6 hours ago, Devil In Disguise said:

Perfect round to rest Melky. Nice one coach.

glad you are our high performance coach and know where his body is at. do tell ?

6 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Simon is not smart enough at selection.

JVR, Jeffo and Fritta all horribly out of form yet plays all three.

The one dangerous tall that performed last week he moves down back for Petty.

Another zero goal game from Spargo and pretty sure same for Chandler. When the heat comes on and we're struggling the only small forward that stands up (when he's playing as a small forward) is Koz and he's probably gone at years end.

Kolt & Jeffo aren't ready for AFL and Jeffo is barely VFL level at this point.

We had to play JVR and wasnt disgraced. you could defs put and argument for selecting Jefferson who was poor today.

5 hours ago, DemonOX said:

It’s time for Goodwin to go. He has had multiple yrs to fix the problem ...

I believe the people you need to be referencing here are Tim Lamb and Jason Taylor, responsible for list management and recruitment respectively.

1 hour ago, Dee-tonator said:

The better team is always the one that wins the game.

If you waste nearly all your opportunities, your are a poor team.

Our glaring forward weaknesses mean that we are seldom the better team these days.

Who would have thought huh..

We played good transition football for 3 quarters. We defended well, and stopped the Hawks from fast transitions off half back, while also moving the ball well by hand and actually hitting some targets inside 50.

We unfortunately fluffed numerous easy opportunities in front of goal, and that left the game wide open. If we covert the easy missed shots (and Kosi is given a goal when clearly tripped), then the game is very different at 3/4 time and we perhaps go on to win, defending a nice lead rather than trying to make up for all our past mistakes in front of goal.

It’s always bloody annoying to lose games that you know you could have won. Hawks are not a bad team and I think we win that game 8 times out of 10, if we take our chances early. But bad kicking is bad football, and the last quarter has again left a very sour taste in the mouth. If we fight it out and lose by a goal, I reckon most here would be pretty happy with the display.

We are playing a pretty young team, and the good news is that a lot of those young players are showing great signs. I thought this was the best game Rivers has played as a mid all year with 5 clearances and 23 touches. Disco continues to impress, Bowey and Windsor look fantastic down back, and Langford and Lindsay just scream future stars. Also thought Sharp played well, given some real game time. He used his speed well and really attacked the contest. And Chin continues to shine.

There is no doubt that 2025 is now a stepping stone to 2026 and we need to keep on pursuing this more attacking game plan. It looks much better than it did even 3 weeks ago, and it’s the way forward.

Hopefully we can get some continuity from Petty and Disco, which will definitely help the forward woes, especially when Lever returns and frees Disco to go forward.

1 hour ago, Dee-tonator said:

The better team is always the one that wins the game.

If you waste nearly all your opportunities, your are a poor team.

Our glaring forward weaknesses mean that we are seldom the better team these days.

For sure but I did think that we moved the ball with more purpose than we had this season.

As far as getting to goal all the positive signs were there, we just crudded the bed with bad kicking. Mainly gettable shots too. We set ourselves up well to win this one but fell short.

You could sometimes chalk this down as a gallant defeat but we're 3-6 not 6-3 so I hear you, no margin for error at this point if you need to run the table.

Another fadeout too.

7 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Simon is not smart enough

If we fix this, we fix our team

5 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

We failed to recruit big fwds. You need a lot of them cos some often don't pan out.

Seriously? From Schache through Fullarton, JVR, Jefferson, Turner, more recently Kentfield and Johnson ... that's over the last 4 draft/trade period.

Whether they've worked or not is a separate discussion, but it's not for want of trying. But there again, they were selected by the same recruitment team that got us the likes of Windsor, XL, Langford, McVee etc.

3 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

One big positive today was getting to see Langford’s overhead marking.

Was a huge part of his junior game and one of the reasons I was a fan on him on the wing. If he keeps developing it now he’s got a taste of what he can do he’s going to be a match up problem for mids. Hopefully he keeps it up.

