The use of the knee to inflict damage is probably one of the few acts that goes unpunished (mostly, or nearly all of the time) 

At suburban level back in the day, the use of the knee as a weapon was quite rampant 

Do people here remember when Hogan suffered vertebrae damage in a practice match against Geelong before he had played a senior AFL game? 

Can't remember which Geelong player inflicted the damage to Hogan but it might have even been 2 Geelong players (Hogan was playing in front) 

Missed the whole of the 2014 season (which was meant to be his debut season)

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3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

I have always believed that it was unintended.  I know most of you think otherwise.

Maynard, on the other hand ...

Moore leads with the knee deliberately.  He ended the seasons of two players this year with that action.  As Macca says, the other one suffered fractured vertebrae, which could have left him paralysed.  He's a dog of the highest order.  

As for Maynard, you will never convince me that an athlete capable of catching and moving on a ball in a fraction of a second didn't have time to register the contact (especially given he was the one who caused it) and react.  You can clearly see that Brayshaw saw him coming and tried to catch him.  In the same time, Maynard chose to turn and lead with his shoulder.  That wasn't bracing for impact, it was a choice to hurt someone.  

So yes I would be thrilled if they both had opponents jumping knee-first into their backs all day.  Maybe that would prompt the AFL to do something about players leading with the knee.  

6 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Moore leads with the knee deliberately.  He ended the seasons of two players this year with that action.  As Macca says, the other one suffered fractured vertebrae, which could have left him paralysed.  He's a dog of the highest order.  

As for Maynard, you will never convince me that an athlete capable of catching and moving on a ball in a fraction of a second didn't have time to register the contact (especially given he was the one who caused it) and react.  You can clearly see that Brayshaw saw him coming and tried to catch him.  In the same time, Maynard chose to turn and lead with his shoulder.  That wasn't bracing for impact, it was a choice to hurt someone.  

So yes I would be thrilled if they both had opponents jumping knee-first into their backs all day.  Maybe that would prompt the AFL to do something about players leading with the knee.  

Cant believe that nobody on this site has spoken out about this over the past 1 to 2 years.

Moore is indeed a sniping Dog who plays knee-first, whereas "Bruzzy" plays shoulder first.

We have a player on our list who is very highly rated, but chose to console the meathead who put his best mate into retirement. It's a glaring example of why we never win flags. Yes bloke, I'm speaking about you. You and your media followers know who you are.

Far too many supporters on this site who want to play kumbaya while being laughed at by the power cubs.

If we've been tracking AJ for years and think he could have an immediate impact why did we take Kentfield in the midsesson draft last season when AJ was available?

7 hours ago, Macca said:

The use of the knee to inflict damage is probably one of the few acts that goes unpunished (mostly, or nearly all of the time) 

At suburban level back in the day, the use of the knee as a weapon was quite rampant 

Do people here remember when Hogan suffered vertebrae damage in a practice match against Geelong before he had played a senior AFL game? 

Can't remember which Geelong player inflicted the damage to Hogan but it might have even been 2 Geelong players (Hogan was playing in front) 

Missed the whole of the 2014 season (which was meant to be his debut season)

I was watching some Rhettrospective on YouTube(inc. games from the 1960s) and it is interesting to note how umpires protected the ball-carrier, and a player's back couldn't be rammed and targeted, as is now commonplace. 

2 hours ago, bush demon said:

I was watching some Rhettrospective on YouTube(inc. games from the 1960s) and it is interesting to note how umpires protected the ball-carrier, and a player's back couldn't be rammed and targeted, as is now commonplace. 

Interesting pick up, bush demon

6 hours ago, faultydet said:

Cant believe that nobody on this site has spoken out about this over the past 1 to 2 years.

Can't believe this is your first post for a couple of years, @faultydet.  Where ya been?

2 hours ago, bush demon said:

I was watching some Rhettrospective on YouTube(inc. games from the 1960s) and it is interesting to note how umpires protected the ball-carrier, and a player's back couldn't be rammed and targeted, as is now commonplace. 

"Push in the back" free kicks in general play are an extinct species, they are never paid and players know they can drive forward in the tackle with impunity. This change was partly brought on by the playing community diving forward at the slightest pressure from behind to simulate "in the back" and umpires' reaction to ignore that. The pendulum has now swung too far in that direction now and blatant "in the back" frees go unpaid.

Let’s not waste our energy or time hoping we will in any way shape or form get aggressive with the Pies to make up for what’s happened in the past couple of season. 
Going of last season we are more likely to give them hugs and kisses than bumps or hard tackles. 
 

Harvey Langford is the only good thing to come out of our recent games against the filth. 

Edited November 29, 2024Nov 29 by Colm

23 hours ago, Colm said:

Have only watched small amount of Aidan’s highlights but going off the above description it sounds like he plays the role Petty played for us last year to a tee. If he can chop out even a little bit in the ruck, crash packs and bring ball to ground it makes the decision to drop Petty back to defence this year an easier one.
Be great to see him get some first team footy this year.  

