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What an exclusive I can break to you all on demonland. Andrew Demetriou's email addressing all things tanking to Adrian Anderson. Major news. Here we go: Yo Adrian, How's it going? Things are pretty sweet up here at the Olympics in London. I went to the badminton last night - awesome. Got some autographs at the basketball. But I could go on and on about the awesome time I'm having. I hear there have been some dramas around tanking in the last couple of days. Boy, thought we'd heard the last of this one. Oh well, I wrote this letter during the men's 100m freestyle final, so if you could put this out as a press release that'd be just great. Just edit where necessary. Try to make me look funny. "Dear media members, AFL fans and employees who are back home enjoying our great game while I conduct important business in London. It is with great sadness that I must inform you that the AFL has today decided to administer some penalties in light of public comments made recently by Northern Bullants player Rock McLean. As a consequence, we have decided to harshly penalise the Melbourne Football Club for their flagrant tanking in, well, pretty much any game between 2007 and 2012. But more on that later. Sadly, while strenuously digging around for evidence of Melbourne's foul play, we have discovered that they were not alone. It is with a heavy heart that the AFL hands down the following penalties to various clubs for breaches of the newly created Tanking Act: Carlton: The Blues appear to have been the trailblazer for Melbourne's rorting. You can't tell me the Cruiser (look, I can't spell his name - you don't think having to deal with the pronunciation of bloody R Nahas on Brownlw night is enough?) Cup wasn't a little fishy. I seem to remember T Johnstone having something like 67 possessions and 6 Brownlow votes on the night. Total debacle. Where was Fev? No, not literally - I couldn't care less what he was doing at Crown that night - why was he dropped for the last 9 games? As a penalty, Carlton will be forced to swap their #1 pick from 2007, the aforementioned Cruiser, with Melbourne's #4 pick, Cale Morton. My apologies to Cruiser and his family. Collingwood: It's very sad (but hilarious when considering what Eddie's reaction will be) to acknowledge, but Collingwood have been found guilty of some shenanigans of their own. Hmm, losing the last 9 games of 2005 while stuck on 5 wins eh? Didn't think we'd pick up on that one, did you? And just two years removed from back to back grand final chokes no less. Collecting Thomas at 2 and Pendlebury at 5 was a hefty return. Given that Pendlebury won the 2010 Norm Smith, and no one was fooled by calling him Embleberry up there on the stage, we've decided to strip the Pies of the 2010 premiership. (Adrian, let me know when it's safe to come home. PS. Don't read that last bit out.) Hawthorn: Like Collingwood, the Hawks will have to surrender their most recent premiership triumph. Such was their willingness to send players off for season-ending operations in 2004 in great number, numerous children missed out on hospital beds for life-saving operations. Please note, steel reinforcement has been added to the walls of the MCG coaches boxes. West Coast: See the last two. 2006 premiership cup: gone. Blatant malarkey required to get into position to draft Chris Judd, let alone NicNat. Couldn't get em for 'recreational reasons' in 2006, nailed em here. Adelaide: the Crows will be forfeiting the 1997 premiership. Before half of SA chokes on a Farmers Union iced coffee, squealing about not doing anything wrong, ask yourselves - how many times has Shane Ellen played in the forwardline before or since the '97 Grand Final? Positional experimentation is for after hours, not grand finals, thank you very much. St. Kilda and the Bulldogs: One premiership each? Really? Nice try. You now have zero each. Richmond: like the last two, you are an embarrassment to the competition, and not just for introducing the roar-o-meter to the AFL. Two finals appearances since 1982, and this in an era when we've rigged it so half the teams make the finals. We punish Richmond and its supporters by allowing the club to continue as is. Brisbane: You weren't fooling anyone with the 'we only want 8 Fitzroy players' shtick. What, couldn't find a spot for Jason Ramsey or Brent Frewen? Could have been a five-peat (we would have bankrolled it too). You lose the 2001 premiership. Well, no, we need the game in Queensland. Just change your logo, would you? It makes me hungry. Essendon: since 2008, only Richmond and Essendon have disgraced the stae of Victoria by losing to Melbourne. You want to debate that Michael Hurley s better than Jack Watts? Fine, he's a Melbourne player now. Fremantle: LOL! All the advantages afforded to an interstate club in an AFL-mad city and you've made the finals thrice? For being the perennial skidmarks on the AFL's underpants for 18 years and without any accomplishments to remove the Dockers must revert to their original clown suit uniform. Port Adelaide: playing the kids eh? Hmm, Chad Cornes and Dean Brogan excelling at GWS - clearly flogging players off before their use by date. AFL license is hereby revoked. (Adrian: phew, that was easy - I've been wanting to do that for a while). Geelong: one of the more I sickening cases of tanking I've seen. The corruption not only of the sport, but of the female womb. How long did it take to establish this "father-son academy"? How many women tanked themselves out of regular relationships to take part in this production line of prodigies? All three premierships from the modern era are hereby removed. Sydney: (just leave this bit out, Adrian. No one will count the teams anyway). And so we come to Melbourne. This hotbed of treachery and tanking is met with the swift hand of the law. All premiership points for 2012 to be stripped, and their #1 pick from 2009 taken away. They will however be given an additional priority pick at the start of the first round in consequence of their third wooden spoon in five years. We hope this is a warning to all teams, not just Melbourne, of the seriousness of tanking. Yours sincerely, Sir Andrew Demetriou (just watched the equestrian with the Queen - think I talked her into it)" Thanks Adrian -AD

