10 minutes ago, Wizard of Koz said:

How come you did the Capital letter in words thing? That would be fairly annoying and time wasting to write I presume?

It's an internet meme used to convey a tone of stupidity

Would hope some performance outcomes related to such a contract.

You dont want complacency to lower performance but there must be reasonable security for injury or other non player controlled output. Ie if dropped for balance or managed reason.

Could even include bonus payments for team related contributions. To ensure individual action to meet performance measures do not override team success.

13 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

little Ralph

It should be in the Constitution that you have to call him this.

13 hours ago, layzie said:

No, no, I think it's a great idea because he's torn up so many games playing in the middle with 30 plus possessions and a beacon of consistency.

Let's make sure we throw every last bit of our cap at Kozzie and make it the least team friendly contract possible. We dont need a key forward or any other pieces You said it yourself we'll be bursting at the seems with nothing left for anyone else. There is nothing risky about it at all and no-one will be annoyed when he misses games with his token suspensions.

My take is what it is, don't let it spoil the mood. I couldn't give a stuff anymore and if people don't like the lack of pom-pom flogging and feel good [censored] then I obviously don't belong here anymore.

I get what you’re saying Layzie. It’s a massive contract when we already have others tied in on very long expensive contracts.

The length concerns me more than the value. $1.4m is what he’s worth to offer him less would be unders when the likes of Trac and Clarry are in as much as maybe more( I’ve seen figures as high as $1.7m this year). Ruckmen are getting paid $1.4m these days. I thought Jackson on $900k was to expensive until I looked at what some others are getting.

The length of the contract is a worry for me. We’ve already seen it okay out that form and injuries can have a massive effect on players ability to give value for money.

But any club that comes in for him would have to be offering 7 years as that what the top players are being offered now. Freo already have Young and I thing Jackson on similar terms. By going to 9 it means we can’t be beaten.

It also sets his trade value should he choose not to stay. The biggest contract offer in AFL would require just about the biggest trade deal ever.

9 hours ago, DeelightfulPlay said:

It's an internet meme used to convey a tone of stupidity

There you go, you learn something every day.

I just love kozzie, I don't care about the $$$ it would break my and my kids heart to see him in purple

4 minutes ago, Colm said:

I get what you’re saying Layzie. It’s a massive contract when we already have others tied in on very long expensive contracts.

The length concerns me more than the value. $1.4m is what he’s worth to offer him less would be unders when the likes of Trac and Clarry are in as much as maybe more( I’ve seen figures as high as $1.7m this year). Ruckmen are getting paid $1.4m these days. I thought Jackson on $900k was to expensive until I looked at what some others are getting.

The length of the contract is a worry for me. We’ve already seen it okay out that form and injuries can have a massive effect on players ability to give value for money.

But any club that comes in for him would have to be offering 7 years as that what the top players are being offered now. Freo already have Young and I thing Jackson on similar terms. By going to 9 it means we can’t be beaten.

It also sets his trade value should he choose not to stay. The biggest contract offer in AFL would require just about the biggest trade deal ever.

It also lets the dee faithful know that IF he leaves that did absolutely everything in their power to keep him. We cant have done any more.

Just now, Rocknroll said:

I just love kozzie, I don't care about the $$$ it would break my and my kids heart to see him in purple

This is a very important point to harp on about.

The money Kosi makes the club by getting people to watch games, and his marketing value, is totally underrated.

He is a guy your kids want to watch play, and keeps them connected and invested in the club as they grow up.

There is more to this than just keeping a bloody good player in the team.

If this contract gets signed, we should all be extremely happy! It would be sensational news for our club.

1 minute ago, Wells 11 said:

It also lets the dee faithful know that IF he leaves that did absolutely everything in their power to keep him. We cant have done any more.

Yup, would also be a bit of a statement if we can get him to sign. All the negative stories that have been in the media and yet our best talent is willing to sign on for life. Would be a good step in the right directions towards attracting other players to come. Who wouldn’t like to play with Kossie.

9 minutes ago, Rocknroll said:

I just love kozzie, I don't care about the $$$ it would break my and my kids heart to see him in purple

My son is 5 years old and absolutely idolises Kozzie.. I couldn't look him in the eye and tell him he has gone to another team, it would break his little heart.

