10 hours ago, JJJ said:

In his exit interview he raised that he’d like to one day captain the club.

Amazing at 21 he's already aspiring to lead this great club one day.

When he took his 4th AFL game by the scruff of its neck with 3 final-quarter goals, I thought this kid could be anything.

With time, I think someday he will indeed be captain. 

At the end of the season, I would have handed the Captaincy to Petracca and let Gawn focus on footy.

That, obviously, has been blown out of the water and leaves a big hole that the club would have expected to be filled by Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw and ANB.

 

The obvious void is a very specific, Gus shaped, one.

I’m on record as saying Lever needs to worry about his footy more than his leadership, he’s treading a fine line between being useful and a liability.

I’m not sure Rivers needs the pressure of leading others, he’s had some flashy games recently but has a decent way to go before he cements a midfield role, let alone a leadership position.

I think the cupboard is quite bare between Max/May and the rest

On 07/11/2024 at 19:43, chook fowler said:

Chandler must be a chance.

May not make our best team if Chin doesn’t start kicking more goals. Sorry but we need this vital component in the forward line to improve. 

9 hours ago, BW511 said:

I think the cupboard is quite bare between Max/May and the rest

Not sure I’m on the same page as you on May…. Reckon he might be more of a leadership problem than a talent in our side, particular outside of game time.

I acknowledge however he looks like a leader on game day in the backline with the way he works with Lever to hold the structure together (whether that is valued or loathed by the club and his teammates I am unsure… guessing a bit from column A and a bit from column B though).

6 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Not sure I’m on the same page as you on May…. Reckon he might be more of a leadership problem than a talent in our side, particular outside of game time.

I acknowledge however he looks like a leader on game day in the backline with the way he works with Lever to hold the structure together (whether that is valued or loathed by the club and his teammates I am unsure… guessing a bit from column A and a bit from column B though).

You may be right, certainly on game day he’s very vocal and direct with his feedback. 
 

Thinking about it more, I think his quarreling with Lever is over the top and probably a distraction on field for the younger blokes

I though Trac would be a future leader but this year shows he doesn't have it 

1 hour ago, BW511 said:

You may be right, certainly on game day he’s very vocal and direct with his feedback. 
 

Thinking about it more, I think his quarreling with Lever is over the top and probably a distraction on field for the younger blokes

I am certain Troy Chaplain would have made moves to eradicate this if he felt what you are intimating.

Yes in most team situations you would think it would be disruptive to the backline boys but I think it only is when something goes wrong so there is a genuine reason for some “collaboration”. 

I can’t say I have visually seen it live or really had it  bought  to attention on TV by commentators so your worries seem to be needless. They compare it to a husband and wife arguing in the kitchen!!! 

 

11 hours ago, BW511 said:

The obvious void is a very specific, Gus shaped, one.

I’m on record as saying Lever needs to worry about his footy more than his leadership, he’s treading a fine line between being useful and a liability.

I’m not sure Rivers needs the pressure of leading others, he’s had some flashy games recently but has a decent way to go before he cements a midfield role, let alone a leadership position.

I think the cupboard is quite bare between Max/May and the rest

Under your criteria NO ONE will be fit to leadership duties at our Club. 

Some players are leaders and your worry that say Lever has to be too concerned with his own play is over blown. Joe knows if he makes an error and he speaks quite authoritatively at pressers. He IMO could be a Captain. And how is Riv going to get experience if not encouraged in this fashion yo become a leader. He has already adopted better than your opinion by the Club and commentators plus experts this season to his role in the midfield. Sure he is not the finished product but generally is performing well. 

Look for what players have as attributes not what you see only they don’t. Faith in ability is a rewarding thing in Clubland. It creates positivity and spirit that helps breed success. 
 

3 hours ago, 58er said:

May not make our best team if Chin doesn’t start kicking more goals. Sorry but we need this vital component in the forward line to improve. 

Agree, if Chandler gets a game on his lackluster season just gone he will be playing magoos! As for notion of Captaincy?? Give the humour a miss!

Bella should be our next captain.

14 hours ago, TeamPlayedFine39 said:

At the end of the season, I would have handed the Captaincy to Petracca and let Gawn focus on footy.

That, obviously, has been blown out of the water and leaves a big hole that the club would have expected to be filled by Petracca, Oliver, Brayshaw and ANB.

 

Has Clarry ever been in the leadership group?

