22 hours ago, redandbluemakepurple said:

Easily done.  The club knows how many times the card/phone was scanned for each membership.  Just refuse to renew their membership if too low.  They may well have other interests or family duties preventing attendance but are renewing out of loyalty.  So win-win if MFC knock them back. 

If I’m interpreting what you are saying correctly, that’s a very hasty, narrow minded, ill informed, ignorant, and dare I say it, hurtful comment.      
I’m a 45+ year premium member who lives interstate.  I pay a large sum of money each year, for my myself and my ‘one eyed’ Demon family members, as a pledge of loyalty and financial support for the Club l love, and have barracked for since the 1950s.    
We travel to as many games as I can each year, but I admit that it’s probably less than 20% of games!    
After the loyalty and support I’ve shown to our Club, I’m astounded that you would suggest that me and my family to be denied membership in 2025 and beyond!

“Win-win if the MFC knocks them back”?   I don’t get it!  
I doubt the MFC would either.

PS.  I unreservedly apologise if I have completely misinterpreted your post!

 

Edited September 3, 2024Sep 3 by Deeoldfart

1 hour ago, daisycutter said:

I'm not against an external review

but don't kid yourselves the external "independent" reviews are the be all and end.

the terms of reference (which you will probably never know) are absolutely key here

most organisations who open themselves up to a review like to carefully curate the process, set the limits and importantly pay the reviewer who operates under conditions of privacy including the findings.

we've all seen plenty of political reviews/inquiries/whatever where the end result was predetermined or at least managed.

so, have a review but don't get your expectations unrealistically high

 

We had the external review by one of the big 4 consultants back when Cam Schwab was in charge in 2012? While the club was totally imploding that was obvious to everyone, the review, according to Cam came up with very little, apparently. Well that’s according to Cam who never released the report nor did he do jack**** about any of its findings. If we have a review, its findings must be made public. 

Edited September 3, 2024Sep 3 by Earl Hood

25 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

We had the external review by one of the big 4 consultants back when Cam Schwab was in charge in 2012? While the club was totally imploding that was obvious to everyone, the review, according to Cam came up with very little, apparently. Well that’s according to Cam who never released the report nor did he do jack**** about any of its findings. If we have a review, its findings must be made public. 

That’s perfectly sensible!

I was curious as to what Jones’s said in full in that SEN interview so here it is:

Timmeh Watson:

‘Would you, being a past player, and having an acute understanding of the way the club works, and you obviously weee teammates with a lot of these guys in the time you played, would favour the club having an external review of its culture?’

 

Jones:

‘ahhh yeah I reckon I would Tim, to be honest. I think umm, I felt frustrated particularaly for the senior players over the last 12-18 months from a PR and narrative point of view. It’s been frustrating and some may let those senior boys down to a certain degree, so I think that would be worthwhile if there’s nothing to hide I think it would be beneficial.

I think particularly from a public perspective, that the advantages in doing that, but ultimately mate that will be a decision that comes from people far higher and much more important than me.
 

It’s nice to have see Tracc come out and commit and hopefully even off the back of this, whatever side of the fence you live on, hopefully it will instigate some change and Melbourne can kind of, re-direct and start flying straight again and hopefully be back in contention for next season.’

 

41 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

We had the external review by one of the big 4 consultants back when Cam Schwab was in charge in 2012? While the club was totally imploding that was obvious to everyone, the review, according to Cam came up with very little, apparently. Well that’s according to Cam who never released the report nor did he do jack**** about any of its findings. If we have a review, its findings must be made public. 

in your dreams

3 hours ago, Biffen said:

When it comes to self- sacrifice I'm much like the bugler at the start of Peter Sellers "The Party".

 

7 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

There is a certain Court Case that could do exactly the same thing, so it may well be worth doing the external review, before that happens…

And rid elements that could cause the club and board to lose focus on being the best we can be in 2025.

4 hours ago, daisycutter said:

I'm not against an external review

but don't kid yourselves the external "independent" reviews are the be all and end.

the terms of reference (which you will probably never know) are absolutely key here

most organisations who open themselves up to a review like to carefully curate the process, set the limits and importantly pay the reviewer who operates under conditions of privacy including the findings.

we've all seen plenty of political reviews/inquiries/whatever where the end result was predetermined or at least managed.

so, have a review but don't get your expectations unrealistically high

 

That's fine. Like the Trac stuff should have been, the results of the external review should be kept in house...

Get Jordan Lewis & Nathan Jones to talk to everyone involved, look at communication, game plan, list management, recruitment, player development, fitness, etc & produce a 2 page report with recommendations. Should take about 2 weeks.

5 hours ago, Adam The God said:

And rid elements that could cause the club and board to lose focus on being the best we can be in 2025.

That's fine. Like the Trac stuff should have been, the results of the external review should be kept in house...

Communications with members, and in general, have been very poor and will be one of the main areas the review will cover. There will need to be some level of transparency around the results of the review otherwise how can we have confidence it has been conducted properly. That doesn't mean people get machine gunned but i expect high level recommendations and plan to implement are made public.

