Always good seeing Freo get smashed. Truly wish the worst for them. 

Freo going down is good for all.  This is an 8 point game for them if they win. few win at taxpayers park and winning on the road scarce  for dockers.

Go cats

Im hoping Jackson trade value decreases if Freo serve this up on a regular basis.

8 minutes ago, Garbo said:

If there was no prior opportunity then incorrect disposal doesn’t come into play

Yes but somehow players seem to be able to dispose incorrectly to a teammate surprisingly often when tackled.   It's not just the dubious  disposal when tackled, it's 'handpasses' in play which are getting very dubious.  The AFL likes it because play looks more exciting but I expect the umps will clamp down on it. Probably starting on Sunday pm.

Tom Hawkins on commentary? Might as well just drink out of a toilet bowl.

Cats up by 54 points against Freo. How TF do they do it?

So sick of these [censored]

Freo look so vanilla.

LJ is their best mid

Murphy Reid

Murphy Reid welcome to the big time 

4 goals in 8 minutes from Murphy Reid!

Unbelievable!

Comeback is in play I reckon. Younger lights for Freo getting in there, Cats look knackered, Danger looks old. 

Cats crowd are chanting

'Shorter Quarters!'

2 minutes ago, DubDee said:

Cats crowd are chanting

'Shorter Quarters!'

Next thing it will be 2 quarters not 4 

Come on Freo! 

Going in to the change room at 3/4 time is [censored]. And Freo to kardinia is one of biggest away matches

All those Jeeelong ankers getting massive Sunburn….

Why did Danger go around again? Cats are carrying him

Ollie Henry seems like a stand up guy. 

I still can't fathom how the AFL allow Geelong to train at their home ground but no other club in the league can. It's such a clear advantage for their home games, especially with goal kicking.

And just like that Freo let you down.

The Shockers are still mentally weak on the road 

in this heat they should have controlled the game, but they have been smashed 

Don’t go Kozz

Word on the street is Longmuir told the team to  play like [censored] so other teams couldn’t get the behind the goals footage of their elite game plan…

On 14/03/2025 at 05:10, M_9 said:

Daniel Hoyne said on Monday that 4 of the last 5 premierships were won by teams that were top three in ball movement. By that he meant their goals emanated largely from their half back line. The inside 50 count was not a factor. 

Our 2021 premiership was the exception.

 

On 14/03/2025 at 05:59, binman said:

I didn't hear that, though he talked it about it last year as emerging trend (was 3 of 4 then).

I would be be very surprised if he said the inside 50 count was not a factor.

 

On 14/03/2025 at 10:59, M_9 said:

I only had 'half and ear' to the conversation. Whately (?) asked Hoyne about the importance of I50's cf ball movement and Hoyne gave the example of last year's GF where the Swans had only two fewer I50's (49-51) but lost by 10 goals.

Whately then asked who you'd draft first - a good mid-fielder (clearance player) or a good half back. 

I don't think Hoyne gave a definitive answer (both equally important, or have their role).

BTW I don't know what 'ball movement ' means, or how you measure it. Scores from transition from your back half?

 

On 14/03/2025 at 14:10, binman said:

I barely listen or watch any footy media anymore. I can't stand most of it. Hoyne is an exception. I really like him - he's the only media analyst i listen to regularly (via the sportsday pod on spotify which separates all the segments out meaning i don't have to listen to the other guff.

I hadn't listened to him yet this year - did so on the train to work this morning. 

Ball movement has been a hobby horse for Hoyne for a few seasons now. He was right on to it as something to 'watch' with the way the Pies started playing under McRae in 2022, and of course in 2023. 

As you suggest by ball movement he is talking about transition from the 'defensive half'. As you suggest that is measured by goals from the defensive half.

By the by its important to note that defensive half means the defensive side of the center line NOT a team's defensive area (eg from half back, or inside D50), as it's often conflated with. I say important because i think sometimes people assume transition happens from deep in a team's defence.

The other key stat related to transition and ball movement is turnovers. The best transition teams (ball movement) create lots of turnovers thru their pressure and then move the ball down the field effectively (like GWS v pies). 

 

23 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

@M_9 - please do not share facts from someone who knows his facts on Demonland.

 

23 hours ago, binman said:

Well, its not quite a fact.

Hoyne didn't say it inside 50s were not a factor for those premiership winning teams - far from it.

Of course it's a factor - just not as big a factor as it once was (reflecting the change in how the game is now played by tge best teams).

 

22 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Completely agree with your point Binman. But the data is the data. Unless a team can slingshot with precision off half back on a regular basis, ones chances of grabbing a flag are significantly reduced.

 

18 hours ago, binman said:

Absolutely, wasn't arguing otherwise.

You still have to get inside 50 but.

Which is basically what hoyne said in the segment being discussed

I reckon the percentage of games won in the 2-3 last seasons by teams having fewer inside 50s than their opponent would be vanishingly small (and yes I know the lions won the flag with 2 less inside 50s).

And I'd add that one thing that hasn't changed is pressure is critical and the team thay applies most pressure is more likely to win (though pies in 2023 were an outlier in this regard).

 

17 hours ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

Horethorn have just beaten Essendrugs with fewer inside 50s. It would be interesting to get the trend over the last 2-3 season - agreed.

 

17 hours ago, binman said:

Yep. Exception and rule and all that.

By the by the bombers defence is pathetic - both in terms of system and personelle.

So the data over the last three years is interesting @binman and @M_9. In 2024, 25 percent of games were won by sides with fewer i50s that their opposition. Here's the spooky bit, in 2023 it was 5 percent and in 2022 it was statistically insignificant ~0 percent.

Ominous. 

Will Geelong ever go away bloody annoying & haven’t bottomed out for 2 decades, their afl review will be interesting