Petty, for efficiency of effort and contribution, should be returned to the backline, full stop. His link-man roles are  going to be important down there, and I suspect that this will give Lever more freedom to 'roam in' for his intercepts and timing (for marks coming into or across the backline) - whilst Salem is a champ, he is unsuited to these roles of which he has been expected to imitate (mostly unsuccessfully). This will give some pivotal receives to Sparrow and Rivers, plus Windsor/Langdon and perhaps, some of the newer but enthusiastic forward-line equipment. Aiden is going to play a leading role, I hope, in assisting to create forward clearances, unsettle packs and forge space pathways for the more dedicated, leading forward assets. Carna far Ken Demons.

5 hours ago, Wrecker46 said:

If we've been tracking AJ for years and think he could have an immediate impact why did we take Kentfield in the midsesson draft last season when AJ was available?

So we could get both? 

Kentfield was playing WAFL, which sadly given it was once very strong, is less competitive than the VFL.

Better to get Special K into an elite environment and let AJ continue his development in the VFL.

1 hour ago, old55 said:

"Push in the back" free kicks in general play are an extinct species, they are never paid and players know they can drive forward in the tackle with impunity. This change was partly brought on by the playing community diving forward at the slightest pressure from behind to simulate "in the back" and umpires' reaction to ignore that. The pendulum has now swung too far in that direction now and blatant "in the back" frees go unpaid.

Drives me nut.

I reckon another factor is the AFL's desire to have fewer free kicks.

Just pay the frees that are there. The players will then adjust.

3 hours ago, Demonstone said:

Can't believe this is your first post for a couple of years, @faultydet.  Where ya been?

Got tired of being censored and banned.

 

Exciting draft for us this year hey? 

Langford excites me more than any draftee over the past decade. Those hands!

Foot skills and footy I.Q from XL. Adds something that's been missing from our midfield.

 

And our footy department recognizes that we have too many bruise free players in our forward line.

I'm hoping that Aidan Johnson plays round 1. We've needed a head-cracker for a long time.

16 hours ago, Demonstone said:

I have always believed that it was unintended.  I know most of you think otherwise.

Maynard, on the other hand ...

Now Demonstone old son, hope you are well! I played a lot of football and not once have I ever seen or witnessed anything like the action of that #%^&. NOT ONCE,! He become airborne with intent and concussed Gus... NEVER TO PLAY AGAIN. He certainly did not see it coming it was after the ball was away. Even allowing for this technicality rationale for getting of has more holes that a triple piece of swiss cheese. If it had of been Kossy he would have got 6 weeks. I'm still very angry about this whole event, the flowers, the chummy nature of some of our players in the next game, just a garbage result. I feel for Gus as I know many of us including independent supporter base of many clubs.

Edited November 30, 2024Nov 30 by picket fence

How are things in Camberwell today, Chris?

You might want to read my post again, but move your lips more slowly in an effort to comprehend what I said.

 

18 hours ago, RalphiusMaximus said:

Pretty sure the best way would be for Moore and Maynard's seasons to end on Queens Birthday.  

That would be Kings Birthday now 😊

1 hour ago, Demonstone said:

How are things in Camberwell today, Chris?

You might want to read my post again, but move your lips more slowly in an effort to comprehend what I said.

 

Burn baby burn, disco inferno!

4 hours ago, picket fence said:

Now Demonstone old son, hope you are well! I played a lot of football and not once have I ever seen or witnessed anything like the action of that #%^&. NOT ONCE,! He become airborne with intent and concussed Gus... NEVER TO PLAY AGAIN. He certainly did not see it coming it was after the ball was away. Even allowing for this technicality rationale for getting of has more holes that a triple piece of swiss cheese. If it had of been Kossy he would have got 6 weeks. I'm still very angry about this whole event, the flowers, the chummy nature of some of our players in the next game, just a garbage result. I feel for Gus as I know many of us including independent supporter base of many clubs.

I agree with most of the post except that I believe Maynard never intended to knock Gus out. I believe his intent was to make him earn it and wear one, but it went horribly wrong.

I think it is just wrong to think that the intention was to knock Gus out and end his career.

Believe me I am as angry as all of us at the circumstances and yes he should have got 6 weeks, but we know what the AFL is all about.

 

33 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I agree with most of the post except that I believe Maynard never intended to knock Gus out. I believe his intent was to make him earn it and wear one, but it went horribly wrong.

I think it is just wrong to think that the intention was to knock Gus out and end his career.

Believe me I am as angry as all of us at the circumstances and yes he should have got 6 weeks, but we know what the AFL is all about.

 

I have always been a big believer of this as well.

