The Riak Andrew Thread

[dazzledavey36 55,318]

12 minutes ago, samcantstandya said:

We have 3 senior spots and 2 rookie cat A/B. We could select 2 out of Yze, Andrew or Ricky Mentha

We didn't nominate Yze as a father son.

He really isn't that good.

[DistrACTION Jackson 9,224]

His highlights look good… as always. Keen to get him as a Cat B rookie along with Mentha. Would be a great result for our academy and they would be two exciting players to watch develop at Casey.

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10 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

His highlights look good… as always. Keen to get him as a Cat B rookie along with Mentha. Would be a great result for our academy and they would be two exciting players to watch develop at Casey.

Seems we’ll be taking Andrew ahead of Yze

[Tarax Club 3,958]

Wouldn’t be relying on a late pick or rookie spot for this kid. Eureka if it somehow transpires otherwise fool’s gold.

Young Ooze looks a solid prospect but keep it hush.

Edited November 12 by Tarax Club
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[adonski 12,427]

2 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

Wouldn’t be relying on a late pick or rookie spot for this kid. Eureka if it somehow transpires otherwise fool’s gold.

Why? He's already been overlooked once

[Tarax Club 3,958]

Club recruiters would be well aware of him given his brother’s ascendancy at the Suns. Appears to have rebounded solidly from the previous season’s adversity. Fingers crossed but not holding my breath on draft night 2.

[Supreme_Demon 3,899]

Is Riak Andrew worth drafting?

 

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1 hour ago, Supreme_Demon said:

Is Riak Andrew worth drafting?

 

Will let you know in 5 years time.

[Whispering_Jack 30,640]

On 12/11/2024 at 21:32, dazzledavey36 said:

We didn't nominate Yze as a father son.

He really isn't that good.

Has it been reported anywhere that we haven’t nominated him as a father son?

[ChaserJ 5,157]

23 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

Has it been reported anywhere that we haven’t nominated him as a father son?

Cal Twomey tweeted the list f/s & academy nominees a few days ago, Melb nominees were Andrew & Mentha (no Yze).

[Whispering_Jack 30,640]

3 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

Cal Twomey tweeted the list f/s & academy nominees a few days ago, Melb nominees were Andrew & Mentha (no Yze).

I saw the tweet but it didn't look complete since it left out some well known father son nominations such as the Camporeale twins at Carlton and Tyler Welsh at Adelaide.

Yze did play at Casey a couple of times so it is a matter of interest for the club's fans & it seems like a case of poor communications from the club again (unless there's something top secret going on :))

[DeeSpencer 26,080]

17 minutes ago, Whispering_Jack said:

I saw the tweet but it didn't look complete since it left out some well known father son nominations such as the Camporeale twins at Carlton and Tyler Welsh at Adelaide.

Yze did play at Casey a couple of times so it is a matter of interest for the club's fans & it seems like a case of poor communications from the club again (unless there's something top secret going on :))

No it didn’t, just got to get to the 3rd image. We’ve never talked much about father sons and academy players pre draft, not sure the club is well served by coming out and announcing they don’t rate a player 

 

 

[Sideshow Bob 2,410]

Just looked up dates 

FS noms for draft bidding were due on October 31

Fs rookie list noms due 22 nov

If young Yze looks like a rookie pick as opposed to draft ready - we won't know until 22 nov

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5 hours ago, Sideshow Bob said:

Just looked up dates 

FS noms for draft bidding were due on October 31

Fs rookie list noms due 22 nov

If young Yze looks like a rookie pick as opposed to draft ready - we won't know until 22 nov

So essentially - our position is that we’re not prepared to draft him onto the primary list but could consider doing so for the rookie list if he’s not drafted in the main draft. 

[dazzledavey36 55,318]

https://berwicknews.starcommunity.com.au/sport/2024-11-17/berwicks-riak-andrew-on-the-map/

[BAMF 4,385]

On 14/11/2024 at 11:58, DeeSpencer said:

No it didn’t, just got to get to the 3rd image. We’ve never talked much about father sons and academy players pre draft, not sure the club is well served by coming out and announcing they don’t rate a player 

 

 

Just noticed that Sam Marshall is Brisbane academy despite playing for Sandy Dragons. That seems a bit on the nose for me and contradicts the reasons for the academy.