I agree - on another note watching this game reminds me how good footy can be. After watching our games week after week I forget what great footy looks like.

I've read "Longsufferings" and other posts that insinuate conspiracy theories. Am I the only one that is just taking these circumstances on face value ? McLean kicks the winning goal for Carlton in a highly publicized game and gets invited onto OTC. Naturally his time at Melbourne is discussed, as well as his decision to leave - he was a top 5 draft pick afterall - and then he clumsily drops Melbourne in it. I think people are reading far too much into the circumstances.

The AFL have a catch all law call "bringing the game into disrepute". They can use that in what ever way they wish. But to answer the thread Title. Buy a membership in 2013 like I have done for most of the last 50 years. And spend next summer praying 10 of our ordinary recruits over the last 5 years turn into Brownlow medalists.

What a stupid thing to say. Clint Bartram is about to undergo a major operation to not just save his footy career, but give him a better quality of life. He is a great guy, who has been through a lot in his personal life, and gives his heart and soul to our club every single time he runs out on the field. Why even bring up his average kicking? FFS! Give me Bartram over Sylvia any day of the week.

lol Oh can we? Can we win 40% of games? Oh heavens! That will make us 11th... FMD. Don't care about having a pissing contest with those for and those against the Gardner board. That is a yawnfest about the past. Don't care. Only care about the present and future of the MFC and Gardner did not help when he gave quotes to the Sun and he did not help when he talked to SEN. We thank him for his service, and respectfully ask that he shut up.

The reality of all this "tanking" talk is simply that unless a coach admits that he directed players to lose a game, or a player admits that he was directed to play poorly by a club official, there is no evidence of "tanking". That of itself would have to lead to that coach and maybe the player being banned for life. No one to date has reached that level. The best we have is suspicion, at unusual coaching selections or moves. That is so far from proving "tanking" as to be laughable. Unusual coaching selections and moves have been part of football since it started, especially involving teams that are out of the finals race. Sheedy even dropped the whole forward line two weeks ago and brought in a bunch of first gamers. Was he trying to win or develop his list? Freo dropped 12 players against the Hawks in Tassie when they were due to play them again the next week in a final in Perth. For the final the 12 came back in and they won. Did freo therefore tank that last game? How many clubs and games would need to be thoroughly examined if there is action taken against the Dees? I just hope no Dees officials are interviewed because that means it never even got to first base. Would this be the question asked of McLean by the AFL-" did any MFC official tell you to play below your best". Did you hear any MFC official ask that of any other player? If the answers are "no", how can it go further if the best answer that can be given is " I thought some of our moves were strange".

Could be a role in Badminton?????

I actually agree with this. It would have been preferable that he not buy into this even if he was at pains to point out "as a supporter" not in any official capacity at the time in question or since. But this does not justify the revisionist history of his period as Chairman or the vilification of a man who made our club better than it was at his cost and without consideration of personal reward.

You could help with another re build.

I haven't been on this thread yet, but I see that on page 23 it is at the point it should be: It is impossible to prove because developing players is a perfectly acceptable reason. The AFL has already said this so Brock saying the same thing makes no difference at all. That said, the reputations of a few people (Brock and Paul Gardner) have been significantly tainted through this matter.

