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Brayshaw has obviously upset somebody - off the cricket and now the footy show. Not good for your self esteem to be replaced by the moronic Hutchy. Even more reason not to watch it.

It's fffffff....fff....fffffffff.... not bad.

Should be good for team harmony . Must be modelling his career on Col Sylvia.

Must have been caught reading a book to get turfed out of the team. I am curious to know what he has done apart from being his usual obnoxious self.

we really need to get ollie wines out of that cess-pit before he's too damaged

I know a lot of people are really positive about them but i think that in a couple of years time they will be seen very differently, i don't think they have enough top end talent compared to the other young sides coming up and they are relying way to much on the older guys to hold things together. i can see them being a North Melbourne, consistent finals but not really getting close to a flag

I don't see you here in the queue.

I filmed Hogan at goal kicking practice about 10 days back. IPhone from about 30 metres so not that clear, but the run up was definitely smother. I got the impression that he had been working at it. Under actual game day stress he might revert to his old ways, however, I reckon he and a coach or two have had a crack at simplifying it

Gee it's nice to read that Hogan is home in WA and not have all the speculation on here about him returning home.

You can also speak for most Dees fans living inside of Victoria who for whatever reason can't make it down to training. Thanks also to the mods for getting rid of the nitpickers who used to derail these threads by picking arguments at the drop of a hat and generally playing the fool. Training threads are much more readable these days.

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Paul Amy of Leader Newspapers is reporting that highly rated exiting Dandenong Stingray Bailey Morrish training at Casey Scorpions after surprisingly being overlooked in the rookie draft.

At this point they should just bring back Ed and Trevor Marmalade for a farewell season and then just salvage the whole set (and/or its hosts) for glue.

What a shame as I really think barring injury that he could add value to the list .. It appears his issues run deeper than just concussion .. Nothing wrong with that as mental illness & I hope he's getting the right support

Oh no!!! Now we won't hear James say " Nicky Dal this Nicky Dal that " any more. Now I'm really upset !!!

Uhm civilised, you been to Port Adelaide?

Nope, the stutter has been there since day one, I watched with amazement (along with other players ) at his first training session when he lined up for a shot at goal, it is another myth on here that he hasn't got the distance, he has, as an avid training watcher he can kick them from anywhere. This is still a very young guy who has had issues both physical and mental,.he will be fine, I am amused that the only people who don't rate him are MFC supporters. He is going to be one part of a very good team going forward, if he kicks a consistent 40 or 50 goals that will do me, because hopefully we will have a few more doing the same thing, training drills are already showing me that this is what the plan is

Hogan's set shot routine will no doubt be something he refines over the preseason. I find it amusing that there are still punters who can't see it needs improving. He's young and kicked 40 odd goals the last two years, but his accuracy could undeniably improve in 2017 with a steady action that doesn't look like he's playing hopscotch. Not comparing their game, but if Gawn can aim to be the no 1 ruck in the comp and do it, then Hogan can refine his set shot and aim for avg 4 goals per game in 2017, and keep up his goal assist stats. Given his abundant talent and value to the team as a key forward I don't believe it unrealistic. I'm glad to hear from track watchers that his action looks much smoother this preseason. I'll be going to a few sessions over January and am eager to find out myself. Thanks for the reports.

Hes paying $26 for the Coleman https://www.williamhill.com.au/australian-rules/40508548/d/2017-afl-coleman-medal Juicy odds

It's a job, if you like the company you work for and manager and work mates then you are willing to put in the extra hours and go that extra mile. If your work mate are wankers and your boss is a tool then you only work your hours and jump on seek every afternoon look for another job.

I do find it amusing that on here Hogan has kicking issues, every forward goes through patches where they can't hit the side of a door, he will be entering his third season, fitter than ever and more experienced, we now have players who have the ability to hit him lace out, but personally don't think he will ever be the 'gorilla' in the goal square, but he will always kick his share of goals, I want a team where the goalkicking is spread around, so if he gets well held there are still other avenues to goal

Even Membrey kicked 44.........

Sorry chap, work for the club on the day, so will be there way way way before you

Why, he had the yips for a while, but still kicked 41 goals, and the service into him in some games was appalling, every player will try and improve on the last year

There are always other posters such as DeeSpencer who go the extra mile to describe the drills, not my forte, I provide a bit of colour, chats, photos etc Goodwin and Macca are encouraging the physicality, and rightly so, it helps that we are now the beneficiaries of the 3 years hard work Roos and Misson put into building bodies Jones and Oliver were smashing into each other on Wednesday with Macca shouting encouragement BenKen got cleaned up yesterday and then got Sam Frost with a beautiful hit The non preferred kicking is getting better each drill. The fact that they have the footy out all the time shows where the team is at fitness wise, touch wood we will have everybody ready to go first session after Xmas I followed half the squad to the tan yesterday and after 100 mins of footy training Misso had them repeat running up the hill near the Bowl, whilst the rest who stayed had Crossy to deal with The photos I put up on Instagram were trying to show some of the 'new' body shapes enjoy