All the - I hate long term deals - folks

if we didn’t sign up Trac and Clarry for long deals they’d probably be playing for the Blues and Cats respectively right now! and we would have gotten a free agency pick for them

I will say that having worked in an investment firm who has had AFL players as clients, what they are reported to be paid isn't always accurate.

I had a fairly high profile AFL player about 6-7 years ago I was dealing with in Victoria and he was earning about $200k less than what was reported....

In any case, Pickett is an absolute gun and could be a top 10 player as early as the end of 2025. Also, if his salary isn't indexed to the salary cap increases then in 4-5 years it could be a much smaller % of the cap. You just have to trust the club know what they are doing in regards to the amounts and number of years.

Kozzi has earnt a long term deal by being an ultimate pro from an 18yo

His aggression, committment along with skill and pace are extremely rare. He could be a top 10 player in the league for the next 8 years and kick 500 goals and a bazillion clearances

31 minutes ago, Colm said:

I get what you’re saying Layzie. It’s a massive contract when we already have others tied in on very long expensive contracts.

The length concerns me more than the value. $1.4m is what he’s worth to offer him less would be unders when the likes of Trac and Clarry are in as much as maybe more( I’ve seen figures as high as $1.7m this year). Ruckmen are getting paid $1.4m these days. I thought Jackson on $900k was to expensive until I looked at what some others are getting.

The length of the contract is a worry for me. We’ve already seen it okay out that form and injuries can have a massive effect on players ability to give value for money.

But any club that comes in for him would have to be offering 7 years as that what the top players are being offered now. Freo already have Young and I thing Jackson on similar terms. By going to 9 it means we can’t be beaten.

It also sets his trade value should he choose not to stay. The biggest contract offer in AFL would require just about the biggest trade deal ever.

This is a very important plan B strategy.

We're playing a big game here and forces Flogmantle or West Coke to pay up big and at least if he goes we get proper compensation.

I'm hoping Kozzi takes our deal and stays

I am incredibly excited about taking my 4 and 3 year old to see Kozzy light up the G in the mighty red and blue for years to come. He is so much more than a player that can provide W's, he puts bums on seats, he makes us relevant, and he is a walking highlights reel.

We really got the second coming of Cyril (and then some)!

10 hours ago, Roost it far said:

There’s not a club in the land that couldn’t work out how to get Koz on their list if he wanted to come. Players retire, players get traded, front and back loading, a rising cba, where there’s a will there’s a way.

Sure, every club would love koz but that's why there is a salary cap.

As Jaded notes i forgot Bolton, who must be on huge coin and Young, who has just re-signed.

To match what the dees seem to be offering koz, Freo would likely have to cut at least top 10 players, who unless coming out of contract would have to agree to any move, not to mention there being a in willing and able to pick them up and match their salary.

And then there's the issue of list balance one from has already had issues with by spending so much capital (salary and contract length) on Jackson when they already had a highly paid number one ruck in Darcy.

Bolton plays almost exactly the same role koz would - damaging small forward who can run thru the middle. As noted, they are paying him a motza.

Adding koz on a contract that matches our offer would mean having aprox 2.5 million dollars a year or their salary cap tied up in small forwards.

And then there's team culture considerations. If Freo were to match our offer koz would likely instantly become their highest paid players.

Which might, or might not cause ructions, but it certainly would likely result in up and coming players like Treacey looking elsewhere in the knowledge they won't be able to command anywhere near same coin at Freo as they would on the open market.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by binman

10 minutes ago, binman said:

Sure, every club would love koz but that's why there is a salary cap.

As Jaded notes i forgot Bolton, who must be on huhlge coin and Young, who has just resigned.

To match what the dees seem to be offering koz, Freo would likely have to cut at least top 10 players, who unless coming out of contract would have to agree to any move, not to mention there being a in willing and able to pick them up and match their salary.

And then there's the issue of list balance one from has already had issues with by spending so much capital (salary and contract length) on Jaxkson when they already had a highly paid number one ruck in Darcy.

Bolton plays almost exactly the same role koz would - damaging small forward who can run thru the middle. As noted they are paying him.a motza.

Adding koz on a contract that matches our offer would mean having aprox 2.5 million dollars a year or their salary cap tied up in small forwards.

And then there's team culture considerations. If Freo were to match our offer koz would likely instanlty become their highest paid players.

