50 minutes ago, Dr. Gonzo said:

He's right, Max is huge around the ground but consistently let's himself and the team down with his goalkicking. It is inexcusable that it hasn't been fixed, he's kicked what 2.13 or so for the year? Many from within 30m on barely any angle. It's demoralising for the team when that continues to happen.

No, he’s not right.

I get you’re angry, we all are (at least we all should be), but even allowing for Gawn’s poor kicking he’s not an “anchor” on us as the OP said. He’s a star and without him we’d be closer to 18th on the ladder.

Edit: and the subsequent post that he lets us down as much, if not more, than Lever, Viney, Trac or Clarry is offensively wrong.

Edited June 15Jun 15 by titan_uranus

Tom Sparrow, what is the point of him? 100 plus games and he can barely get a kick, never is accountable for one of the HBFs who destroys us each week and generally wanders around getting in the way.

How he hasn't been to Casey this year is extraordinary. Surely Brown or Woewodin could do just as well.

13 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Goodwin in his presser made a few telling (IMO) comments:

1. He said 3-4 times that one of our key problems was our inability to compete aerially in the forward line, and that our third quarter spark came from competing better in that space. I’d be staggered if at least one of Petty, JVR and Melksham aren’t dropped for our next game as a result

2. He said that under pressure we “reverted”, and when pressed ok what that meant he mentioned our inability to lower our eyes or to be composed when kicking. Again, I’d be staggered if we didn’t see some sort of midfield change in our next game (whether that’s dropping someone or shifting magnets to lower the likelihood of Viney, Oliver, Trac and Rivers doing all the kicking inside 50).

IMO our biggest and most fundamental problem is that under pressure we cannot reliably execute our plans, and revert to habitual type, which is to rush or dump kick the ball in the hope we’ll subsequently lock it in or reset and go again. One major contributor to the pressure we are constantly under is our goalkicking - continually missing easy shots, particularly early in games and quarters, heaps the pressure on when our opponent inevitably kicks their own (which is happening far more now than in 2021-23 because our defence is nowhere near the level it was then, and is structured differently as well).

Our biggest fundamental problem are the dumbasses who coach and define our forward game.

Who ever ( Simon and friends ) thinks they're on a winner in terms of method and manpower just needsto step back... take off the whatever coloured glasses and just ask.... is this really the way forward

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

Count is irrelevant. Where they are paid and the ones not paid are what matters.

Ah stats without nuance and context = 💩

Do we need to talk about Viney and Oliver being back in the side together again, at the same time Rivers turns in to a pumpkin and we become the butcher again?

Shocking, and yet wholly unsurprising disposal from Oliver/Viney

Got home from a wonderful afternoon of beers and bands at our local.

Just finished the replay.

Some promising signs.

We just need to lift from four players going for the mark to six from a long bomb in and we'll snavel a couple of marks.

We need to play along the boundary a little more to get the handpass under pressure game really cracking.

Disco up forward. Coaching mastery. No-one would have thought of that. No-one

Leaving Petty forward as well "to bring the ball to ground" everytime was fantastic. Made me reminisce of the "days of iron hands Dawes"

Not capitalising from a Port Backman that looked like he'd been shot in the leg and just backing our system delivered in spades.

Bitterly disappointed with our finish. It was 14.8 to 8.14 which would have been a fantastic statement about our accuracy.

I know I came home a little drunk, but did Port get a goal after the siren for each of the first three quarters?

A master class of umpiring - it's not how many frees, it's where and how they get paid.

That hands in the back is ok sometimes rule is a ripper.

Bring on 2030

Edited June 15Jun 15 by Brownie

3 hours ago, Nietaphart said:

Why can’t our forwards lead to the ball carrier?

#Georgiadis #caseinpoint

And equally why can’t our ball carriers kick into the path of our forwards (when and if they choose to lead)?

Did gawn miss 2 easy shots for goal?

2 hours ago, jnrmac said:

Hmm Steven May gobbing off this week after 7.4 kicked on him?

Arrogant anchor

When the coaches go through the game footage with each player as they do, surely May would see himself gobbing off, left, right and centre as he always does and think 'Geez, I look like a prize [censored],' but clearly, he doesn't.

2 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Did gawn miss 2 easy shots for goal?

When has he not?

