How Many Weeks For Kozzy?

[Megatron 882]

I’m at a point of beyond caring about anything football related. I’m just about done.

[Kick_It_To_Pickett 3,291]

What was the ratio decidendi ? 

[Earl Hood 6,057]

When it comes to the time for the club to submit its preferences for next years fixture can we ask not to play the Pies at all? Everytime we play these bastards we loose one of our best players for weeks, months or their career! Brayshaw, Tracc, now Kossie!  And zero just desserts for that runt Moore. 

[jnrmac 19,890]

14 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Stop using Anderson

dear me 

can we appeal with a different lawyer?!

Seriously this.

 

How stupid are we to keep using the same imbecile for the same result

[Redleg 39,978]

46 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Robbo on 360 agreed with Lyon, Brown, Buckley and Lewis that Kozzie should get off and had no case to answer.

Who was the Tribunal Chairman, was it the Pies supporting Gleeson again?

So Gleeson, as I believe a Pies supporter, was allowed again to sit as Tribunal Chairman, on an incident involving a Pies player, in fact the Pies Captain.

We should have sought his removal at the start of the hearing due to possible conflict and bias.

The old legal maxim of "justice not only has to be done, it has to be seen to be done".

This from the Maynard case from Will Schofield.

West Coast premiership player Schofield, who had been predicting a ban for Maynard all week, was fuming over the decision. He'd earlier tweeted: "I think this Maynard case is very different if he actually smothers the ball. He didn’t smother the ball. Just jumped in the air and then knocked out an opponent.

"In the end, where you sit on this Maynard tribunal decision comes down to whether you like Collingwood or not. Let’s be honest."

After the decision he added: "Also while I’m at it. Jeff Gleeson, the chair of the tribunal this evening, is both independent and a Collingwood supporter.

 

Edited August 27 by Redleg

[Redleg 39,978]

7 minutes ago, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

What was the ratio decidendi ? 

The accused was a Demons player and the victim was a Pies' Captain.

[Gunna’s 2,092]

Denis Denuto is harder hitting than Anderson……it’s the vibe  

 

[pitmaster 3,442]

Next time Moore drops to his knees just keep running. Over the top of him if necessary. Just keep hunting the ball.

[chookrat 4,201]

I cannot believe we used the language that Moore 'dropped to his knees' rather than 'slid into the contest'. The latter would have provided a clear argument that sliding is not a reasonable action and therefore not something Kossie would have reasonably expected. There is no point appealing this now as we cannot make this argument on appeal.

Does anyone know whether Anderson was the lawyer we used for JVR's appeal?

Finally in the off season we should train to slide into ground ball contests and use our knees in aerial contests against the filth.

[Kiss of Death 732]

It’s just infuriating.
 

Blind Freddy can see the outcomes in advance, we are paying good money to have our representatives set up our players to fail. Why oh why is Zita advising that Angry Anderson references ‘bumps’ rather than making a strong point about a ‘contest for a ball’, and unless somebody tells me otherwise I have to feel that there wasn’t even any discussion about how the sliding action undertaken by Moore impacted Kozzie’s legs in an illegal manner and actively caused the contact. At the start when the discussion was about how Koz got low at the contest it looked like for once we were going to focus on something that had a chance, but it went nowhere. Again. 

I would also bet that no discussion was made about at which point the AFL assumed that be needed to apply his additional duty of care when Moore illegally slid into him, and exactly how long he had to respond, and how there was not even time for him to react because he was TRYING TO WIN A CONTEST AND NOT TO BUMP 

once again, Melbourne loses out, we will have all the imbeciles on Twitter calling him a sniper and dirty and a dog and all the names their pea brains can think of, when he honesty did nothing that would not be expected of every single player in the league by contesting that loose ball. 

almost guaranteed some keyboard warrior is going to fire off a racial slur on twitter at him again any minute now, and we will have to cross that bridge again.

Aaaaaaargh. 
 

seriously over it. I’m both angry and disappointed

[Jaded No More 67,600]

15 minutes ago, Megatron said:

I’m at a point of beyond caring about anything football related. I’m just about done.

Me too. I’ve had enough of the AFL. 

[Bates Mate 4,422]

16 minutes ago, Megatron said:

I’m at a point of beyond caring about anything football related. I’m just about done.

Same, only reason I go to games anymore is the fact I meet up with my parents and sister and take my kids so it's a family thing. I've stopped caring as much as I used to and only frequent this forum and some demon podcasts.the while AFL machine makes me angry across so many levels

[dees189227 12,022]

This is the least of our worries. But kozzie again has let us down. 

[Redleg 39,978]

I have said it before, but imo this Chairman makes it up. This is what he said tonight.

AFL Tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson KC said that the tribunal did not believe he was contesting the ball and it was “unreasonable” for him to bump given Moore could have lowered his body and been in danger.

What he in fact is saying is that you can never bump, or if you take it to its logical conclusion, or for that matter do anything on a football field, as the other player might lower his body, or do something, that leads to him being hurt/concussed and you are therefore guilty of an offence, as it is unreasonable of you not to know that the other player might do something that turns your legal act into a suspension.

 That is BS.

That is not the bloody rule and it never has been. Where does it say in the rules, that if the victim does something at the last second, that causes a legal act to result in an injury, that it is then an illegal act.

I am sick to death of this blokes' rulings.

Contrast it with what he said when a Pies player is up on knocking out a player.

But the AFL tribunal panel of Jeff Gleeson, Scott Stevens and Darren Gaspar found Maynard's actions were "reasonable" in the circumstances. "He committed to the act of smothering when he was ... several metres from Brayshaw," Gleeson said in his findings. "We are not at all satisfied that a reasonable player would have foreseen that violent impact, or impact of the type suffered by Brayshaw, was inevitable or even likely."