And besides, results will probably be leaked anyways. Get on the front foot if nothing else.

 

5 hours ago, Cranky Franky said:

Get Jordan Lewis & Nathan Jones to talk to everyone involved, look at communication, game plan, list management, recruitment, player development, fitness, etc & produce a 2 page report with recommendations. Should take about 2 weeks.

Solved! Does the 2 pages include a cover page?

Comfortable in the knowledge now that future premiership success awaits!

14 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

There is a certain Court Case that could do exactly the same thing, so it may well be worth doing the external review, before that happens…

Absolutely spot on Sir

Its going to be a real cluster May be better for the club to preempt the outcome with a proper review

On 03/09/2024 at 20:45, Deeoldfart said:

If I’m interpreting what you are saying correctly, that’s a very hasty, narrow minded, ill informed, ignorant, and dare I say it, hurtful comment.      
I’m a 45+ year premium member who lives interstate.  I pay a large sum of money each year, for my myself and my ‘one eyed’ Demon family members, as a pledge of loyalty and financial support for the Club l love, and have barracked for since the 1950s.    
We travel to as many games as I can each year, but I admit that it’s probably less than 20% of games!    
After the loyalty and support I’ve shown to our Club, I’m astounded that you would suggest that me and my family to be denied membership in 2025 and beyond!

“Win-win if the MFC knocks them back”?   I don’t get it!  
I doubt the MFC would either.

PS.  I unreservedly apologise if I have completely misinterpreted your post!

 

No offence taken by me if applicable. Your offence is regretted and unexpected colateral damage.

I was ridiculing those who think that they can persuade members to attend by slagging off at them  That only works if they have something to cow them with.

On 03/09/2024 at 19:47, Superunknown said:

Right so punishing the most loyal - super business, that.

My post was intended to be ironic by taking the action against those not attending matches, up a couple of notches.

This post aged really well - just saying 

On 03/09/2024 at 20:58, Earl Hood said:

We had the external review by one of the big 4 consultants back when Cam Schwab was in charge in 2012? While the club was totally imploding that was obvious to everyone, the review, according to Cam came up with very little, apparently. Well that’s according to Cam who never released the report nor did he do jack**** about any of its findings. If we have a review, its findings must be made public. 

We have just had our dirty laundry aired out in the public eye for the last 3 months, and you want an external review containing all our flaws send to McClure and Morris for more punishment??

According to Morris on SEN we are having an external review 

17 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

According to Morris on SEN we are having an external review 

Morris doing a Sandra Sully with the late news.

On 03/09/2024 at 20:58, Earl Hood said:

We had the external review by one of the big 4 consultants back when Cam Schwab was in charge in 2012? While the club was totally imploding that was obvious to everyone, the review, according to Cam came up with very little, apparently. Well that’s according to Cam who never released the report nor did he do jack**** about any of its findings. If we have a review, its findings must be made public. 

The Andrews report in 2011? Yeah that's still buried in the backyard somewhere.. 

https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/melbourne-demons-bring-in-former-all-blacks-manager-darren-shand-to-play-key-role-in-external-review-c-15985064

Morris suggested on SEN that there might be some casualties in the football department.

When Cornes asked if Goodwin was safe, Morris wouldn't 100% commit to the idea but that his 2 years on his contract will save him.

Tells me that while Goodwin is safe for next year, he needs to have a much better year if he wants to see out 2026.

 

3 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Morris suggested on SEN that there might be some casualties in the football department.

When Cornes asked if Goodwin was safe, Morris wouldn't 100% commit to the idea but that his 2 years on his contract will save him.

Tells me that while Goodwin is safe for next year, he needs to have a much better year if he wants to see out 2026.

 

If the outcome of the review is to overhaul the football dept and surround Goodwin with fresh people and we rock up next year with all the same problems then he will be gone pretty quickly I would think.

Only way he goes is if the review turns up some massive red flag that makes his job untenable. I doubt that happens.

I have no idea how we don't ruin our soft cap if we want to make multiple changes to the FD. Everyone is contracted as far as I can tell.

 

24 minutes ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Morris suggested on SEN that there might be some casualties in the football department.

When Cornes asked if Goodwin was safe, Morris wouldn't 100% commit to the idea but that his 2 years on his contract will save him.

Tells me that while Goodwin is safe for next year, he needs to have a much better year if he wants to see out 2026.

 

Morris also said that Shand would run the 'external' review in conjunction with Pert and Green. Also stated that the Football Dept is the focus. 

Not quite the whole of club, external review I was hoping for and that is required.

For anybody interested in what Darren Shand might bring to the table with this review, I found the below very insightful. Feel like nothing but good can come from having somebody of his caliber cast his eyes over our operation.
 

 

Disappointed that this isn’t a full external review as initially reported but I do think there are contract and soft cap concerns if we were to make mass changes in our administration (had a fully external review called for this)

And at the end of the day it is the FD that is responsible for our on field performance and I’m glad that this will be the primary focus of the review, as for better or worse it is clearly the area that will dictate our performance in 2025 more than any other