34 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Goodwin in his presser made a few telling (IMO) comments:

1. He said 3-4 times that one of our key problems was our inability to compete aerially in the forward line, and that our third quarter spark came from competing better in that space. I’d be staggered if at least one of Petty, JVR and Melksham aren’t dropped for our next game as a result

2. He said that under pressure we “reverted”, and when pressed ok what that meant he mentioned our inability to lower our eyes or to be composed when kicking. Again, I’d be staggered if we didn’t see some sort of midfield change in our next game (whether that’s dropping someone or shifting magnets to lower the likelihood of Viney, Oliver, Trac and Rivers doing all the kicking inside 50).

IMO our biggest and most fundamental problem is that under pressure we cannot reliably execute our plans, and revert to habitual type, which is to rush or dump kick the ball in the hope we’ll subsequently lock it in or reset and go again. One major contributor to the pressure we are constantly under is our goalkicking - continually missing easy shots, particularly early in games and quarters, heaps the pressure on when our opponent inevitably kicks their own (which is happening far more now than in 2021-23 because our defence is nowhere near the level it was then, and is structured differently as well).

Its copy & paste last 3 seasons, either the players are thickheads, or Goody isn’t up to it as he just simply can’t fix it and players need to hear a different voice

57 minutes ago, zeldacat said:

Midfield and forward coaches, any accountability there or is it all on the players for bad execution and resorting to old style of play. High up and under down the line. So many times our forwards all went up for the mark. No cumbers. Season may be over but use the time to get a few things right.

It’s on the entire Football Department….

We are not Hungry enough for Success, otherwise the Goalkicking Yips would have been sorted out between the Players

They don’t demand enough out of each other…

10 minutes ago, Brownie said:

Got home from a wonderful afternoon of beers and bands at our local.

Just finished the replay.

Some promising signs.

We just need to lift from four players going for the mark to six from a long bomb in and we'll snavel a couple of marks.

We need to play along the boundary a little more to get the handpass under pressure game really cracking.

Disco up forward. Coaching mastery. No-one would have thought of that. No-one

Leaving Petty forward as well "to bring the ball to ground" everytime was fantastic. Made me reminisce of the "days of iron hands Dawes"

Not capitalising from a Port Backman that looked like he'd been shot in the leg and just backing our system delivered in spades.

Bitterly disappointed with our finish. It was 14.8 to 8.14 which would have been a fantastic statement about our accuracy.

I know I came home a little drunk, but did Port get a goal after the siren for each of the first three quarters?

A master class of umpiring - it's not how many frees, it's where and how they get paid.

That hands in the back is ok sometimes rule is a ripper.

Bring on 2030

How many beers 🍻 ?

Asking for a friend.

We were wasteful and dumb going forward

We're always wasteful and dumb going forward

Why isn't this fixed. Seriously. Stands out like the proverbial as the major problem... and here we are .....wasteful and dumb going forward.

That NO ONE at the club wants to either admit this, address it or negate those causing .....it. There's your problem right there.

Edited June 15Jun 15 by beelzebub

12 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Did gawn miss 2 easy shots for goal?

is the sky blue?

5 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

It’s on the entire Football Department….

We are not Hungry enough for Success, otherwise the Goalkicking Yips would have been sorted out between the Players

They don’t demand enough out of each other…

this is no longer on the players, picture this- we still play the same [censored] way we do for the past 4 years eg bombing it forward plus the off field issues, selection issues and what ever other [censored] going on, but you just improve the goal kicking by 5-10%. keep in mind 5-10% is not that much in terms of scoring shots per game we have an extra flag in 23’ to show for it….

We Suck

Bringing in underdone players not fully fit like Lever and Viney , dropping in form players like TMac and absolutely gifting games to players who have done zilch like Petty , Sparrow and Van Rooyen is a huge part of the problem and the predicament we are currently in.

Edited June 15Jun 15 by DeeZee

54 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Goodwin in his presser made a few telling (IMO) comments:

1. He said 3-4 times that one of our key problems was our inability to compete aerially in the forward line, and that our third quarter spark came from competing better in that space. I’d be staggered if at least one of Petty, JVR and Melksham aren’t dropped for our next game as a result

2. He said that under pressure we “reverted”, and when pressed ok what that meant he mentioned our inability to lower our eyes or to be composed when kicking. Again, I’d be staggered if we didn’t see some sort of midfield change in our next game (whether that’s dropping someone or shifting magnets to lower the likelihood of Viney, Oliver, Trac and Rivers doing all the kicking inside 50).