The MRO Officer a former Pies player didn't even want to charge Maynard in the first place.

The AFL revealed later on Wednesday that it won't appeal the decision, despite initially overruling match review officer Michael Christian. AFL bosses sent Maynard directly to the tribunal, despite Christian not wanting to charge him in the first place.

Collingwood MRO officer and Collingwood supporter presiding over cases involving Pies players, is an absolute disgrace.

APPEAL.

 

Edited August 27 by Redleg

[layzie 32,726]

37 minutes ago, Megatron said:

I’m at a point of beyond caring about anything football related. I’m just about done.

Amen, completely cooked. 

[Young Blood 2,243]

Would love to know the number of times Gleeson was able to use his power to get Collingwood players out of suspensions or shorten the length of suspensions. Its no coincidence that this incident was against his precious Pies.

Obviously the Maynard one is the perfect example. I remember him getting Cox out of a one week ban for taking out Grimes 30m off the ball back in 2019.

But there must be more...

Edited August 27 by Young Blood

[Longsufferingnomore 1,600]

52 minutes ago, Redleg said:

I have said it before, but imo this Chairman makes it up. This is what he said tonight.

AFL Tribunal chair Jeff Gleeson KC said that the tribunal did not believe he was contesting the ball and it was “unreasonable” for him to bump given Moore could have lowered his body and been in danger.

What he in fact is saying is that you can never bump, or if you take it to its logical conclusion, or for that matter do anything on a football field, as the other player might lower his body, or do something, that leads to him being hurt/concussed and you are therefore guilty of an offence, as it is unreasonable of you not to know that the other player might do something that turns your legal act into a suspension.

 That is BS.

That is not the bloody rule and it never has been. Where does it say in the rules, that if the victim does something at the last second, that causes a legal act to result in an injury, that it is then an illegal act.

I am sick to death of this blokes' rulings.

Contrast it with what he said when a Pies player is up on knocking out a player.

But the AFL tribunal panel of Jeff Gleeson, Scott Stevens and Darren Gaspar found Maynard's actions were "reasonable" in the circumstances. "He committed to the act of smothering when he was ... several metres from Brayshaw," Gleeson said in his findings. "We are not at all satisfied that a reasonable player would have foreseen that violent impact, or impact of the type suffered by Brayshaw, was inevitable or even likely."

The MRO Officer a former Pies player didn't even want to charge Maynard in the first place.

The AFL revealed later on Wednesday that it won't appeal the decision, despite initially overruling match review officer Michael Christian. AFL bosses sent Maynard directly to the tribunal, despite Christian not wanting to charge him in the first place.

Collingwood MRO officer and Collingwood supporter presiding over cases involving Pies players, is an absolute disgrace.

APPEAL.

 

Are you doing anything. Pro bono of course.😁

[gregdemon 622]

1 hour ago, dees189227 said:

This is the least of our worries. But kozzie again has let us down. 

spot on

[DubDee 24,294]

WHAT A [censored] JOKE

APPEAL FFS

[DubDee 24,294]

2 hours ago, dees189227 said:

This is the least of our worries. But kozzie again has let us down. 

Absolute nonsense 

You try putting physical pressure on for 120 minutes each week and not get into the occasional scrap

The bump was completely fine. until Moore was on his knees

Kozzi gives 100% each week and to call him out for his aggression is poor form. We need it

[DubDee 24,294]

Wait for the tribunal 

He will be cleared 

[Brownie 5,846]

7 hours ago, Kiss of Death said:

It’s just infuriating.
 

Blind Freddy can see the outcomes in advance, we are paying good money to have our representatives set up our players to fail. Why oh why is Zita advising that Angry Anderson references ‘bumps’ rather than making a strong point about a ‘contest for a ball’, and unless somebody tells me otherwise I have to feel that there wasn’t even any discussion about how the sliding action undertaken by Moore impacted Kozzie’s legs in an illegal manner and actively caused the contact. At the start when the discussion was about how Koz got low at the contest it looked like for once we were going to focus on something that had a chance, but it went nowhere. Again. 

I would also bet that no discussion was made about at which point the AFL assumed that be needed to apply his additional duty of care when Moore illegally slid into him, and exactly how long he had to respond, and how there was not even time for him to react because he was TRYING TO WIN A CONTEST AND NOT TO BUMP 

once again, Melbourne loses out, we will have all the imbeciles on Twitter calling him a sniper and dirty and a dog and all the names their pea brains can think of, when he honesty did nothing that would not be expected of every single player in the league by contesting that loose ball. 

almost guaranteed some keyboard warrior is going to fire off a racial slur on twitter at him again any minute now, and we will have to cross that bridge again.

Aaaaaaargh. 
 

seriously over it. I’m both angry and disappointed

Exactly.

If it took three hours to deliberate, it was obviously borderline.

If Anderson had just put forward a half decent argument, he'd probably be free to play. 

Why use the word "bump". He was contesting the ball and only had eyes for it.

Moore didn't drop to his knees, he illegally slid in.

Koz is now in our top 4 players and we'll be handicapped at the gates now for the start of the season.

I really feel for the guy.

I think we should all drop a quick line to the club. Get someone better to argue the case

[ElDiablo14 4,904]

This may sound ridiculous and over the top but... Can we take these corrupt/inept MRO clowns to the TAS?

Let a third party with no bias and international exposure deal with these Muppets.

[pitmaster 3,442]

Yet the Bulldogs are looked after and LiamJones is available for a final a week after another player was rubbed out for the exact same action.

 

[Grouse 191]

even if the Tribunal finds he was contesting the ball “it was not reasonable to elect to bump at any stage”.

 

This doesn't make sence. You can't ever elect to protect your space under any circumstances, while contesting the ball?  Rubbish.