5 minutes ago, Deez21 said:

Does anyone at the club actually know what our strategy is?

rebuild or find all the discards and outcasts from the around the league?

You tell us man you have the goss

43 minutes ago, KoltTheRam said:

If it ends up being the pick from the Oliver trade then I like that deal. A good leader, experienced and a good person, who still has some decent footy left in him.

Yeah, depending on the price I've slightly come around to this. Although, I'm not sure he really improves us on-field so you're effectively bringing him in for 'character' reasons.

We need experienced mids with Oliver and Trac likely out, so Steele would be a good pick up while our younger brigade develop over the coming years. Yes, he's a touch slower these days... but if Viney gets injured our midfield looks even more thin. We need him there for his leadership and depth and not to mention he's quite a handy player.

Edited October 15Oct 15 by Where Demons Dare

2 minutes ago, Axis of Bob said:

Because we're not going to win or lose a flag due to the play of Jack Steele, just as we didn't win a flag due to the play of Daniel Cross. We did, however, win a flag with the players on the team that played with Daniel Cross, just as we hope to do the same with the players that play with Jack Steele.

Those players will be better for being in a team and club with Jack Steele.

We needed Cross because we were completely bereft of senior fit bodies and leaders in the Neeld years, it was Jones and nothing else.

We have Max, Viney, Pickett, Rivers, Sparrow, Culley as well as the 4 young guys ready to play. Maybe we even give Bill Laurie a run and see what happens.

Plenty of experience down back especially with CJ added. Mihocek to help Melk, Fritsch, Chandler forward.

I’d rather roll the dice on a Fin Macrae, Henry Hustwaite, Tomson Dow if we want a mature body to shield the kids.

Steele’s never captained a side to any kind of success and the Saints haven’t exactly been a great culture.

47 minutes ago, KoltTheRam said:

If it ends up being the pick from the Oliver trade then I like that deal. A good leader, experienced and a good person, who still has some decent footy left in him.

Even that’s too much. It’s fringe player wages and pick 100. St Kilda have told Steele to pack up his locker. Every dollar we save them on his contract is doing them a big favour.

32 minutes ago, deeguy21 said:

This makes sense with Clarry & Trac on there way would fill a void that now exists on our list

Exactly.

Hard body contested ball winner, with great character.

Meh

Don't think we need to go as high as a third rounder.

The sooner we see the back of Lamb and Richardson, the better.

Probably goes top three in our B and F if he stays fit and plays mid.

Sadly.

Releasing two inflexible slow, mids for another

Pass

Statistically he plummeted this year. He went from his career high point in 2021 with 29 touches per game and 26 Brownlow votes to just 20 touches and 2 votes this year.

I still wouldn’t mind him. Veterans can have a career renaissance at a new club. For example Luke Parker was more than serviceable for North this year.

I'm not really sure how we're better off if we use the Oliver pick for Steele and pay a decent chunk of both their wages (presumably we're still up for $1M plus between the two).

Aren't we just shuffling the deck chairs again?

I think I'd prefer to see what the new coach could do with Oliver, or keep a list spot open until February for a train on player, rather than bringing in Steele for a couple of years.

May For Steele, straight swap done. Where to I apply for list manager?

Clarrie admitted mid year he felt the game had gone past him. (He was trying to get it back obvi) If JS was being honest hed feel exactly the same way i reckon.

This year 3 out of the top 4 contested teams didnt make the finals. (We were 3rd)

3 out of the top 5 clearance teams didnt make finals (we were 14th with pies hawls and gws for company)

Games are won by scoring from turnovers and marks inside 50. Making the most of your oppoortunies with fast transition, correct decision and execution.

A huge no unless he is being given away or the year is 2018.

11 minutes ago, Davos said:

The sooner we see the back of Lamb and Richardson, the better.

Lamb needs to go on the rack, um hold on "Rack of Lamb" is my favourite dish!

My inkling is that we are giving our picks in the middle rounds back to GC and we don’t want to pick in the 60s and beyond too much because you have a 2 year commitment. Thats how your list becomes trash - too many flyers on speculative talents adds up if they keep missing.

Getting a Steele for that pick makes that easier to manage. Even if it is for a year or two. No need to develop, no need to give a 3rd or a 4th year ‘to see if they are anything’ and you can concentrate on your more bona fide talents.

8 minutes ago, rpfc said:

My inkling is that we are giving our picks in the middle rounds back to GC and we don’t want to pick in the 60s and beyond too much because you have a 2 year commitment. Thats how your list becomes trash - too many flyers on speculative talents adds up if they keep missing.

Getting a Steele for that pick makes that easier to manage. Even if it is for a year or two. No need to develop, no need to give a 3rd or a 4th year ‘to see if they are anything’ and you can concentrate on your more bona fide talents.

Steele has a 2 year deal so we don’t get that flexibility for one year.

Campbell, Melk, Laurie, May, McDonald, McAdam some of AMW, AJ, one of the young key forwards. Can already do next years delistings so list spaces aren’t a problem.

Picks 7 and 8 are usually ready for the afl system. Not guys who need a lot of handholding to adapt to the basics. And our plan for the late list spots might be White and Sinnema who have spent time at the club and in academies.

Mentha is the only real baby on the list as it is. He and Luker the only guys who haven’t played a game. I don’t think we should be worried about having too many developmental players on the list.

49 minutes ago, Ted Lasso said:

THIS is the point being totally missed by those not keen on this.

Elite training standards, elite character, high end leadership and low cost.

We don't need him to be a superstar, we need him to add depth and help the young guys in a midfield that's losing a lot of depth.

He is also a midfielder that can defend, allows kosi and others to attack.

7 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

Steele has a 2 year deal so we don’t get that flexibility for one year.

Campbell, Melk, Laurie, May, McDonald, McAdam some of AMW, AJ, one of the young key forwards. Can already do next years delistings so list spaces aren’t a problem.

Picks 7 and 8 are usually ready for the afl system. Not guys who need a lot of handholding to adapt to the basics. And our plan for the late list spots might be White and Sinnema who have spent time at the club and in academies.

Mentha is the only real baby on the list as it is. He and Luker the only guys who haven’t played a game. I don’t think we should be worried about having too many developmental players on the list.

I think we should especially with 20 OOC after next season.

Edited October 15Oct 15 by rpfc

I really like this move. Provides the team with strong on-field leadership which we are desperately lacking and may be invaluable when we have close games next season and beyond. I think his toughness is also going to be an asset to the team.

Not against this. Use the Clarry pick.

I think he'll stick with the Saints

2 hours ago, Dee Boys said:

Just goes to show that the Oliver trade is entirely linked to off field stuff.

Because on-field, he's a much, much, much better option than Jack Steele.

Thanks for that, Sandra.