When a player leads with the shoulder and is off the ground running at an unprotected player running in the opposite direction, then the perpetrator has to know that he could knock a player unconscious

So saying it went horribly wrong doesn't let Maynard off the hook.  Don't do the act in the first place

There's a number of people here who have played footy where these sort of shirt-fronts were often the norm.  But you always knew they were despicable acts even when it was your own teammate as the perpetrator

So the action itself can have dire consequences and as it turned out, Brayshaw ended up having to retire because of the lethal hit

Anyway, Maynard will get his right whack one day.  For instance, the Darcy hit on Maynard (though illegal) could have had grave repercussions.  Could be that Darcy was following the code

Edited November 30, 2024Nov 30 by Macca

40 minutes ago, Macca said:

When a player leads with the shoulder and is off the ground running at an unprotected player running in the opposite direction, then the perpetrator has to know that he could knock a player unconscious

So saying it went horribly wrong doesn't let Maynard off the hook.  Don't do the act in the first place

There's a number of people here who have played footy where these sort of shirt-fronts were often the norm.  But you always knew they were despicable acts even when it was your own teammate as the perpetrator

So the action itself can have dire consequences and as it turned out, Brayshaw ended up having to retire because of the lethal hit

He could have actually killed Brayshaw or at least broken his neck and put him into a wheelchair

Anyway, Maynard will get his right whack one day.  For instance, the Darcy hit on Maynard (though illegal) could have had grave repercussions.  Could be that Darcy was following the code

Totally agree. I hate that we have to play the Pies twice again next year. We can’t afford the injuries or suspensions. 
 

I live for the day, sometime soon when Darsknee Moore and Brayden Mayncharge get their right whack but it won’t be from us. We are the nice guys. 

Edited November 30, 2024Nov 30 by Earl Hood

10 hours ago, old55 said:

"Push in the back" free kicks in general play are an extinct species, they are never paid and players know they can drive forward in the tackle with impunity. This change was partly brought on by the playing community diving forward at the slightest pressure from behind to simulate "in the back" and umpires' reaction to ignore that. The pendulum has now swung too far in that direction now and blatant "in the back" frees go unpaid.

It depends on the player as well. Nick Daicos can get tackled and it's a push in the back if he goes forwards or around the neck if he throws his head back.

Patrick Cripps 3 votes can get caught with the ball and swung around until he gets rid of it and play on.

6 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Totally agree. I hate that we have to play the Pies twice again next year. We can’t afford the injuries or suspensions. 
 

I live for the day, sometime soon when Darsknee Moore and Brandon Mayncharge get their right whack but it won’t be from us. We are the nice guys. 

I try not to let it eat away at me, EH

Every year is a new season and what is of high interest to me is having a talented and healthy list that can win enough games to play finals and beyond

What would really annoy me most of all is not having a team that can win.  That's depressing and often distressing

And we've seen enough of those types of years to last a lifetime

Win games, play good footy and get into contention and the punters are happy

Back on topic, I agree with @faultydet  that it seems we're looking to toughen up the forward line.  The drafting of the 2 big boys (Kentfield & Aidan) is the pointer

Definitely worth the punt as we've got plenty of the in-between types

We need a big bodied KF who can crash packs and throw his weight around with a bit of ruckwork thrown ... if it works it will allow us to use and develop JVR as a pure forward (I'd say at CHF)

Half our issues up forward have been structural.  Defenders don't like it when the ball is in dispute around the hot spot area ... but attacking via the boundary line makes the defenders breath easy

So we need 2 productive KF's with a 3rd forward capable of taking a grab (Turner?)

Do that and Kozzie, Trac, Melk, Chandler & Fritsch can chime in to kick a winning score

28 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

Totally agree. I hate that we have to play the Pies twice again next year. We can’t afford the injuries or suspensions. 
 

I live for the day, sometime soon when Darsknee Moore and Brayden Mayncharge get their right whack but it won’t be from us. We are the nice guys. 

Hopefully they're lining Kozzie up and he baulks leaving them to collide with each other...that would be a right whack.

6 hours ago, Macca said:

When a player leads with the shoulder and is off the ground running at an unprotected player running in the opposite direction, then the perpetrator has to know that he could knock a player unconscious

So saying it went horribly wrong doesn't let Maynard off the hook.  Don't do the act in the first place

There's a number of people here who have played footy where these sort of shirt-fronts were often the norm.  But you always knew they were despicable acts even when it was your own teammate as the perpetrator

So the action itself can have dire consequences and as it turned out, Brayshaw ended up having to retire because of the lethal hit

Anyway, Maynard will get his right whack one day.  For instance, the Darcy hit on Maynard (though illegal) could have had grave repercussions.  Could be that Darcy was following the code

Exactly! And sorry to have gone of the topic, Aiden will be a fine addition to the club😁

Edited November 30, 2024Nov 30 by picket fence