On 14/08/2024 at 03:04, Deelectable said:

If this crosses over other threads so be it. Thought Goodwin's press conference today was simply outstanding.  Eloquent, precise, informative and measured.  Put to bed any of the media nonsense in a no frills manner. Petracca and Oliver staying. What a surprise! Outlined that all footy clubs have their frustrations, debates and times of angst. It's called human nature. This is not true only in the AFL but all footy clubs in this country. Our mate Tom Morris was back pedalling at a rate of knots and was noticeably quieter throughout proceedings. For those who believed a word this 'person' said well, it's just embarrassing.  Finally, the revelations re Clarry were stark. We find now he has been playing with a busted hand, knee and a cracked rib. What an awesome effort from a guy who many said would never play for the club again. To all those people in the media and those on this site who mercilessly got stuck into Oliver hang your collective heads in shame. He is a champion of the club and one of the all time greats in the history of the game. He will be back bigger and better than ever. Once again well done Simon.✔️

One of the aĺl time greats is pushing a bit good footballer but has a few weaknesses hopefully they will be addressed pre season.

  On 14/08/2024 at 03:17, Deelectable said:

We watched a difference press conference.  I think you had your volume turned down.

Thanks Deelectable I heard the one you heard he was on the front foot and slightly aggressive in his responses to media, etc loved the way he handled the ANB request for transfer and Clayton and Tracc questions. His performance was exceptional.👏👏👏

I’m so pleased to hear Simon is leaning in to so many things. Hope he doesn’t fall over.

  On 14/08/2024 at 04:13, DeeZone said:

Thanks Deelectable I heard the one you heard he was on the front foot and slightly aggressive in his responses to media, etc loved the way he handled the ANB request for transfer and Clayton and Tracc questions. His performance was exceptional.👏👏👏

I must admit i laughed when Goodwin asked about the culture and when Goodwin asked him to define culture he didn't answer it.

 

I thought goody spoke well and I was delighted to hear of all the issues Clayton has. Gives me a lot more confidence he’ll be back to his best next year.

The concern for me is that Petracca hasn’t said anything publicly and the club hasn’t denied it, so the fact remains that one of the people who we should all trust the most “has lost faith in the direction of the club”. A player like trac doesn’t say that for no reason. I hope that it is the issue with the medicos and not a reference to our culture, but it sounded like both.

I do find it very very very suspicious that Anb now wants to go home. I can’t help but think he wouldn’t go if he thought we were a chance for another flag, so why is his confidence in us gone?

Similarly, with viney. I can’t help but think his dad has heard him complaining about something at Melbourne, be it culture or otherwise. Prompting his old man to let north know he’s potentially gettable.

I dont blame any of the above but we need to work out what’s going on that’s causing three of our best leaders to want out. Whichever way you shape it, it’s a shambles.

The positive is, that if we can get the underlying issues sorted, we will likely see a big jump in performance. 

The great Barassi wasn't MLK! Some of his most popular quotes as orator were basic football truths...

"Practice makes perfect' is [censored]. Only perfect practice makes perfect."

"If we're going to fail then we will fail my way! And my way at the moment is handball!"

Ron Barassi to Gary 'Crazy Horse' Cowton: "What is it with you? Is it ignorance or is it apathy?"
(Cowton's response: "I don't know and I don't care")

Those that harp on about Goodwin harping on are expecting their football coach to be a wordsmith. Its really about how the players receive and respond to the message. By the way... Premierships coaching Melbourne, Goodwin 1, Barassi 0

 

Edited August 14, 2024Aug 14 by waynewussell

I'm very sceptical about what I read in the media.

Also, public relations = propaganda, so I don't pay too much heed to what gets said at a press conference either.

  On 14/08/2024 at 04:14, Fanatique Demon said:

I’m so pleased to hear Simon is leaning in to so many things. Hope he doesn’t fall over.

I’m not a big fan of that phrase either but personally I thought he sounded honest and open about the issues discussed and I believe they are serious about listening to and addressing concerns that will / have been raised. As a supporter I don’t think we can ask for much more atm 

  On 14/08/2024 at 03:19, FearTheBeard said:

Simon has always had the ability to say a lot of words that sound good whilst saying absolutely nothing. I would be reading nothing into anything Goodwin/Richardson/Pert says until Petracca/Oliver/Viney are lining up for us in Round 1 next year playing good football.

