and Joel Mac in the same team but you can have one or the other, I reckon Warnock has more upside than Joel.

As Brereton said this morning, Warnock would be a good fit in a side that has a lot of skilled players around him but not in a side that had other poor decision makers

[nutbean 8,838]

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It seems that Bailey wasn't the great on communicator after all; I find it appalling that Warnock wasn’t told what he had done wrong and what he needed to do to rectify the problem.

I still reckon you can’t have Warnock and Joel Mac in the same team but you can have one or the other, I reckon Warnock has more upside than Joel.

As Brereton said this morning, Warnock would be a good fit in a side that has a lot of skilled players around him but not in a side that had other poor decision makers

Grain of salt.

Whether you like him or not every single person on this forum have outlined his weaknesses in detail and these havent differed at all. Yet you think the coaching staff kept it a secret from him.

Edit: my two cents worth- I much prefer Joel Mac - first of all Joel is way more creative and attacking. The knock on Warnock is his decision making and disposal. The knock on Joel in the main is his kicking. I dont think he generally makes poor decisions just poor execution. Also Warnock looks like he has hand grenade with no pin in his hand as soon as he gets the pill.

Edited September 23, 2011 by nutbean

[old55 22,853]

Who knows what Neeld might think. He was Collingwood backline coach for 2 years with Presti as the pea, he might rate Warnock - he's meeting with the players today and could turn him around if he wants him.

[Jordie_tackles 354]

Farren Ray....you're kidding yourself. He isn't the list clogger we would want

Lynch & Stanley on the other hand- very limited game time like most of the young Saints.

Lynch and Stanley both play for the Saints also, Lynch at the suns is worth a top pick not Warnock lol

[Bring-Back-Powell 14,389]

Warnock and 5th round draft pick for a very late fourth round pick should get this deal done

[Jordie_tackles 354]

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It seems that Bailey wasn't the great on communicator after all; I find it appalling that Warnock wasn’t told what he had done wrong and what he needed to do to rectify the problem.

I still reckon you can’t have Warnock and Joel Mac in the same team but you can have one or the other, I reckon Warnock has more upside than Joel.

As Brereton said this morning, Warnock would be a good fit in a side that has a lot of skilled players around him but not in a side that had other poor decision makers

If true, this is disgraceful by Bailey, also though if your out of the team for so long, i would be asking what is up and expecting an answer

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Grain of salt.

Whether you like him or not every single person on this forum have outlined his weaknesses in detail and these havent differed at all. Yet you think the coaching staff kept it a secret from him.

Edit: my two cents worth- I much prefer Joel Mac - first of all Joel is way more creative and attacking. The knock on Warnock is his decision making and disposal. The knock on Joel in the main is his kicking. I dont think he generally makes poor decisions just poor execution. Also Warnock looks like he has hand grenade with no pin in his hand as soon as he gets the pill.

So you reckon he shouldn't have worried about the coach he should have just taken a bit more notice of the posters on here?

This is what he said.

"I wasn't told any specific area to work on to get back into the side, but it's pretty clear Melbourne are going down a different direction," he said

I find it disturbing that a coach who only has 40 odd players under him, couldn't take the time out to explain where one of them was going wrong, dont you?

But then again the real reason was here, clear and simple.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Who knows what Neeld might think. He was Collingwood backline coach for 2 years with Presti as the pea, he might rate Warnock - he's meeting with the players today and could turn him around if he wants him.

Warnock is exactly the type iof player we will need, all we have to do is iron out the faults.

[Nasher 33,607]

Warnock is exactly the type iof player we will need, all we have to do is iron out the faults.

Would you say the same for Bartram? They share similar faults. I don't share your view that Warnock is what we need, but I'm interested in your point of view.

This isn't the first time I've heard that Bailey (and/or the entire coaching team) was poor at communicating with players who are out of the side. I do wonder how much onus is on the coach and how much is on the player though - if you're not automatically getting the answers you want from the coach, what stops you from knocking on his door and saying "hey Dean, what do I need to do to get back in the side?".

[rpfc 28,052]

Would you say the same for Bartram? They share similar faults. I don't share your view that Warnock is what we need, but I'm interested in your point of view.

This isn't the first time I've heard that Bailey (and/or the entire coaching team) was poor at communicating with players who are out of the side. I do wonder how much onus is on the coach and how much is on the player though - if you're not automatically getting the answers you want from the coach, what stops you from knocking on his door and saying "hey Dean, what do I need to do to get back in the side?".

He's 26 isn't he?

Ask your boss why he isn't playing you.

I firmly believe that the reason Warnock is so highly thought of by posters is because he didn't play much this year...

[H_T 3,032]

Could well end up just cutting him if there's no clubs competing for his services. GWS in the PSD anyone ? They could need some help down back for Davis.

[DemonDing 56]

wonder what hes like as a forward?

[Dee Fan 3,247]

Would you say the same for Bartram? They share similar faults. I don't share your view that Warnock is what we need, but I'm interested in your point of view.

This isn't the first time I've heard that Bailey (and/or the entire coaching team) was poor at communicating with players who are out of the side. I do wonder how much onus is on the coach and how much is on the player though - if you're not automatically getting the answers you want from the coach, what stops you from knocking on his door and saying "hey Dean, what do I need to do to get back in the side?".