We Win = Scarf flaps outside car window down the Tulla on the way home, i log into Demonland, read the reviews and the forums, watch post match interviews and press on DeeTV, watch the replay during the week, read Superfooty and Realfooty then keep logging into Demonland throughout the week. We Lose = All of the above except the scarf.

IRRELEVANT by Clyde The (former) Clifton Hill Cabbie I don't know if anybody out there remembers me. In my time as one of this great city's leading cab drivers I was well known by all and sundry who used my services to convey them around town for my opinions on politics, religion, sport and a variety of other subjects. I always believed I had a deep knowledge and understanding about our nation's number one sport until one day, this young bloke turned his attention away from his iphone, sat up in the back seat of my taxi cab, angrily snubbed his nose up against the perspex window that divided us and told me to STFU. To him, my opinions on the football were "irrelevant". How dare he? I was a keen student of the game and I got a lot of my inside information from listening to talk back radio and reading the sports pages of the little newspaper which was full of stories written by people who had contacts inside the various league clubs. Surely, the sources of my information were impeccable? Later, after thinking about it a little more, I realised that time was indeed passing me by in this new world of digital electronics and whiz bang gadgets. Perhaps, I was becoming irrelevant? I'm in retirement now. I live in this nice nursing home and although I occasionally get to watch a game on TV, I usually manage to fall asleep even before the result's done and dusted (which these days means by half time). I hardly ever get to read the newspapers because the print's too small and the eyesight's failing and most of the people here knit or play lawn bowls so I don't really know much about what's going on in the AFL any more. I suppose that's what makes me feel even less relevant than ever before. However, I always look forward to that once a year day when one of the good people at Demonland visits me and asks me to write a preview of a Melbourne game for the site. This year's visitor was my old friend The Oracle but he delivered what I regarded at first as the supreme insult when he asked if I would write about the Demons' forthcoming encounter with the Gold Coast Suns. I thought for a while and asked, "who in blazes are the Gold Coast Suns?". He replied that they were one of the new franchises that joined the competition last year. "You mean like Hungry Jacks or Dominoes Pizza?" "No, they're an AFL team that plays at Carrara. Gary Ablett Junior's their captain." "Ablett? Well, that's okay then. Brock'll fix him up." Brock was one of my favourites. The Oracle's next revelation hit me right between the eyes. He told of Brock's defection from Melbourne at the end of 2009 because of a problem he had with the club's "experimentation" that went against the grain of everything he'd ever been taught. So he decided to leave and head to a club whose traditions were seeped in integrity and honesty. I was incredulous as The Oracle explained the events of the week in great detail. There was one thing that puzzled me but no sooner had the words leapt out of my mouth that I realised that my question was totally irrelevant. "You would think with three experienced journalists and commentators doing the interview, one of them would have asked him why a man who held such lofty principles could have possibly gone straight to a club whose reputation not only for tanking but for generally rorting the system was legendary?" It was at this point that all those years of spouting conspiracy theories gripped me and in a moment of inspiration, I understood what this was all about and it had very little to do with the practice of tanking. The whole thing was a set up. The puppeteers were pulling the strings to perfection. The kid who not long ago publicly claimed he contracted aids from somebody's mother had left what passed for his brain in the studio's green room. They knew from the start that he would take the bait and it played itself out perfectly for them. The agenda and the people behind it soon became apparent. As I put this proposition to my visitor, I suddenly felt that I was becoming relevant again. He was almost out of the door when I noticed he had left me with several copies of the sporting sections of the week's newspapers to help with the research for my story. All that was left for me to do was to wade through the rubbish and sift through half a dozen beat ups and testimonies from former players and officials and then I could write my match preview. That was the easy part. The clash between 16th and 17th is a game in which every aspect of team selection and every move that the coaches make is likely to come under scrutiny for all the wrong reasons by suspicious journalists and others struggling to make a sensational story out of nothing. But the game itself is