I get the feeling the big ROO is a future captain

21 hours ago, John Demonic said:

I'm guessing a leadership group of 5

I think bringing in Nathan Jones allows Viney and the rest of the mids to fall under his tutelage/leadership and focus more on pure footy

While Gawn takes the wider role of bringing in 4 others of that younger dem. Maybe Lever too.

 

Rivers VC is a big call though. Interesting!

 

 

 

Wasn’t really thinking Rivers for VC, more him coming into the LG

but who knows!

Gawn should keep the captaincy for as long as he wants. Nick Maxwell was a dud compared to past captains and did extremely well controlling a team with the [censored] likes of Didak, Shaw, Swan and Johnson.

Gawn is very much this style of leader and is 5x the player AND he still has at least 2 years of top level football left I reckon and any following years would see him taper off but still be an important contributor.

As long as he feels he can no longer mentally lead (or god forbid get injured and force early retirement), then the likes of McVee has a lot of time to further grow into the role should it arise. 

Edited November 9, 2024Nov 9 by VNightCityLegend

On 09/11/2024 at 08:06, 58er said:

I am certain Troy Chaplain would have made moves to eradicate this if he felt what you are intimating.

Yes in most team situations you would think it would be disruptive to the backline boys but I think it only is when something goes wrong so there is a genuine reason for some “collaboration”. 

I can’t say I have visually seen it live or really had it  bought  to attention on TV by commentators so your worries seem to be needless. They compare it to a husband and wife arguing in the kitchen!!! 

 

I think that our backline is well lead, Gus often referred to it as the Men’s department with much pride and it has been our strongest suite since 2020, the loss of Gus has hurt us much more than a lot realised and we now need a couple of Rivers, Judd, Bowey or Howes to step up and help fill the Gus void. 

23 hours ago, DubDee said:

Wasn’t really thinking Rivers for VC, more him coming into the LG

but who knows!

Agree with Ted and you DubDee, I would pencil Roo in as a potential Captain and I also think that Trent Rivers oozes leadership it just needs to be channeled, this new leadership development team that the club are bringing in will unearth and develop 4-6 new leaders that already exist within our group. Remember ANB as soon as he was bought into the leadership group his game went up several notches and continued to improve right up until his last game with us. With an ounce of luck we will bring in another this draft.

2 hours ago, DeeZone said:

I think that our backline is well lead, Gus often referred to it as the Men’s department with much pride...

Steven May is a former co-captain at the Suns of course. Jake Lever has that uncertain je ne sais quoi quality about him. Must be the iconic moustache. No problems channeling Captain Peacock or was it Group Captain Lionel Mandrake from Stanley Kubrick's darkly prophetic movie? Keep it hisute, Max the Beard to be succeeded by Captain Rick.

Good idea to bring in Young Leadership whilst Max & Co are still playing. 
Choco will know exactly who is ready as the Head of the DNA

Could see JVR as a future captain for sure.

 

In a few years I can definitely see a leadership group with Rivers JVR and Mcvee in it 

As others have stated I can see leadership in JVR and wouldn’t mind if he was brought into the leadership group as early as this season. He leads by example and brings a great positive energy. Would be great for him to learn of our current leaders and provide a good link to the younger players. 
 

Beyond that I’m not too sure what’s there. I could see the Kolt standing up once he goes up a level or two but I’m not sure we have many younger player that are born leaders. 
 

I think that leadership qualities is something we should be looking for with our top 10 picks this year. 

On 07/11/2024 at 20:06, The Jackson FIX said:

Putting 2 + 2 together it appears to me the club review uncovered that they need to relax and have more fun in their approach to footy.  That was Hawthorn last year and it sounds like Goody was told to lighten up. 

Maybe we should get Fev & Capper down to the club on a consulting basis?

Don't you mean Wacko Jacko and a few hand stands in the goal square?

I'd like to see Kozzie in the leadership group. Has the ability to impact games and lift the team, and has matured quickly as a dad given his young age.

6 minutes ago, PaulRB said:

I'd like to see Kozzie in the leadership group. Has the ability to impact games and lift the team, and has matured quickly as a dad given his young age.

I'm with you on this. I think it would assist his game,  and bring a different perspective to leadership. I think he is generally underrated with regard to his strength of character.

17 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

I'm with you on this. I think it would assist his game,  and bring a different perspective to leadership. I think he is generally underrated with regard to his strength of character.

Strength of character by getting suspended every single year?

How about he focuses more on being more discipline first before we talk leadership.