1 hour ago, Jibroni said:

This is the AFL, they have no integrity.

Neither does David King.

Said May should get 6 weeks and Newcombe no case to answer, as it was an accident.

Howe knocked out cold and as Gleeson said to May, you had plenty of time to avoid the collision which the reasonable player would do.

Can’t wait to see what the MRO does.

The MRO will rub him out for 2 reasons

1 - the victim is a pies player

2 - pies might face hawks in finals

I like how Jon Ralph said that "the good news is that it's only concussion for Howe".

Yep. A brain injury that will never heal. But at least he didn't roll his ankle.

There is absolutely no doubt that different teams and especially certain players, are treated differently by the MRO, Tribunal and the Media.

I will eat my hat if Newcombe is suspended

MRO is a joke

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

I will eat my hat if Newcombe is suspended

MRO is a joke

I’ll eat your shoe.

46 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Neither does David King.

Said May should get 6 weeks and Newcombe no case to answer, as it was an accident.

36 minutes ago, Jack Vineys Anger Manager said:

I like how Jon Ralph said that "the good news is that it's only concussion for Howe".

Not sure how many concessions King got as a player, but both these guys are brain dead when it comes to any sensible, objective critical thinking.

Remember what the Tribunal said about May:

"We find that at the moment May changed direction and ran towards the ball, a reasonable player would have realised that it was highly likely that Evans would reach the ball before May did...

May could and should have realised before the last bounce that he remained unlikely to get to the ball first...

Both players had a clear and unimpeded view of the ball and of each other...

May made no attempt to change his path, his body position or his velocity at any time leading up to or in the contest. As a result, the effect was that he ran through Evans at high speed. A reasonable player would not have done so. May did not have a lot of time to do so, but he had sufficient time to avoid or minimise a high speed collision with a player who was gathering the ball...

It's important to note in this regard that May had a relatively long period of time to sum up the key features of the contest. This was not a situation where May had a split second in which to assess what might happen in the contest and to consider what he might do if the ball did not bounce in an entirely favourable way or him. May ran at a sufficient distance and had sufficient time with an unimpeded view of what was before him to determine what he could and should do in the likely event that he did not reach the ball either first or at the same time".

Almost all of the above apply, IMO, to Newcombe on Howe. One key difference is that the ball was to Newcombe's left but Howe was on the right (not both in front like May), but Newcombe has time to turn and look at Howe coming the other way, and then elects to run through him to try to tackle.

If the game today required May to assess that situation and attempt to minimise contact, IMO it required Newcombe to attempt to minimise contact, which he did not do.

I haven't heard David King's argument on it but if he has gone with "no weeks, football accident", that simply confirms that he's a [censored] moron, the complete opposite of the "best analyst in football". He's a hypocritical, finger to the wind, opinion-flipping, non-sensical moron. Where's the whole "these players are capable of split second decisions, they can react to these things, I'm the only commentator in the industry who cares about concussion, stop thinking about May and think about Evans instead" now?

And Jon Ralph would love his time again when he went with "the good news is it's only concussion". I suppose, being nice, he was trying to say there was no additional neck/bone damage, but seriously, do better you [censored].

Edited Thursday at 12:014 days by titan_uranus

Came on here to say the exact same thing. Nailed it @titan_uranus

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

Remember what the Tribunal said about May:

"We find that at the moment May changed direction and ran towards the ball, a reasonable player would have realised that it was highly likely that Evans would reach the ball before May did...

May could and should have realised before the last bounce that he remained unlikely to get to the ball first...

Both players had a clear and unimpeded view of the ball and of each other...

May made no attempt to change his path, his body position or his velocity at any time leading up to or in the contest. As a result, the effect was that he ran through Evans at high speed. A reasonable player would not have done so. May did not have a lot of time to do so, but he had sufficient time to avoid or minimise a high speed collision with a player who was gathering the ball...