We have other players that can perform the job that Bartram does but not too many that are big and quick like Warnock. I met Matty at the Airport in WA after the Freo Final a couple of years ago and he is a very unassuming sort of guy so it wouldn't surprise me if he didn't call on the coach. The coach has around 40 players on the list and I find it surprising that he can't communicate to them what they have to do to get back in to contention for a senior game. Would it be that hard to call the player aside at training, once in a while, and say to him you need to pick up on this sapect of your game if you want to get back in the side?

I employ people and I will tell them what they are doing wrong, if indeed they are, I don't expect them to seek reassurance from me every so often.

You know what's funny about this; if he was on the outer at another club half the posters on here would be saying we should trade for him, but that's footy isn't it?

[Real Demon 232]

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It seems that Bailey wasn't the great on communicator after all; I find it appalling that Warnock wasn’t told what he had done wrong and what he needed to do to rectify the problem.

I still reckon you can’t have Warnock and Joel Mac in the same team but you can have one or the other, I reckon Warnock has more upside than Joel.

As Brereton said this morning, Warnock would be a good fit in a side that has a lot of skilled players around him but not in a side that had other poor decision makers

There's two sides to every story, and maybe it wasn't what he had done wrong or had to improve, but simply that more talented players had gone past him, and were playing each week, and there was no place in the team for him.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

There's two sides to every story, and maybe it wasn't what he had done wrong or had to improve, but simply that more talented players had gone past him, and were playing each week, and there was no place in the team for him.

We don't have that many "talented players" in the backline that we can ignore one the size of Warnock.

As I said above, if he was playing for, say Hawthorn next year and was doing well, half the posters on here would be looking to trade for him.

There are enough games a year, where we need a bigger body, to warrant keeping him on, but that's just my opinion and the club may view it differently.

Don't get me wrong I've been critical of Warnock in the past, but it's been mainly because he and Joel Mac are just hopeless together.

Edited September 23, 2011 by RobbieF

[beelzebub 23,200]

Must confess , not that its going to matter now , but id be curious as to the real story with Matty. ..s.i. l.

[nutbean 8,838]

So you reckon he shouldn't have worried about the coach he should have just taken a bit more notice of the posters on here?

This is what he said.

"I wasn't told any specific area to work on to get back into the side, but it's pretty clear Melbourne are going down a different direction," he said

I find it disturbing that a coach who only has 40 odd players under him, couldn't take the time out to explain where one of them was going wrong, dont you?

But then again the real reason was here, clear and simple.

"I want to be a one club player and I anticipate that will be the case" - Tom Scully. I am over everyones "Words" - actions..its all about actions

There is a match review every week with the team - lets fast forward over Matty;s part comes up so he doesnt know where he went wrong.

I find it difficult to believe that there as no discussion around his performance. But taking him completely at face value - if Matthew Warnock after watching a replay had no idea what he needed to improve then we should trade for a 100091010th draft pick.

Probably what they should have done earlier is said - Matty, we see you as nothing more than depth for injuries. But to say he wasnt told where he needed to improve....spare me. He should have just said - "they are heading in a different direction"

Edited September 23, 2011 by nutbean

[nutbean 8,838]

Must confess , not that its going to matter now , but id be curious as to the real story with Matty. ..s.i. l.

didnt play well at seniors - ripped it up at Casey - ticket was written ( rightly or wrongly) you arent a senior MFC player

[Redleg 40,228]

didnt play well at seniors - ripped it up at Casey - ticket was written ( rightly or wrongly) you arent a senior MFC player

Dermie said on SEN today that Matt would walk into the Hawks backline.

[nutbean 8,838]

Dermie said on SEN today that Matt would walk into the Hawks backline.

I have a small problem with analysis by experts of lesser light footballers.

If i hear one more time what an excellent kick of the football that Simon Buckley was coming from Melbourne ill vomit.

Their views on footballers who they may 4 - 6 times years on many occasions leaves a lot to be desired

Edited September 23, 2011 by nutbean

[rpfc 28,052]

Dermie said on SEN today that Matt would walk into the Hawks backline.

lol

Really?

He better run that by Clarkson...

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

We don't have that many "talented players" in the backline that we can ignore one the size of Warnock.

As I said above, if he was playing for, say Hawthorn next year and was doing well, half the posters on here would be looking to trade for him.

There are enough games a year, where we need a bigger body, to warrant keeping him on, but that's just my opinion and the club may view it differently.

Don't get me wrong I've been critical of Warnock in the past, but it's been mainly because he and Joel Mac are just hopeless together.

And yet he doesn't get games. What does that tell you?

Your post could have been written by a Warnock hater and it would have served the same purpose. Warnock isn't up to it. Club knows it, I know it, fans know it.

Hopefully we can get something for himout of desperation from a club that thinks he might fill a hole for them.

[Watt and Howe? 16]

I think we can get a first rounder for Warnock. 2nd rounder each for Bate and Dunn and a 3rd rounder for Maric. That's about 17, 34, 35, 46. We should then trade all of these to get say pick 1 or 2. Using those picks we could get John Patton.

[Jesse Christ 2,884]

I think we can get a first rounder for Warnock. 2nd rounder each for Bate and Dunn and a 3rd rounder for Maric. That's about 17, 34, 35, 46. We should then trade all of these to get say pick 1 or 2. Using those picks we could get John Patton.

I think all that meth's getting to your head.

[Dockett 32 1,237]

Dermie said on SEN today that Matt would walk into the Hawks backline.

And hopefully the Collingwood forwards can support this urgument tonight.