The young Make A Wish supporter was befriended by Jack Viney late in the picture and was surrounded by cameramen, so expect to see some News reports this evening. Jack arm-wrestled the kid and then hauled him up on his shoulders. On Weiderman, yes he is still lightly built by AFL standards, but athleticism is excellent. He is busting a gut during training and will take another step in 2017, however, I don't expect him to play every game, 10 or 12 would be more likely. I saw Lewis get really down on himself for not hitting a leading target on his right foot. He immediately sent a sizzling pass with his left at the next opportunity. Watching Goody and Macca coaching together was encouraging, to say the least. Goodwin is very clear in communicating what he wants / expects from the group. Macca keeps working away at the finer detail... "arch your back and kick through the ball, Frosty, don't just caress it... Save that for Sunday nights!"

Got there closer to 10 and no Hogan and I didn't see Hannan, Maynard or Flippers. Rehab group as standard; Viney, T Mc, Pedda, JKH, Vanders, Trenners, Mitch King. Restricted group pulled out of the main drill for running and skills; Lewis, Oliver, DJ, T Smith, Keilty, Wagner I'm interested in how long Lewis is staying out of the main stuff. They seem to be really pumping the work in to him with the rehab group. Maybe management after years of finals footy, maybe a change of role to an outside player and they just want him fit. One for Saty. Oliver (who had been in the main group) and Lewis were running repeat sprints when the rest of the rehab group had finished up, with Oliver a slightly lesser distance. Working hard. DJ impresses me. Kicks low and hard. Leaps for marks and takes it out in front. Reminds me a bit of Jamie Elliott from the Pies. Keilty has some spring to his movement and a neat kick. Smith isn't overly tall (obviously can play above his height) but does move well enough and can kick on both sides. There was a drill where the 6 in the restricted group paired up and took a few reps before swapping over of leading out from the square whilst the other gathered a loose ball and kicked to the lead. It was really nice to see mostly well placed and penetrating kicks hitting leading targets. No pressure but still good to see. Tyson hopped off at one stage but it appeared it was just to get what I assume are blisters tended to and then he was back in. Seems a very common ailment with others doing the same. The main group went from multiple series of in tight drills to full ground team ball movement. Ben Kennedy slid in with a perfect bump above knees to skittle Frostly who jumped back up and kept competing. Was very willing. I'm often critical of him but Spencer was starting to resemble an AFL footballer today. I'd say after a long build he's now got the right AFL body that resembles Gawny. Plenty of strength without looking heavy and appears balanced. He was presenting for the ball and moving it on nicely in the main drill. Doesn't always come off but Watts receives the ball in drills looking towards the corridor, when so many others focus first on going wide. In the main drill McKenna doesn't panic and backs himself to kick on both sides. Joel Smith impressed with his leap for aerial contests and a perfectly timed sprint up the middle to intercept an attack. Hibberd is powerful and calm but also one of the first to have hands on hips and sucking in the big ones. To be a big negative: Jeffy Garlett was getting out in space and running with the ball but a lot of kicks keep bouncing in front of the intended target, in match simulation and smaller drills. It's just laziness that needs to stop. ANB has a habit of just rushing to give or receive the footy, he induces fumbles, just needs more timing, he was better as it went on. Petracca is a little but unsure when in the back half. He wants to move everything on. Watts kicked to him at half forward and the ball was touched and then play on. Tracc did his best to avoid tackles but about 3 of them got him down and piled on him! There was plenty to like and it was a high intensity fast paced session for December.

Jack Watts is really our second tall

Surely Max is one of the big stories of 2016 for the Melbourne Football Club? With his knee reconstructions and other injuries, it took him a long time to become an overnight sensation but that's exactly what he became in 2016. Of course, I could be biased because I happen to be one of his sponsors and have been from the very get go after he was drafted. I even went out to Casey Fields to watch him play in his first game on comeback from his first ACL sustained in a TAC Cup game in 2009. Here's my picture as proof:- He's come a long way since then culminating in selection as 2016 All Australian ruckman and becoming a very popular and polished media personality to boot. Not many people know about his coaching prowess but I can tell you that whilst recovering from injury, Max took up coaching and during 2014 and 2015 he co-coached Ormond's Under 16 and 17s where he had under his wing a young convert from basketball in Lachlan Filipovic who moved on to the Sandy Dragons this year and was drafted as a rookie to Melbourne last Monday. Max also did some ruck coaching with him whilst at the Dragons. I also have a little anecdote about Max's coaching. As his sponsor, I invited him to a training session at my grandson's Under 12 team on the eve of the finals. The coaches were a bit wary at first thinking an AFL player might be a bit of a distraction on the eve of their first finals game but they were gobsmacked when he took over the training drills and ran them like a professional. He had the team and members of some of the other teams training that night, eating out of his hands. The boys won their final easily and needless to say, our ruckmen dominated (unfortunately, the lost narrowly in the grannie). Anyway you look at it, Max is a real gem and one of our big stories for 2016.