That’s true of almost everyone in the afl. They are trained to do it. I would argue goodwin isn’t very good at it at all. 

  On 14/08/2024 at 04:12, Jaded No More said:

Let's talk about culture for a minute

- 5 weeks into the season Brisbane won 0 games and their club was imploding over an end of season trip

- Sydney players were fighting over a girl

- Tyson Stengle had to be removed by an ambulance from a nightclub

- 6 weeks ago Bevo was getting sacked

- Collingwood is again being accused of racism

Football clubs are made of a diverse bunch of highly competitive, egocentric, often not super intelligent players. They don't and will never all see eye to eye, share the same passions for reading the bible and knitting, or agree about everything. 

Is our culture perfect? Obviously not. 

Is any club's culture perfect? Obviously not.

Are we getting air time because it's easy to pick on an underperforming club? Absolutely

Been a perfect storm of everything that could go wrong has. Despite several bad games and enduring controversies we have been up for the fight even up to last round.

Looked great in print. 

  On 14/08/2024 at 03:12, SFebes said:

Funny how we see it differently. Looks nervous and could hear it in his voice. Petracca and Oliver are contracted, of course the club would say this. Both have made comments within 12 months though. Still silence from Petracca. Looked just the usual spin to me.

This is the exact negativity that belittles our players. I sincerely they have enough brains to not read/involve

i listened to Simon’s presser but I still am worried about the silence from Trac on this. 
the clubs statement yesterday was very wishy washy and didn’t instill me with any great confidence on whether Trac wanted to stay just that we would enforce his contract.

ditto with the Gawny interview. He didn’t sound confident at all. 
really want to hear from Trac. Say it ain’t so Trac. 
there are no doubt a lot of supporters unhappy with the club. Blind Freddy could tell you that. I would be worried if Trac wasn’t unhappy either. 
this saga is far from over. 

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  On 14/08/2024 at 04:14, Fanatique Demon said:

I’m so pleased to hear Simon is leaning in to so many things. Hope he doesn’t fall over.

I counted the use of that term... got to two, then I got drawn in to his very professional handling of the Club's position and his complete control of the press conference, so I may have missed one... hardly worthy of a smug comment!

  On 14/08/2024 at 05:25, dimmy said:

This is the exact negativity that belittles our players. I sincerely they have enough brains to not read/involve

How the hell is that belittling the players? Sheesh.

  On 14/08/2024 at 05:40, Skrull said:

i listened to Simon’s presser but I still am worried about the silence from Trac on this. 
the clubs statement yesterday was very wishy washy and didn’t instill me with any great confidence on whether Trac wanted to stay just that we would enforce his contract.

ditto with the Gawny interview. He didn’t sound confident at all. 
really want to hear from Trac. Say it ain’t so Trac. 
there are no doubt a lot of supporters unhappy with the club. Blind Freddy could tell you that. I would be worried if Trac wasn’t unhappy either. 
this saga is far from over. 

Hello, could this be Tom Morris... wanting to eek out further drama (therefore more clicks)? Trac, quite clearly, hasn't been silent on this "saga". He is simply selective about who he is sharing his view with, and at the moment it ain't you, Joe!

  On 14/08/2024 at 04:13, FreedFromDesire said:

Really looking forward to having a listen to the presser, the positive reactions are a great sign.

However, I'm not sure I'd be celebrating the above? Particularly in the recent context of the handling of both Petracca and May's injuries. There's bravery, and then there's poor management on the behalf of those responsible for such things.

You wouldn't expect anything less from a courage perspective from those 3 players, but we simply must get better as a club with how we go about our player management. I find the news of what Clarry played through more concerning than anything else, and I'm generally pretty positive as a general club outlook.

Given Clarry's struggles to find form given those physical ailments, it's looking a worse and worse decision that they didn't make the decision to get him to full fitness. Of course, there would be other factors, but it's a wider issue the last few years I believe, and the examples we've seen this season have been particularly bad.

Where did I say 'celebrating'? Awesome effort is an entirely different thing. Interesting also that clubs and players in particular can't win. If they play through injury the club is negligent.  Conversely,  if they don't get on the field they're accused of being weak and not toughing it out. Kane Cornes has potted Nick Cox and Todd Marshall for being soft and not cut out for the game. Lose, lose.