And easily slotted that first goal calmly from 50. Beautiful kick. He's gonna be special.

6 hours ago, Adam The God said:

And easily slotted that first goal calmly from 50. Beautiful kick. He's gonna be special.

That left foot and the Sherrin are a match made in heaven, that was as pure as it gets.

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

I believe the people you need to be referencing here are Tim Lamb and Jason Taylor, responsible for list management and recruitment respectively.

The question is what’s stopped the club from attracting exp fwds, is it cap space are the big contracts to trac, Oliver etc or our culture issues which stopped Houston from coming

AJ would have been a better selection today instead of MJ with instruction to sit on Sicily

We make shocking selection decisions and little or no bold positional changes

6 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

The question is what’s stopped the club from attracting exp fwds, is it cap space are the big contracts to trac, Oliver etc or our culture issues which stopped Houston from coming

What experience fwds are you referring to?

They're not just laying around...

Don’t disagree fwds are not easy to come by but who have we traded in since winning a flag that’s added value, consider who the Pies have Schultz, Mcstay, Membry,Houston Cats Cameron, Smith,

10 hours ago, bing181 said:

I believe the people you need to be referencing here are Tim Lamb and Jason Taylor, responsible for list management and recruitment respectively.

Yeah but the coach has a lot of input into that too. Let’s just say is a coaching and recruiting group failure with a game plan to boot.

9 hours ago, bing181 said:

Seriously? From Schache through Fullarton, JVR, Jefferson, Turner, more recently Kentfield and Johnson ... that's over the last 4 draft/trade period.

Whether they've worked or not is a separate discussion, but it's not for want of trying. But there again, they were selected by the same recruitment team that got us the likes of Windsor, XL, Langford, McVee etc.

If your satisfied and happy the club has recruited some awesome forwards and enough of them then I'm happy for you.

I strongly disagree.

I'm l pretty sure Turner was recruited as a defender. Although he should have been employed as a fwd all day yesterday.

Jeffo wasn't around three years ago and only started playing this year. The other names except for Roo who has sadly gone backwards are the rejects from other clubs I was complaining about.

But na our fwd line has and is in top top shape.

It's been booting over 100 points consistently for years now.

Not.

43 minutes ago, Demonsone said:

Don’t disagree fwds are not easy to come by but who have we traded in since winning a flag that’s added value, consider who the Pies have Schultz, Mcstay, Membry,Houston Cats Cameron, Smith,

we have tried to bring in a key tall forward - lynch from the tigs, georgiades from the pear, waterman and allen from meth coke, and so on and so forth

key tall forwards are prized for good reason

the difference is we have prioritised bringing in youth since the premiership, with 6 first round pick selections in 4 years since

while it looks, to me, that jefferson is a complete bust, and there's queries over tholstrup, the likes of windsor, langford, and lindsay look like they'll be top tier quality, and jvr ain't the only tall forward struggling in his fourth year in the system; from the same draft ugle-hagan is mia and amiss is in as bad a patch of form as van rooyen

pies have added perryman, schultz, and houston via multiple first round draft picks post-premiership, but mcstay was a free agent prior to their 2023 triumph, and membrey was a free from the aints

cameron was a significant part of the puddy tatts' 2022 premiership, at the cost of three first round picks (which they got via tim kelly trade), while bailey smith cost, what, two first rounders?

Umpiring terrible.

Fourth quarter terrible.

Goal kicking accuracy terrible.

Fitness terrible.

But Harvey "The Bison" Langford is going to be a star! ❤️💙

Just sick to death of this last quarter fade outs, pay Darren Burgess $2 million to get him back or anybody except this [censored] we’ve got there now. Get rid of Jefferson & Fritsch back to Casey, Jeff forever and Fritta for 6 weeks, put JVR down back or trade.