It's important to note in this regard that May had a relatively long period of time to sum up the key features of the contest. This was not a situation where May had a split second in which to assess what might happen in the contest and to consider what he might do if the ball did not bounce in an entirely favourable way or him. May ran at a sufficient distance and had sufficient time with an unimpeded view of what was before him to determine what he could and should do in the likely event that he did not reach the ball either first or at the same time".

Almost all of the above apply, IMO, to Newcombe on Howe. One key difference is that the ball was to Newcombe's left but Howe was on the right (not both in front like May), but Newcombe has time to turn and look at Howe coming the other way, and then elects to run through him to try to tackle.

If the game today required May to assess that situation and attempt to minimise contact, IMO it required Newcombe to attempt to minimise contact, which he did not do.

I haven't heard David King's argument on it but if he has gone with "no weeks, football accident", that simply confirms that he's a [censored] moron, the complete opposite of the "best analyst in football". He's a hypocritical, finger to the wind, opinion-flipping, non-sensical moron. Where's the whole "these players are capable of split second decisions, they can react to these things, I'm the only commentator in the industry who cares about concussion, stop thinking about May and think about Evans instead" now?

And Jon Ralph would love his time again when he went with "the good news is it's only concussion". I suppose, being nice, he was trying to say there was no additional neck/bone damage, but seriously, do better you [censored].

Newcomb could and should have realised that he remained unlikely to get to the ball first.

Had time to slow down, duty of care to avoid a collision (alah, Archer from North) resulting in a concussed opposition player.

Newcomb doesn’t even have Mays excuse of the ball changing direction on the last bounce.

There is no grey area here.

Can’t wait to hear King defend this tomorrow morning.

1 hour ago, titan_uranus said:

I haven't heard David King's argument on it but if he has gone with "no weeks, football accident", that simply confirms that he's a [censored] moron, the complete opposite of the "best analyst in football". He's a hypocritical, finger to the wind, opinion-flipping, non-sensical moron. Where's the whole "these players are capable of split second decisions, they can react to these things, I'm the only commentator in the industry who cares about concussion, stop thinking about May and think about Evans instead" now?

That's him...perfect description.

2 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I will eat my hat if Newcombe is suspended

MRO is a joke

I don’t think Newcombe should be though. Howe was concussed from hitting his head on the ground, not the collision itself.

But it’s the MRO and Gleeson, so who knows.

3 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

Remember what the Tribunal said about May:

"We find that at the moment May changed direction and ran towards the ball, a reasonable player would have realised that it was highly likely that Evans would reach the ball before May did...

May could and should have realised before the last bounce that he remained unlikely to get to the ball first...

Both players had a clear and unimpeded view of the ball and of each other...

May made no attempt to change his path, his body position or his velocity at any time leading up to or in the contest. As a result, the effect was that he ran through Evans at high speed. A reasonable player would not have done so. May did not have a lot of time to do so, but he had sufficient time to avoid or minimise a high speed collision with a player who was gathering the ball...

It's important to note in this regard that May had a relatively long period of time to sum up the key features of the contest. This was not a situation where May had a split second in which to assess what might happen in the contest and to consider what he might do if the ball did not bounce in an entirely favourable way or him. May ran at a sufficient distance and had sufficient time with an unimpeded view of what was before him to determine what he could and should do in the likely event that he did not reach the ball either first or at the same time".

Almost all of the above apply, IMO, to Newcombe on Howe. One key difference is that the ball was to Newcombe's left but Howe was on the right (not both in front like May), but Newcombe has time to turn and look at Howe coming the other way, and then elects to run through him to try to tackle.

If the game today required May to assess that situation and attempt to minimise contact, IMO it required Newcombe to attempt to minimise contact, which he did not do.

I haven't heard David King's argument on it but if he has gone with "no weeks, football accident", that simply confirms that he's a [censored] moron, the complete opposite of the "best analyst in football". He's a hypocritical, finger to the wind, opinion-flipping, non-sensical moron. Where's the whole "these players are capable of split second decisions, they can react to these things, I'm the only commentator in the industry who cares about concussion, stop thinking about May and think about Evans instead" now?

