Wade Derksen

[goodwindees 2,488]

I should also say he said the young boy Brown, is a ripper to train and will do whatever it takes!!

[Adam The God 29,799]

9 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

But... but picket said...

[Sydee 4,328]

25 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

[adonski 11,262]

3 minutes ago, Sydee said:

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

Jefferson was a needs based selection in a weak draft. He has the natural ability, worth a punt.

Verrall was a rookie, Adams a later selection, they're gonna have their flaws.

[dazzledavey36 53,677]

6 minutes ago, Sydee said:

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

This is why Armstrong is a big no no for me. Lacks competitiveness and reminds me too much of Sam Weideman. 

 

[gs77 4,020]

8 minutes ago, Sydee said:

The assistant coach is spot on imo. It does make you wonder why all three were recruited when being highly competitive is kind of non-negotiable to succeed at the highest level.

It's also why when I look at a draft prospect like Armstrong I don't get the fierce competitor vibe. Tarau on the other hand looks to have it in spades 

Tarau's aerial work in his highlights was super impressive - pulling in contested marks from positions where by rights he shouldn't have been able to.

[gs77 4,020]

39 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

That's pretty depressing if our developing young key position players in each of the forward, ruck and defence positions are all lacking competitive drive. Hopefully some new assistant coaching voices and changes behind the scenes can give them a boost in this department.

[Roost it far 8,026]

1 hour ago, 58er said:

 

You could end up spot on and both Derksen and Jefferson will have long and successful careers. All I’m saying is that the odds are against Derksen and I don’t see it in Jefferson. I’d be stoked to be 100% wrong on both of them. Unfortunately for them I’m never wrong, maybe once but that was years ago. 

Edited Wednesday at 08:11 by Roost it far

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50 minutes ago, goodwindees said:

The concern recently from an assistant coach is whether Jefferson has that fierce competitive desire, and will do whatever it takes to be successful. 
He also shares the same concerns regarding Verrall & Adams.

He said that Kenterfield has that quality in spades and if he doesn’t succeed, it won’t be for lack of fierce effort. 

which assistant coach? A melbourne one? Casey? 

[dazzledavey36 53,677]

Trade period officially done.

No Derksen. 

[Tarax Club 3,820]

23 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

interesting to read that they are going to suspended for the opening rounds

sounds serious

Edited Wednesday at 09:01 by Tarax Club

[fr_ap 2,442]

14 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Trade period officially done.

No Derksen. 

Unreal

[DeeSpencer 25,206]

44 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This is why Armstrong is a big no no for me. Lacks competitiveness and reminds me too much of Sam Weideman. 

 

So did Harry McKay. So did Aaron Cadman more weeks than not. Meanwhile Weid crashed packs as a junior but never moved like an AFL athlete.
 

Our recruiters have focussed on physical competitiveness too much with young key forwards IMO. I’d prefer a guy who can run, jump, has skills and flair and as long as they’ve got some courage and ability to read the play let them develop their crash and bash once they get the bodies for it.

I have doubts on Jeffo because he seems a fairly plain athlete as well as the lack of grunt. But if he can build his strength, repeat speed and endurance at least he has the skills and smarts to capitalise on it.

[dazzledavey36 53,677]

4 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

So did Harry McKay. So did Aaron Cadman more weeks than not. Meanwhile Weid crashed packs as a junior but never moved like an AFL athlete.
 

Our recruiters have focussed on physical competitiveness too much with young key forwards IMO. I’d prefer a guy who can run, jump, has skills and flair and as long as they’ve got some courage and ability to read the play let them develop their crash and bash once they get the bodies for it.

I have doubts on Jeffo because he seems a fairly plain athlete as well as the lack of grunt. But if he can build his strength, repeat speed and endurance at least he has the skills and smarts to capitalise on it.

No that's entirely incorrect. McKay was still crashing packs at under 18 level, was doing it each week with Gippsland Power. Cadman is vanilla and will be nothing more then a good ordinary forward.

And who exactly are these competitive forwards that they've brought in? Schache? Jefferson? Fullarton? 

For me, Armstrong lacks intensity and second efforts. I see too much of Jefferson and Weideman in him. Not only that, hes a double grabber. I've watched games this year where whilst he puts himself in good easy position, he either doesn't complete his marks or double grabs.

[DeeSpencer 25,206]

16 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No that's entirely incorrect. McKay was still crashing packs at under 18 level, was doing it each week with Gippsland Power. Cadman is vanilla and will be nothing more then a good ordinary forward.