  On 14/08/2024 at 03:19, FearTheBeard said:

Simon has always had the ability to say a lot of words that sound good whilst saying absolutely nothing. I would be reading nothing into anything Goodwin/Richardson/Pert says until Petracca/Oliver/Viney are lining up for us in Round 1 next year playing good football.

Shame …your lack of perceptron is staggering. A person (def not a genuine supporter) whose mind is set one way & doesn’t want anything to sway it. ☹️

  On 14/08/2024 at 04:33, Dees name here said:

I thought goody spoke well and I was delighted to hear of all the issues Clayton has. Gives me a lot more confidence he’ll be back to his best next year.

The concern for me is that Petracca hasn’t said anything publicly and the club hasn’t denied it, so the fact remains that one of the people who we should all trust the most “has lost faith in the direction of the club”. A player like trac doesn’t say that for no reason. I hope that it is the issue with the medicos and not a reference to our culture, but it sounded like both.

I do find it very very very suspicious that Anb now wants to go home. I can’t help but think he wouldn’t go if he thought we were a chance for another flag, so why is his confidence in us gone?

Similarly, with viney. I can’t help but think his dad has heard him complaining about something at Melbourne, be it culture or otherwise. Prompting his old man to let north know he’s potentially gettable.

I dont blame any of the above but we need to work out what’s going on that’s causing three of our best leaders to want out. Whichever way you shape it, it’s a shambles.

The positive is, that if we can get the underlying issues sorted, we will likely see a big jump in performance. 

'Has lost faith in the direction of the club'. Please tell me you're not referring to David Schwarz? Loved him as a player but as a pundit/ ex player he is clueless.  I've lost track of the number of times he's made sweeping statements such a this with nothing to back it up. Non story.

  On 14/08/2024 at 03:12, SFebes said:

Funny how we see it differently. Looks nervous and could hear it in his voice. Petracca and Oliver are contracted, of course the club would say this. Both have made comments within 12 months though. Still silence from Petracca. Looked just the usual spin to me.

Geez give it a rest. Tom Morris  must be loving this.

Of course they would say it - BECAUSE ITS TRUE

  On 14/08/2024 at 06:14, Deelectable said:

'Has lost faith in the direction of the club'. Please tell me you're not referring to David Schwarz? Loved him as a player but as a pundit/ ex player he is clueless.  I've lost track of the number of times he's made sweeping statements such a this with nothing to back it up. Non story.

Ox's best prognostication was a few weeks ago saying Charlie Curnow was due and would kick a bag. Even though he was nowhere near to best forward currently (Jesse that is)

He's been taking lessons from Clickbait Cornes on how to in his case re-build a media presence.

  On 14/08/2024 at 06:21, Demon17 said:

Ox's best prognostication was a few weeks ago saying Charlie Curnow was due and would kick a bag. Even though he was nowhere near to best forward currently (Jesse that is)

He's been taking lessons from Clickbait Cornes on how to in his case re-build a media presence.

Understand why SEN dumped him and Mark Allen.  Amateur hour.

  On 14/08/2024 at 04:13, demon3165 said:

One of the aĺl time greats is pushing a bit good footballer but has a few weaknesses hopefully they will be addressed pre season.

"One of the all time greats" is very accurate. Already 2 coaches' awards. Multiple AA, multiple club champion - 2 Brownlow votes in his first game!!!

Was a fantastic interview, he was the ultimate progressional especially with the little [censored] Tom Morris in the room. Handled himself fantastically and was open and honest, spoke with a real calmness and was very solution focused. 
 

Compare that to Bevo… he couldn’t control himself after losing a round 1 match and let loose on Morris. 
 

Perhaps Goody is the right man to navigate use through this turbulence 

  On 14/08/2024 at 03:04, Deelectable said:

Finally, the revelations re Clarry were stark. We find now he has been playing with a busted hand, knee and a cracked rib. What an awesome effort from a guy who many said would never play for the club again. To all those people in the media and those on this site who mercilessly got stuck into Oliver hang your collective heads in shame.

I applaud his level of bravery to get out on the field , but seems really dumb for the club to allow him to play while so banged up. I was one who got stuck into Clarry at times this year due to what he has produced on field which has been way below his standard and barely AFL standard recently. He should never have been playing with such injuries I thought we learned our lesson in 2022 by selecting the effectively the same 22 every week when we have able replacements playing good footy at Casey and not manage players after the 10-0 start ,we saw what happened in finals.