And Jon Ralph would love his time again when he went with "the good news is it's only concussion". I suppose, being nice, he was trying to say there was no additional neck/bone damage, but seriously, do better you [censored].

NEWCOMBE who has form had not made up his mind what to do. You could tell his intent was to make intentional contact but his evaluation was all over the place because of his eyes going from ball to player several times.

Head contact and speed no doubt could have been avoided.

Just pictured the MRO & tribunal trying to figure out how to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

Newcombe actually slows down, takes his eye off the ball and lines Howe up all with at least half a second (it was not reflexive)... it would look completely damming if slow-mo gets released...

Should be 5 weeks based on what May did, i.e. eye on the ball the whole time and much less than a half second to respond, acting on reflex.

But MRO is a joke... and not precedent forming... just a leaf in the wind and based on how Christian is feeling that day

5 hours ago, Demon Disciple said:

I don’t think Newcombe should be though. Howe was concussed from hitting his head on the ground, not the collision itself.

But it’s the MRO and Gleeson, so who knows.

And Gleeson SPINS more according to his own Gravitas

WATCH THIS SPACE

Edited Thursday at 19:423 days by picket fence

3 hours ago, GM11 said:

Just pictured the MRO & tribunal trying to figure out how to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

No doubt they will come up with some BS rationale that insults all intelegence and logic.

On a related topic, it was reported by the MFC that Steve May only just came out of concussion protocols this week, so the 3 week suspension was probably somewhat inconsequential in that respect.

I guess De Koning "only gave him a concussion" and everyone loves a good specky, so we should just move on. The other thing that I take away from that is that next time players realise that they need to enter a foot race in which they might arrive at the ball at the same time, they should just try to take a specky on them and knee them in the head instead, because that's a football act that provides total immunity from suspension.

Edited Thursday at 19:563 days by Rodney (Balls) Grinter

Nothing in the Newcombe incident that should warrant a suspension. If it wasn’t for the May incident we wouldn’t even be talking about this.

Having said that I actually want him suspended only because we play him next week.

5 hours ago, GM11 said:

Just pictured the MRO & tribunal trying to figure out how to get out of the corner they've painted themselves into.

I think the problem is that the MRO/Tribunal "review" these incidents with a predetermined outcome in mind and then spend hours deliberating to work out the subjective factors to support their predetermined outcome.

The May suspension is fully based on subjective "interpretations" of what the mythological reasonable player would do. I wonder which reasonable player they will use this time.

5 hours ago, RickyJ45 said:

Newcombe actually slows down, takes his eye off the ball and lines Howe up all with at least half a second (it was not reflexive)... it would look completely damming if slow-mo gets released...

Should be 5 weeks based on what May did, i.e. eye on the ball the whole time and much less than a half second to respond, acting on reflex.

But MRO is a joke... and not precedent forming... just a leaf in the wind and based on how Christian is feeling that day

Agreed. But the victim plays for Collingwood so the MRO will probably give him 8 weeks....

If the AFL is fair dinkum then Newcombe gets three weeks for that collision with Howe.

Steven May copped a three week suspension for not anticipating potential risk of injury, being second to the contest, and failing to change direction/decelerate to limit the risk of injury... essentially being reckless, resulting in his opponent being concussed. It is exactly the same, except May was shoulder contact, Newcombe was head contact.

The precedent has been set, time to see if the AFL will stick to it. I doubt they will.

Edited Thursday at 22:423 days by mfcrox

Media and MRO/Tribunal all follow AFL instruction so nothing will happen here. Hawks most prominent in pre-season promos so were always going to make the 8.

10 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

I haven't heard David King's argument on it but if he has gone with "no weeks, football accident", that simply confirms that he's a [censored] moron, the complete opposite of the "best analyst in football". He's a hypocritical, finger to the wind, opinion-flipping, non-sensical moron. Where's the whole "these players are capable of split second decisions, they can react to these things, I'm the only commentator in the industry who cares about concussion, stop thinking about May and think about Evans instead" now?

Think this was confirmed ages ago.