Must have been a bit tired and emotional... Port Adelaide AFL player linked with hit run luxury vehicle smash

I would expect that the entire playing list (well, all bar one) will be out there at Gosch's Paddock at 9.30am for the first official training session of the summer. Conditions should be perfect for training with clouds early but clearing to a 21 degree maximum. I wish I could make it out there but at that time, unfortunately and in the words of A B Paterson: "I am sitting in my dingy little office, where a stingy Ray of sunlight struggles feebly down between the houses tall ..." Looking forward to reports from those who can make it out there.

The guy's ego is off the charts. Glad it's been taken down a peg or two.

Goat photos for sure.

He may be burdening our list for a while yet https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=19&ved=0ahUKEwiYyYK9h9rQAhUKabwKHeWDD0AQFghZMBI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fmagazine-34198390&usg=AFQjCNFqs8Ud_lN9USaHYg-PZsUiAez-eA&sig2=ScuCcKovhH8KYeRDOod2dQ

Oooohhh eerrrr....there's a euphemism I haven't heard before....

Indeed; you are quite correct.

Given time and further development Jesse will become the classic tall forward, able to play anywhere from the goal square to the midfield. His talents as a ball winner and game maker anywhere on the ground are so sublime that kicking goals from goal square marking contest, where he is consistently double and triple teamed so as to limit his influence, will be only a small part of his value to the team. As for his goal kicking, chill. Everyone has their own routine and so long as he is balanced and in control of the ball drop and timing, he will be fine. Think of the stuttering run as a prelude to the real business - kicking the ball. 80+ goals as a key forward in his first 2 years will do me anytime. There are plenty of players whose kicking style is purity and poetry but they can't win enough of the ball. I know which one I would prefer. As always, Saty has it right. Spread the goal kicking for best results.

Think you need to move to Romsey manor Biff. I hear BBO has a gimp room that needs occupying. The only traffic there is the illegal kind, of which you may already know

Hogan needs to practice the fluidity of his stutter. He looked at his worse when distracted by it, and what he 'should' be doing. Never seemed to have a problem with accuracy (VFL - early AFL) when left to do what came naturally. Not sure if it impacts his penetration though. That's a different story - but a lack of confidence in his distance kicking ability may be where the stutter came from in the first place.

It isn't easy to hit the side of a door, it is much easier to hit the side of a barn, which of course some players can't either.

Your KPI for him is for goals kicked, he is on par with Jack Riewoldt's first couple of years, and Jack is regarded as having a sweet kicking style, from what I have been 'hearing' and with his new aerobic fitness, can see him playing further up the ground anyway, and rotating through the middle, so goals for me are not that important, I want a spread of kickers across the whole 22 This as well, agree

Essentially he dropped from 62% in '15 (which was better than Watts that year) to 49% this year, only marginally better than Daniher. However stats only paint half the picture. His head space was visibly affected for most of the year, be it contract issues or normal second year blues. He dropped his bundle in a few games and missed some serious sodas but in my opinion to his credit he attempted to influence the game by aiming for goal assists in those same games once he realised his eye was out. He is a serious confidence player, uses a lot of passion out there which will make him a weapon in big games. In the mean time the coaching staff need to work with what we have and develop his mental maturity to get him to that Nick Riewoldt level where he never believes he is beaten and can ignite into a game after 3 poor quarters to still turn a game.

He has already kicked a bag of 7 with his hopscotch approach, I haven't noticed much difference in his kicking action although they haven't been doing a lot of goalkicking practice per se, he has probably had about 5 or 6 set shots during the drills. They tried to alter the kicking action in his first pre season, but he reverted back to his own method in games, will be interesting to see post Xmas as to whether he has worked on it

Unfortunately for the world, understanding is not a prerequisite for breeding.

with all those German dialects its a wonder your family ever understood one another much less bred.

I'm confused about this pick. Can someone explain to me if we will have to give up pick 18 to Freo when Fyfe nominates us or do we get him for free and then just draft the best tall?

Yours too BBO. The relocation to Romsey was under close consideration for some time but the President discovered he had an allergy to llamas and the move was shelved.

I remember him playing against my son in Under 14 Basketball So small but lots of skill didnt see him again close up until at his peak with Bulldogs Still amazed how slight he was His Father and Uncle kept Albury Tigers alive during their darkest Period

Tim Smith could be a real smokey this year, super competitive, very good one on one and in the air, and a reliable kick to boot!

T Smith is quicker than I expected, looks very fit and keen to establish himself