totally irrelevant. THE GAME Melbourne v Gold Coast at the MCG Sunday 5 August 2011 at 1.10pm. HEAD TO HEAD Overall Melbourne 2 wins Gold Coast 0 wins MCG Melbourne 1 win Gold Coast 0 wins Since 2000 Melbourne 2 wins Gold Coast 0 wins The Coaches Neeld 0 wins McKenna 0 wins MEDIA TV – Fox Footy Channel at 1:00pm (live) Radio –SEN ABC774 THE LAST TIME THEY MET Melbourne 17.10.112 defeated Gold Coast Suns 12.10.82 in round 23, 2011 at the MCG. Oh my god. This was a game so tedious and boring that I was driven to the bar not long after the start of the second quarter. By the time I returned to watch the action fortified by an unknown volume of the amber liquid Melbourne was on its way to a five goal victory. THE BETTING Melbourne $1.33 to win Gold Coast $3.40 to win THE TEAMS MELBOURNE Backs Joel Macdonald James Sellar Tom McDonald Half backs Jack Grimes James Frawley Colin Garland Centreline Jordie McKenzie Jack Trengove Rohan Bail Half forwards Sam Blease Jared Rivers Lynden Dunn Forwards Jeremy Howe Colin Sylvia Brad Green Followers Jake Spencer Brent Moloney Nathan Jones Interchange Jordan Gysberts Cale Morton James Strauss Luke Tapscott Emergencies Jack Fitzpatrick James Magner Josh Tynan In Jordan Gysberts Cale Morton Luke Tapscott Out Neville Jetta (suspension) Daniel Nicholson (jaw) Stef Martin (foot) GOLD COAST SUNS Backs Taylor Hine Charlie Dixon Trent McKenzie Half backs Daniel Stanley Matthew Warnock Jarrod Harbrow Centreline David Swallow Gary Ablett Michael Rischitelli Half forwards Jared Brennan Tom Lynch Brandon Matera Forwards Luke Russell Sam Day Campbell Brown Followers Zac Smith Karmichael Hunt Harley Bennell Interchange Josh Caddy Liam Patrick Dion Prestia Matt Shaw Emergencies Aaron Hall Steven May Maverick Weller In Sam Day Michael Rischitelli Out Steven May Maverick Weller There must be a clever linguist out there somewhere who is capable of coming up with a word that means the opposite to "blockbuster", because such a word word be perfect to describe this game. Until recently, I would have regarded a Melbourne home game against the Gold Coast Suns as unlosable but I'm not so sure any more. With the club under attack in the media and the tanking debate swirling around it, I'm not all that certain about how the players will react to what I can only consider to be the destabilising atmosphere that has surrounded them throughout the week. After all, it's not often that you have a situation where a former player and former president are out there publicly whacking your club across the head and the media heavies are baying for your blood on a daily basis. It also doesn't help if, on top of these worries, you have a substantial injury list that severely restricts your capacity to pick a team that can win games. On my reckoning, no more than 30 players from the combined Melbourne senior and rookie list of 46 will be in action at the weekend. By way of contrast, North Melbourne will have close to its full list playing in three teams (the Roos are aligned to two VFL clubs and had 12 players representing Werribee alone in the final of the Foxtel Cup on Thursday night). Nevertheless, there are many commentators, either oblivious to thus situation or simply chosing to ignore it, who are maintaining that the Demons will come under more tanking scrutiny if they lose this match. Go figure? Being from the old school, I like to analyse games line by line and, pardon the pun, but I've come up with a result that is going to be very much a line ball. A great deal has been made of Melbourne's much maligned midfield but paradoxically, this is likely to be where the Dees can draw great strength. They might not have the sheer brilliance of Gary Ablett Junior or the youth, pace and ability to spread of their Gold Coast counterparts but they do have size, strength, experience and home ground advantage going for them. Nathan Jones has been a revelation all year and should not be underrated even in the company of the AFL's best player. He proved that last week with his 32 disposals 10 clearances playing to a losing ruck. His partner in crime, Brent Moloney was not far behind him in the disposal count with 29 on return from a brief stint in the VFL. Let there be no doubt, Beamer is playing for his football life along with one or two others like Cale Morton and Jordan Gysberts who are back in the side this week. Jordie McKenzie will probably have the toughest task of the lot after a down week against the Roos but he's taken some scalps this year and, as a kid from down Geelong way, he should rise to the challenge of taking on the former local hero. So this game might well be the antithesis of a blockbuster but I think it will be close and that the Demons will rise to the occasion, put their critics in their rightful place and make themselves relevant once again. Melbourne by 2 points.

Godwin Grech has the e-mail.

I wonder if Brock will tip in another $10 large?

Paul Roos is disgusted because his team got flogged by a record margin by Melbourne when he was still coaching.