Which might, or might not cause ructions, but it certainly would likely result in up and coming players like Tracey looking elsewhere in the knowledge they won't be able to command anywhere near same coin as Freo as they would on the open market.

I did mention it earlier in the thread that I didn’t think it made a heap of sense for Freo to go for Kossie when they have just signed Bolton on big coin for two first round draft picks. As well as the $2.5m in cap space you’re also looking at 5 first round picks all up imho.

Add Murphy Reid into the equation who has been brilliant this year and I rate very very highly. Vic clubs will come hard for him over the next couple of years Freo will need to match offers.

It’s just way too much capital to put out on small forward types even if they are spending time in the middle

Also Freo made it known earlier this season that they were going to priorities Chad Warner above Kossie.

I am super excited to see this deal come to a close. Kozzy is the kind of player you can build a list around and I will be supremely confident success is on our future with him as our no 1 star player.

Regarding the Jacko trade, I feel like the club purposefully spin doctored some rumours to mess with Freo. Is it a coincidence both players were 'caught' texting old teammates?

1 hour ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I will say that having worked in an investment firm who has had AFL players as clients, what they are reported to be paid isn't always accurate.

I had a fairly high profile AFL player about 6-7 years ago I was dealing with in Victoria and he was earning about $200k less than what was reported....

In any case, Pickett is an absolute gun and could be a top 10 player as early as the end of 2025. Also, if his salary isn't indexed to the salary cap increases then in 4-5 years it could be a much smaller % of the cap. You just have to trust the club know what they are doing in regards to the amounts and number of years.

i think it's fairly well known that these contract estimates are just that - wild estimates

i remember gus and gawny used to just laugh at the estimates that the little paper would run with; always said 'i wish i was earning that!'

i think there's a big difference between 'capacity to earn' and 'actually earn'

1 hour ago, Rocknroll said:

I just love kozzie, I don't care about the $$$ it would break my and my kids heart to see him in purple

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

This is a very important point to harp on about.

The money Kosi makes the club by getting people to watch games, and his marketing value, is totally underrated.

He is a guy your kids want to watch play, and keeps them connected and invested in the club as they grow up.

There is more to this than just keeping a bloody good player in the team.

If this contract gets signed, we should all be extremely happy! It would be sensational news for our club.

Absolutely. My 10 year old kids were totally mortified at the prospect of Kozzie going to another club.

He's the main reason they're interested in the MFC (aside from my relentless brainwashing since birth, haha!)

Edited June 11Jun 11 by Deemented Are Go!

1 hour ago, dazzledavey36 said:

My son is 5 years old and absolutely idolises Kozzie.. I couldn't look him in the eye and tell him he has gone to another team, it would break his little heart.

Your little boy will be fine, as will the many, many little kids with #36 on their jumpers ♥️💙

i love Kos and I accept that I'm an outlier in this discussion but I see this potential deal as a lose/lose . If he gets seriously injured gets too comfortable or has a form drop off we are stuck with a huge contract for who knows how long .If he continues to star but gets homesick we then are in exactly the same position we are in now save that we cannot extend further.He will ask to leave for family reasons and that will be that .

He is 100 percent absolutely worth the money this decade. 2033 and 2034 is another story but I guess none of the football department really have to worry about that because they probably wont be here. The supporters will be tho.

Edited June 11Jun 11 by Jjrogan

10 minutes ago, Jjrogan said:

He is 100 percent absolutely worth the money this decade. 2033 and 2034 is another story but I guess none of the football department really have to worry about that because they probably wont be here. The supporters will be tho.

By 2033, $1.3mil will be a stock standard salary.

Given how the Brayshaw, Viney and Oliver deals have panned out, I find it unbelievable that the club would go down that path again so soon.

I love Pickett and would love for him to play his entire career at the club, but locking him up for 9 years (irrespective of the money) is just ridiculous.

There is really no downside for Pickett, as he gets paid whatever happens. And, if the west is calling out to him in a couple of years, does he put out his hand for another pay rise?

All the risk is with the club who is stuck with a contract for a player who could lose form or interest in the game, or get seriously injured at any time. And let's be honest, in 9 years time he may well reach the 16 week suspension threshold for automatic deregistration from the league.

If we can find some middle ground and give him 5-6 years, that would be perfect.