And who exactly are these competitive forwards that they've brought in? Schache? Jefferson? Fullarton? 

For me, Armstrong lacks intensity and second efforts. I see too much of Jefferson and Weideman in him. Not only that, hes a double grabber. I've watched games this year where whilst he puts himself in good easy position, he either doesn't complete his marks or double grabs.

Have to agree to disagree on Harry, but I recall at the time Ben looked the more physical and aggressive player. Harry took some great grabs but was hit or miss at the contest to me. The Weid was well known for crashing packs. Turns out that’s about all he did.

Hogan (had many other strengths), Weid, Liam Hulett!, Kentfield, Tim ‘Bull’ Smith, JVR have been a few of the allegedly physical key forwards we’ve drafted in JT’s time. 

Schache and Fullarton have been desperate throws at the stumps looking for guys with athleticism. Jackson had both but without forward craft.

I think Armstrong has a bigger frame and slightly more athleticism than Jeffo. Plus the left foot. But I agree it’s not all there. If he was the real deal he’d have kicked 4+ a week at Sandy with their quality midfield supply. I’d still be happy to take him with a late first for a team that hadn’t used 2 firsts for young talls recently. 

[Demons11 6,847]

No big loss 

[Tarax Club 3,820]

8 minutes ago, Demons11 said:

No big loss 

Dodged a bullet IMO

[Demons11 6,847]

Just now, Tarax Club said:

Dodged a bullet IMO

💯 

[Supreme_Demon 3,582]

I do kind of feel sorry for Wade Derksen.

It could of been a very simple trade.

Especially after GWS got Jake Stringer late from Essendon.

Anyway, no big loss. But a little disappointing for Wade and his young family.

[Demon Disciple 11,909]

1 hour ago, Roost it far said:

Unfortunately for them I’m never wrong, maybe once but that was years ago. 

You forgot to mention that your miss was due to a technicality

[Deemania since 56 6,584]

4 hours ago, 58er said:

Really you know the fringe players odds ?

And why do you rate Derkson a fringe player. 
Ge has been in the system for 2 and a half years without any opportunity in the AFL at one of the better lists of 2024/25.

He has similar stats to Matty Jefferson probably more versatile and is 2 years on At least. I repeat no senior AFL games yet after a mid year recruit of 2022.

Just like Matty the jury is out on his career until he gets an opportunity. Worth considering given our key position and Ruck options forward  and back and on ball. 

He. Could be a 10 year player and I value players from GWS more than half or 2/3 other Clubs in the AFL if you look at their backgrounds in development and nurturing. Funny how they have a good record in providing more than fringe players. 
Might I remind you of Frosty snd Dom Tyson both very handy players no stars but AFL calibre at two Clubs. Thats pedigree I like to take a chance on and lastly he has 3 kids and a wife plus family support in Melbourne. That may be worth a real throw at the stumps for a young man trying to get places in the AFL system. 
Let’s go hard for him. 

Informative, 58. Worth some consideration - it could be an opportunity.

[picket fence 16,855]

So Derky Wadescome with 0 games is a huge loss??? PARK ME!

[layzie 33,585]

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

No that's entirely incorrect. McKay was still crashing packs at under 18 level, was doing it each week with Gippsland Power. Cadman is vanilla and will be nothing more then a good ordinary forward.

And who exactly are these competitive forwards that they've brought in? Schache? Jefferson? Fullarton? 

For me, Armstrong lacks intensity and second efforts. I see too much of Jefferson and Weideman in him. Not only that, hes a double grabber. I've watched games this year where whilst he puts himself in good easy position, he either doesn't complete his marks or double grabs.

From the footage I've watched he looks a bit like a stat sheet forward and mainly about the marks, kicks, goals. That's not a bad thing if you're very good at it but it's what these types of players do when they are out of a contest that matters. Can they get it to ground? Flick it onto a small forward? Make good second efforts and tackle hard? Or do they check out? It's something that bothers me a bit with Max King. 

If we're going for a KPF I'd love a work rate team oriented one.

 

[Sydee 4,328]

8 minutes ago, picket fence said:

So Derky Wadescome with 0 games is a huge loss??? PARK ME!

Jefferson has 0 games 

Would him going be no loss for you ? 
 

I’m not that fussed about not getting Wade but the 0 games is a bit tough 

[Pennant St Dee 12,867]

3 hours ago, Adam The God said:

But... but picket said...

That’s a kiss of death within itself