I can just about see Healy and Sheahan pi$$ing themselves while reading this thread. Muckraking of the highest order is what they were doing. Shaking the trees to see if they can get a coconut to fall, and it did courtesy of Brock. They have managed to build some meaning into an otherwise meaningless game by 2 teams that wouldn't win at VFL level. Cannot believed how people here get sucked in hooked line and sinker to what headline chasing hacks create, to think that sky is falling. If we win we are still crap if lose we are still crap, nothing to really gain or lose out of this weekends game - except for maybe another season ending injury to one of our better players. Neeld will still be coach, we will still take young Viney with our first or second round pick, the boys (that are left after the cull!!!!) will still endure the hardest gut wrenching preseason that they have ever done, our Olympic team will still suck as well for that matter - so much for the Olympics to be a way of watching some wins this year!

I just can't see how the AFL can take action against us based on the hearsay of one ex-player. They would then have to look at Carlton based on the previous statements by Fev & Libba. Am I right in saying that Terry Wallace has also been heard to admitting similar actions? And they would surely have to take action against Sydney for Roos' actions in the NAB cup. It's a big can of worms. The right thing to do is remove the cause, not punish clubs for using a flawed system to try to improve.

Any "moves" will only be predicated by evidence, as opposed to suspicions. I find the likelihood that they'll uncover evidence to be remote.

Do you ever do any of your own research? Or do you expect others to spoon feed you?

This is where it is ludicrous and naivety of the highest order- you can be at as much pain to point out you are only a supporter and have no official capacity but the reason for him being interviewed is because he was MFC President.That part of your life doesnt wash away just because you are no longer in office. Every time another underworld figure gets bumped off Chopper Reid is not interviewed because he is an interested onlooker - he is interviewed because he was a criminal.

The fat one is your friend here. He has a narrow view of tanking that perhaps we all should have - the positional moves against the Tigers actually worked. Petterd got some clearances, Johnson got some kicks in the backline, and Warnock was...tall in the forwardline. So we are to be punished because of perceived motives rather than what actually happened? As you said we won the game before we lost it. How do you then prove we didn't want to win? You can't. That is why AD, or The Fat One, takes a narrow 'players trying to lose' approach to tanking and why nothing will happen. We will still have 3, 4, 13, and 27 when the draft rolls around.

You are correct, Paul and his Board like all our Boards tried to do their best and he and his Board did a lot of good for the MFC. That should never be forgotten. Having said that, Wednesday was not his finest day.

I think you meant to sign off ... Thanks, Paul.

yep i personally love clint, cannot question his commitment, and his disposal issues are overstated

Return home from the alternate universe.

Why would we be penalised? We haven't done anything wrong.

Come off it, honestly. This whole best game in the world business is so single minded, and you may say "well that's just my opinion" but so many people count it as fact. It's like Americans saying that the MLB finals are the "World Series" and then the USA team get pumped by Columbia or something. I'm really frustrated by this whole mentality of they've done a good job. To make money? yes, but at the expense of the integrity of the game. There are countless issues within the AFL that are so corrupt and contrived it has really affected the pubic perception of the game, or well at least for me and people i talk to about it. The whole game is controlled by the media and a small group of loud fans with a knee jerk reaction to one off relatively small events. Just because Mark robinson writes an article saying he doesn't like sling tackles doesn't mean you change the rules. I love this whole, "well they are making money hand over fist and clubs are now secure" argument. They're financially secure because they robbing you.

We cannot (, and neither can any of the other tenants), train at the MCG, due to ground damage. As Old Dee said we have up to 3 games on the ground over 3 days. The surface cannot take another 3 days or so of football boots running over it. If you go on an MCG tour you will see batteries of lights spread out over the ground during the week to keep the grass alive, so that it can cope with the current stresses. In the finals some teams have been able to train on the ground. But only because there has not been the pressure from games played there in the previous week, or adverse weather conditions.

He forgot: * The amount of journalists reporting on AFL far outweighs those reporting on Australian politics. More quantity = less quality. * The journalists ready & willing to insert themselves into the headlines by editorializing news stories. * Journalists making news stories based on what they or other journalists say. * Journalists blatantly taking [censored] out of context. * Journalists reporting on the gossip of the game & not what happens on the field. Caro being AFL-drip fed the North to the Gold Coast story in 07 & then her blatant anti-Brayshaw agenda since is a fine illustration of this. * The amount of bias being inserted into the AFL commentariat - I don't even know who you are Andy Maher so I couldn't care less that you're a passionate Blue. Whatever happened to impartiality? I could go on, but it seems that Ro-Ro (hes a Bombers fan don't ya know?) has missed giving the AFL a whack for handing out so many media passes to nuffies who have NFI.

