1 minute ago, bush demon said:

I have often found the term "literally" to be somewhat ambiguous, inviting misuse.

9 hours ago, Redleg said:

What if Tracc was traded to the Hawks and we got their Blues pick plus more and that was the start of the trade price.

This draft is [censored] and compromised. Lindsay would have been a top 5 pick this year. Langford would be the number 1 pick. The Carlton pick will get pushed back to outside the top 10. Even if we offer that and another first rounder that's still less than what Freo paid us for him and he was out of contract and his form is better now than it was then.

13 hours ago, beelzebub said:

Ahhh... just twigged to this

7 hours ago, Fritta and Turner said:

still got me stumped

Yes, got me rooted!

If there’s even a slight little chance we’ve gotta go hard at this. He’s worth multiple first round picks. Get it done Dees!!

12 hours ago, binman said:

He might mean jump as one does in a ruck contest - so it kind of does work literally.

1 hour ago, KoltTheRam said:

If there’s even a slight little chance we’ve gotta go hard at this. He’s worth multiple first round picks. Get it done Dees!!

5 hours ago, TRIGON said:

Yes, got me rooted!

Literally?

Carlton's 1st via Petracca to Hawthorn, our 2026 and 2027 1sts and McVee would get it done if Jackson pushed hard for it.

Where has this rumour reignited itself? i thought it was clear LJ was staying and that all the rumours were bulltish.

21 minutes ago, old55 said:

Carlton's 1st via Petracca to Hawthorn, our 2026 and 2027 1sts and McVee would get it done if Jackson pushed hard for it.

For that price he'd want to win the next six best & fairests and captain the team to its next premiership.

We need to add half a dozen quality players, not one potential superstar.

37 minutes ago, old55 said:

Carlton's 1st via Petracca to Hawthorn, our 2026 and 2027 1sts and McVee would get it done if Jackson pushed hard for it.

That trade would single handedly destroy the club for the next decade.

45 minutes ago, old55 said:

Carlton's 1st via Petracca to Hawthorn, our 2026 and 2027 1sts and McVee would get it done if Jackson pushed hard for it.

If that's the asking price, we're not buying.

18 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

Where has this rumour reignited itself? i thought it was clear LJ was staying and that all the rumours were bulltish.

because dogga was training separate to flagmantle in melbourne in the lead-in to their final season game at docklands vs footscray

it seems to be generally well accepted that he would like to move back to victoria, if possible, as his circumstances with his family have changed

the likelihood is that it's not possible

Edited September 4Sep 4 by whatwhat say what

33 minutes ago, GS_1905 said:

Where has this rumour reignited itself? i thought it was clear LJ was staying and that all the rumours were bulltish.

It hasn't. There's some people here hoping it will come to fruition.

On 04/09/2025 at 14:57, titan_uranus said:

If that's the asking price, we're not buying.

Maybe not but I am glad Old has brought a bit of reality to this.

Some here just navel gaze and whinge ‘big clubs get players for a packet of chips so we can too’ waaaah… ‘they just have to nominate us’ waaaah…

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

Maybe not but I am glad Old has brought a bit of reality to this.

Some here just navel gaze and whinge ‘big clubs get players for a packet of chips so we can too’ waaaah… ‘they just have to nominate us’ waaaah…

Cats paid pick 17 and 38 and got back 45 and Bailey Smith. Pick 17 ended up pick 20.

I would call that “a packet of chips” for Smith.

Could you name one other club that wouldn’t pay that for Smith at the time?

Edited September 6Sep 6 by Redleg

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Cats paid pick 17 and 38 and got back 45 and Bailey Smith. Pick 17 ended up pick 20.

I would call that “a packet of chips” for Smith.

Could you name one other club that wouldn’t pay that for Smith at the time?

It is a good deal for the Cats but Smith was out of contract, it does make a big difference to the asking price.

Aa @rpfc said, my post of 3 firsts plus McVee injects some reality into the discussion for both those that say it's impossible and those who believe it is possible.

Edited September 6Sep 6 by old55

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

I would call that “a packet of chips” for Smith.

53 minutes ago, old55 said:

It is a good deal for the Cats but Smith was out of contract, it does make a big difference to the asking price.

Aa @rpfc said, my post of 3 firsts plus McVee injects some reality into the discussion for both those that say it's impossible and those who believe it is possible.

And therein lies the problem. This trade does not reflect the worth of the player.

The players hold way too much power as it stands and are holding clubs to ransom. Doggies put a good 4-5 years of development into Smith and just has he comes home to roost, he demands a change. He is entitled to do so, no issue on that front, but the clubs have to pay fair value.

Geelong make a living out of this type of trade and they do it very very well. Normally you'd say ok, well done, but when a club makes finals 75% of the time in the last 2 decades and are in a PF every couple of years, you have to ask yourself is it an equal playing field.

I was thinking the other week how fans in European football league competitions must feel when the likes of Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc continue to win the league competitions year after year after year. Why would you bother supporting a mid-tier club when your chances of winning are next to zero. The AFL is fast becoming a competition that is going to resemble this if it is not careful. But we have a competition where clubs finishing in the top 4, get picks in the top 5 in the draft, or are able to get first dibbs on out-of-contract players.

In my view, its a simple fix, clubs in the top 4 (or something equivalent) should be taxed for NGA, F/S and out-of-contract players. Whether it is some type of salary cap tax, trade tax - i dont know- but we cannot allow these clubs to get a leg up on the other building / struggling teams.

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

Cats paid pick 17 and 38 and got back 45 and Bailey Smith. Pick 17 ended up pick 20.

I would call that “a packet of chips” for Smith.

Could you name one other club that wouldn’t pay that for Smith at the time?

You are quite excellent at not asking the pertinent question. I mean that as a compliment, really. It’s a good sign as a lawyer.

The situations are completely different and your question rhetorical and yet so irrelevant.

I’m hearing from people in the know that he’s hoping to be back in Victoria in late September.

Any chance the Mcvee contract situation has been put on hold on our end? We’d need to involve a player like Mcvee in a trade considering we don’t have a first rounder this year. Surely if there’s even a sniff that Jackson wants to come back to the Dees you’d look at trading others to gain capital too, near being one of the best players in the comp is Dogga

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

You are quite excellent at not asking the pertinent question. I mean that as a compliment, really. It’s a good sign as a lawyer.

The situations are completely different and your question rhetorical and yet so irrelevant.

Thanks for the compliment.

However, I am confused as to why you suggest I need to ask a question. I don’t even know what question you want me to ask.

I was simply replying to the post about the Cats getting players cheaply and giving an example of that.

I am not for one minute suggesting we could get Jackson as cheaply as that.

Warner to Freo

Curnow to Swans

LJ to Carlton

Does tick a lot of boxes ...

🤔

16 hours ago, GS_1905 said:

I was thinking the other week how fans in European football league competitions must feel when the likes of Man City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Bayern Munich, PSG, Real Madrid, Barcelona etc continue to win the league competitions year after year after year. Why would you bother supporting a mid-tier club when your chances of winning are next to zero. The AFL is fast becoming a competition that is going to resemble this if it is not careful

This is not a coincidence on the AFL’s part. The profitability and engagement of European football doesn’t waver, even though they have massive inequality. In fact successful clubs being constantly successful is more profitable.

The AFL took note. Big clubs playing in big games makes the game look huge. They no longer have any interest in seeing small clubs succeed. It’s not as profitable, and doesn’t drive engagement with the sport.