IMO our biggest and most fundamental problem is that under pressure we cannot reliably execute our plans, and revert to habitual type, which is to rush or dump kick the ball in the hope we’ll subsequently lock it in or reset and go again. One major contributor to the pressure we are constantly under is our goalkicking - continually missing easy shots, particularly early in games and quarters, heaps the pressure on when our opponent inevitably kicks their own (which is happening far more now than in 2021-23 because our defence is nowhere near the level it was then, and is structured differently as well).

On point 1, is it a surprise that we competed better auerially up forward when Turner was shifted there? We've been crying out for that for weeks! Not only having Turner there but having him alongside other talls. JVR looked good early then was shifted to ruck/bench and taken away from the forward line no wonder he struggles to find form.

Turner must stay forward, JVR must stay forward and not ruck. Bring TMac back and either put him in defense to replace Turner or move Petty back (he is absolutely useless forward) and TMac or Jefferson to the forward line.

On point 2, what does he expect when we bring Viney back to start in the middle with Petracca and Oliver. It's all good and well to blame the midfielders but selection plays a large part of it.

Also the dump kicking doesn't just happen under pressure, it happens when we have a mark/free kick between the arcs and have time to make a decision. We should be looking for the switch but instead just go long and high, so easy to defend against it is infuriating.

Edited June 15Jun 15 by Dr. Gonzo

6 minutes ago, jaydenh10 said:

this is no longer on the players, picture this- we still play the same [censored] way we do for the past 4 years eg bombing it forward plus the off field issues, selection issues and what ever other [censored] going on, but you just improve the goal kicking by 5-10%. keep in mind 5-10% is not that much in terms of scoring shots per game we have an extra flag in 23’ to show for it….

Agreed. That is why i said it’s on the entire Department

But i am also suprised that the Players aren’t harder on each other to improve Goalkicking efficiency

Our inability to finish makes us putrid to watch. Nobody’s gonna show up in the second half of the season.

45 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

No, he’s not right.

I get you’re angry, we all are (at least we all should be), but even allowing for Gawn’s poor kicking he’s not an “anchor” on us as the OP said. He’s a star and without him we’d be closer to 18th on the ladder.

Edit: and the subsequent post that he lets us down as much, if not more, than Lever, Viney, Trac or Clarry is offensively wrong.

I agree he is a star and probably the greatest ruckman of the modern era if not all time. He is also a fantastic leader and seems like a great bloke.

None of that detracts from the fact his goalkicking is deplorable and so often lets the team down. He should be taking additional time to work on his technique during the week, the fact he misses the same way every time is what is frustrating as it shows he is doing nothing to address it.

I agree saying he is an anchor is ridiculous but his set shot kicking has to be addressed (along with most others in the team).

8 minutes ago, DubDee said:

We Suck

And Dun Dee it is starting to occur to me that we are just not good enough. Older players are slow, and the kids are struggling. We have plenty of decent VFL players but not up to AFL standard. Need a huge cull at end of season.

How is it that when we were [censored] we had a better forward line?

We had Robertson, Green, Jurrah, Hogan, Gartlett at different stages.

Players who were at least reliable and had confidence in their own abilities.

I could probably cop this year of development (wasted senior players) if we were at least taking our opportunities and were just not good enough.

Could you imagine how our backline feels? Constantly under the pump defending turnovers and constantly copping 12 point turn arounds over and over.

May intercepts on the last line or at half back, hits up a good option, only to watch it get bombed into the forward line where if by chance it’s marked, it isn’t converted and then most times pogo back and is kicked into space or over the head of our overworked defenders.

I don’t blame May at all for his outburst last week against the Pies, he must be frustrated as hell watching his forward line constantly waste opportunity after opportunity.

If I were him I’d be asking our forward line if there’s any danger they could kick some F’ing goals!

Edited June 15Jun 15 by Doug Reemer

13 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Agreed. That is why i said it’s on the entire Department

But i am also suprised that the Players aren’t harder on each other to improve Goalkicking efficiency

im just lost for words i dont know what to say, 4 years same [censored]. we have been told that at 1's and 2's training the goal kicking is a [censored] take muck around not serious at all.

25 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Of course it is, it's an enormous elephant in the room that nobody wants to admit.

Huffs and puffs all year when his team mates make errors but aside from last week against the pies, he has been incredibly inconsistent within games and regularly making howlers.