Josh toy, good by foot, and disposal is what we need a major improvement of, and as he has fell out of favor at gold coast he isn't getting much of a run, but what I've seen of him he is a star in the making, one of their 17 year old picks!

Couln't believe they did that. Especially considering that the only pic they have of a St.Kilda player holding up the premiership cup is of Baldock who's wearing a Collingwood jumper. I wouldn't have been happy at all if it was us.

Gysberts! Wait, I still don't care about this game. Never mind, carry on.

I hate IMO... We know it's your damn opinion you wrote it!!

Issue a fatwa against the fat one.

Chill pill, kiddies. Gardner left the Club waaaay better than he found it. Debt,world class facilities(AAMI), membership, governance, Casey, FD personnel and resources, MCC relationship, inclusivity of women etc. His greatest failing was his propensity to take on Vlad and the Kremlin which hurt us (ironic given that many in his lynch mob also demand we take on city hall now). The Stynes/McLardy board has made further progress as Gardner alluded to and praised in the SEN interview that few seem to have actually heard. But the great achievement on his watch was unity and credible football/win- loss/finals appearances. The great fraud of the current administration is it's claim to have unified (they have not) a disunited (it was not) Club. The bitter divisions of 2011 are unprecedented since 1965. The raw wounds of this disunity are at the heart of the despondency we all feel and our dysfunctionality as a footy club. Who wouldn't exchange the Gardner 2004-June 2008 40% plus winning record with the 20% winning performance of the last 4 years of weekend misery for which Stynes/McLardy/Schwab/Connolly are responsible? Thanks Paul.

ace post - I reckon the journos actually harm the game with their nit picking, they make everyone feel the need to be beige, will never see another Whaco Jacko

notsureifserious

Paul Gardner is clearly a self serving [censored] of the highest order. I look forward to seeing him at the football........next year

At least with Brock you can understand - he's a none-to-bright footballer who was baited by a pair of parasites. I'm still reeling at Gardner's decision to stick his beak in with a bunch of crap that doesn't even stack up. Frustrating.

I'd be more interested in what the case was for the prosecution. What is the grounds of the offence? How do you define issue and prove it? Nothing to defend your honour. Rubbish. They cant do that because the things that you alleging brought the game into disrepute did not happen according to the AFL. Wrong wrong wrong. It will be his word as a bitter ex employee against someone else's word. He did not say anything. Bailey is far too smart for that. Apparently Bailey is very happy at Adelaide with a good club, Why would he jeopardise his career? Think Matt Rendell. Bailey would have the most to lose from doing it and nothing to achieve.

Be VERY VERY careful what you wish for.

That's right. The only difference is that Freo's strategic decision is a shorter term one rather than the longer term strategic one Melbourne (and others) took. There is no inherent difference in the two approaches. Both are done to gain a competitive edge with the greater goal of winning the flag. Ergo, 'tanking' only exists as an arbitrary and ultimately meaningless label.

If found guilty of tanking MFC should be stripped of all premiership points for 2012 and all premierships for past 47 years.

"I think we've underestimated the amount of pain" oh really ?Does the term hubris mean anything to you clowns?No ? I thought not. How about ivory tower? Still confused? geezuz you guys are really dumb arnt you? Its just a game and if you didnt grow up with it the chances are it wont become the favourite,must watch, game in your life. Ever wondered why the Irish amateurs can beat the Aussie pros?...........because its just a game, not the market leader in sporting endeavour. ps Demetrious salary doesnt mean the game is special either.

I get your anger regarding the situation Pipefitter, but you can't side with Mclean on this. He went to play for the team that wrote the handbook on tanking.

If Brock had a moral problem with it why did he join known tankers Carlton? What a load of rot.

If we opt to roll over and take it and not do what we should - which is kick up the mother of all stinks and try to drag everyone else into the mire - then we'll have to storm the MFC offices and drag Schwab and McLardy out ourselves. There wil be no other option for us if the AFL go us.