[Redleg 41,426]

5 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Just noticed that Sam Marshall is Brisbane academy despite playing for Sandy Dragons. That seems a bit on the nose for me and contradicts the reasons for the academy.

Surely it is time to stop these interstate NGA advantages.

 

[DeeSpencer 26,080]

15 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Just noticed that Sam Marshall is Brisbane academy despite playing for Sandy Dragons. That seems a bit on the nose for me and contradicts the reasons for the academy.

3 years at Melbourne Grammar. Played for Sandy Dragons. Even played for Vic Metro in under 16's until someone wised up and decided that would've looked horrendous if it continued in to under 18's. Genuine rort.

[Lucifers Hero 40,358]

43 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

https://berwicknews.starcommunity.com.au/sport/2024-11-17/berwicks-riak-andrew-on-the-map/

Interesting the article fails to mention he is an mfc NGA player and we can match a bid.

If they bid I reckon we will take him with pick 79.  Not exactly sure how the 'draft points system' works late in the draft.  I vaguely recall here is a time where the points less the 'discount' becomes zero or negative and a club can use their next available pick.  In our case 79 (or whatever it comes into).

Edited November 17 by Lucifers Hero

[DeeSpencer 26,080]

54 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Interesting the article fails to mention he is an mfc NGA player and we can match a bid.

If they bid I reckon we will take him with pick 79.  Not exactly sure how the 'draft points system' works late in the draft.  I vaguely recall here is a time where the points less the 'discount' becomes zero or negative and a club can use their next available pick.  In our case 79 (or whatever it comes into).

No idea if this has changed since but when they bought the bidding system in:

the listing of F/S players and local Academy graduates is facilitated in later rounds because the discount rises steadily from 20% in Round 1 to 100% at pick 56 (if a player is bid from this point, a Nominating Club need only use their last pick in the draft to list the player).

The other question I have is whether we can go in to deficit to match a bid in the 3rd round. We might be willing/able to do that if he gets through to the start of the 3rd round which could be about pick 45. So from the 3rd round and especially from 56 he becomes an easier chance to get to us.

Or he might purely be a Cat B Rookie in the eyes of our recruiting team.

[Lucifers Hero 40,358]

33 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

No idea if this has changed since but when they bought the bidding system in:

the listing of F/S players and local Academy graduates is facilitated in later rounds because the discount rises steadily from 20% in Round 1 to 100% at pick 56 (if a player is bid from this point, a Nominating Club need only use their last pick in the draft to list the player).

The other question I have is whether we can go in to deficit to match a bid in the 3rd round. We might be willing/able to do that if he gets through to the start of the 3rd round which could be about pick 45. So from the 3rd round and especially from 56 he becomes an easier chance to get to us.

Or he might purely be a Cat B Rookie in the eyes of our recruiting team.

Thanks for the quote.  My memory isn't so bad!  I don't think it has changed as again iirc that is how we got Woewodin.

To your other question, we could go into deficit if a bid is in the 3rd round.  It might get tricky because the draft points 'deficit' comes off our first bid in 2025 (and it would be a very low figure).  Right now that is a 2025 second round bid but I don't know what happens if we were to trade in a first round pick in 2025. 

I think rather than go into deficit we would make a pick swap on draft night juggling our future picks to get the required points for Riak.

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45 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Thanks for the quote.  My memory isn't so bad!  I don't think it has changed as again iirc that is how we got Woewodin.

To your other question, we could go into deficit if a bid is in the 3rd round.  It might get tricky because the draft points 'deficit' comes off our first bid in 2025 (and it would be a very low figure).  Right now that is a 2025 second round bid but I don't know what happens if we were to trade in a first round pick in 2025. 

I think rather than go into deficit we would make a pick swap on draft night juggling our future picks to get the required points for Riak.

I might be wrong here, but I believe that the deficit gets taken from the round in which a player gets bid on.

I.e. a bid on Andrew in the 3rd round causing a deficit would result in our future 3rd pick being shifted back and wouldn't affect selections in other rounds. Not sure how the rule would apply if we didn't have a future 3rd though.

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

So his nickname will be ‘Prince’.  The younger brother no one really wants???

[Redleg 41,426]

1 hour ago, buck_nekkid said:

So his nickname will be ‘Prince’.  The younger brother no one really wants???

Wouldn’t Harry be simpler?

[buck_nekkid 6,046]

14 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Wouldn’t Harry be simpler?

Prince Andrew…..