And get rid of Goodwin at the end of year, we will win maybe 3 more games, will not get early draft pick unless we trade Kozzie, and trading him would be stupidest thing we could do, get Longmire or Buckley in, players and supporters are sick of hearing Goodwin trying to spin positive [censored], had it!!

And the AFL umpires are the worst at officiating in a professional game like AFL football, they are woeful to the point I don’t want to go anymore, been watching this game for over 60 years and I’ve never seen umpires so bad in AFL!

Horrible 4th quarter stats on The Footy Show this morning

Just horrible

59 minutes ago, Supreme_Demon said:

Umpiring terrible.

Fourth quarter terrible.

Goal kicking accuracy terrible.

Fitness terrible.

But Harvey "The Bison" Langford is going to be a star! ❤️💙

I'd like to add to that list, TV coverage terrible.

The number of times we see a player with nothing but grass in the frame is maddening. And close ups where a ball is handballed out of frame and the viewer has no idea to whom, if anyone, it is headed. And close ups of the player who has taken a mark/free rather than showing the viewer what options he has downfield. The commentators make it all worthwhile ...... (is there a sarcasm emoji?)

1 hour ago, whatwhat say what said:

we have tried to bring in a key tall forward - lynch from the tigs, georgiades from the pear, waterman and allen from meth coke, and so on and so forth

key tall forwards are prized for good reason

the difference is we have prioritised bringing in youth since the premiership, with 6 first round pick selections in 4 years since

while it looks, to me, that jefferson is a complete bust, and there's queries over tholstrup, the likes of windsor, langford, and lindsay look like they'll be top tier quality, and jvr ain't the only tall forward struggling in his fourth year in the system; from the same draft ugle-hagan is mia and amiss is in as bad a patch of form as van rooyen

pies have added perryman, schultz, and houston via multiple first round draft picks post-premiership, but mcstay was a free agent prior to their 2023 triumph, and membrey was a free from the aints

cameron was a significant part of the puddy tatts' 2022 premiership, at the cost of three first round picks (which they got via tim kelly trade), while bailey smith cost, what, two first rounders?

Have wandered down to see Jefferson play in the 2's (Frankston ground) previously and he's done well. And would love to see him make a successful transition to the Senior side. I was going to write that you can't teach mongrel, but I do think he doesn't project energy. He's a big player who somehow makes himself seem small. His posture alone shouts that to me.

I couldn't be at the game yesterday but I seem to recall he played down back for Casey occasionally for spells and got involved. Is this an option for him?

Edited 5 hours ago5 hr by Return to Glory

14 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

One big positive today was getting to see Langford’s overhead marking.

Was a huge part of his junior game and one of the reasons I was a fan on him on the wing. If he keeps developing it now he’s got a taste of what he can do he’s going to be a match up problem for mids. Hopefully he keeps it up.

I have been wondering why we don’t try him forward a bit. He certainly has the tools. He had a stand out game yesterday. Has the potential to be a top 10 player in the game.

Rules have changed a lot in recent years - particularly regarding kicking out from a behind.

When Kozzy was tripped and didn't get a free (hello MRP) Sicily rushed the ball through for a behind - under no pressure. Should've been a free for that as well.

Sicily then ran back into play through the behind area. I thought a kick out or handball had to go back into the 10m square before the ball could be brought back into play.

Can someone please clarify the latest rules around this?

5 minutes ago, TassieDevil said:

Rules have changed a lot in recent years - particularly regarding kicking out from a behind.

When Kozzy was tripped and didn't get a free (hello MRP) Sicily rushed the ball through for a behind - under no pressure. Should've been a free for that as well.

Sicily then ran back into play through the behind area. I thought a kick out or handball had to go back into the 10m square before the ball could be brought back into play.

Can someone please clarify the latest rules around this?

I don't think the ball went through for a behind. It stayed in front of the goalpost.

I can't understand though how Sicily could pass it to himself, from one hand to the other, as he went behind the goal post. Surely that's incorrect disposal?

Two free kicks missed, either one should have resulted in goal.