Christian Petracca

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4 hours ago, layzie said:

You're one of the few who can see straight on this BDA.

A week ago his story carried little weight on here. 

I agree, but there is reason to be skeptical on first reports. There are plenty of examples of journalists like McClure and Morris, whose core business is reporting on the people of the game, rather than the game itself, have been embarrassingly wrong. I think most of us were prepared to accept the truth to the reports once more and more of them came out and had multiple sources.

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3 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

No

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8 minutes ago, titan_uranus said:

Run the counter-factual.

If there was no truth to any of this, why hasn't Petracca or his manager said so?

There is, for example, no truth to the Harry McKay stuff, as we know his manager has said as much today.

But if there was, as you seem to think, no truth to any of the Petracca stuff, it's a very simple solution for him or his manager to say so.

The fact that they haven't is all you need to know that there is at least some truth to what is going on. And that's before you get to the people who are citing this who are not McClure (e.g. Cal Twomey, who AFAK is never wrong, agreed with it two weeks ago, Sam Edmund's agreed with it, Matthew Lloyd's had word of it, Caro's heard it, Damian Barrett's heard it).

I lean far more to the optimistic side than the pessimistic side, I honestly think Trac is my favourite ever Melbourne player, and I will be genuinely sad if he ever plays for any other club, but it is mindboggling to me that anyone would still be suggesting this might all be made up.

Never actually said that it was all made up but that is a long way from Trac leaving. Is he disgruntled perhaps with a few things? Maybe. No different to thousands of players in football clubs across Australia since time began. Is he in a good headspace? No. Anyway, I'm willing to wager any amount you like that Petracca is in in the red an blue in 2025 and beyond. He doesn't have to say anything.  The aforementioned 'journos" have been muckraking for years.

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5 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Trac is following the playbook for players seeking a trade.

I would not expect the club will be told anymore information about what his true grievances are (now that the exit interview is over) and we will only be speaking to his management in the offseason. There will be some more leaks to the media, but Trac will continue to be vague about his issues and tell different problems to different parties. My guess is that he has a list of things he doesn't like about the club (none of them being major). The main issue is probably that he wants to go to a club that has more chance of winning a flag and bigger crowds. 

Even if we can't really know the real problems, I think Goodwin will back his ability to turn things around. For all his perceived tactical deficiencies, he seems to have a good connection with the players.

Our plan should be to 1) tell Trac that we love him (regardless) and 2) tell his manager that we don't intent to trade him. But if we were to consider a trade, this is what it would take for us to even think about it. Let them do all the work.

How genuine can that love be when he has belittled the club and its supporters so publicly?

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16 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

How desperate can we make NM to want to give us Larkey and Pick 2 for Trac??

I know we're desperate not to get unders for Trac but we also have to be realistic that we are not going to get overs for Trac either.

As much as a superstar as he is. He is coming off a traumatic injury, there is the perception that this situation has been handled in an unprofessional manner, he is 29 and there is no guarantee that he fully recovers from this injury or that he can return to the heights of his pre-injury years.

Clubs will play hardball with us based on the above. They are not stupid and we have been easy targets and "good" to deal with in the past.

I'm not confident we won't get [censored] in this deal.

Edited August 27 by Deeminion

[Watson11 2,230]

The club is throwing fire onto this issue and leaking like a sieve.

In the media: "Depending on who Petracca talks to, it’s different. If he talks to the players, his issue is with the leadership of the club and when he talks to the leadership, his issue is with the players and the off-field stuff."

So players and leadership appear to be leaking to the media. That is not dealing with the issue internally. It's quite feasible and likely that Tracc has raised off field behaviour issues with leadership.  Maybe it has been raised before but brushed under the carpet.  But players in every club misbehave.  What is different is how leadership manage the behaviour, what is tolerated, and what isn't.  It's disingenuous for the leadership of the club to play ignorant, and pretend that the issue is the relationship between Tracc and the players.  Their leaking may have made this situation totally irreparable.

Of course I might be wrong, and Tracc might have put on one of those Max Gawn masks, arranged a coffee with Matthew Lloyd, and then found a Gary Pert mask to do the same with Sam McClure.

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1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

How genuine can that love be when he has belittled the club and its supporters so publicly?

I think that’s one of the big issue for us fans. To say ‘oh I want to go play for a big club’ after a large number of us spend our hard earned to go to games and support him, to then turnaround and say that is a real slap in the face. 

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1 minute ago, ElDiablo14 said:

How genuine can that love be when he has belittled the club and its supporters so publicly?

Trac is clearly going through a lot at the moment. He has always been immature and self centred.

But we need to be trying to mend the situation for if Trac stays a Demon (as I think is most likely given the difficult nature of such a trade).

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its a trap! We'll end up with Brendan Bolton and Adam Cerra and #11 & #F18

Edited August 27 by John Demonic

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1 minute ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I think that’s one of the big issue for us fans. To say ‘oh I want to go play for a big club’ after a large number of us spend our hard earned to go to games and support him, to then turnaround and say that is a real slap in the face. 

It also tells us there are problems within the Club that need fixing 

Too much has been swept under the carpet…

[beelzebub 23,264]

 

If I were a betting man...  and it's been known....  I'd be at least considering the following: ( no meaningful order )

* Trac had reservations prior to last signing.

* He comes from Filth 

* His family was rather miffed about the care and concern at time of his injury.

* He seems easily/heavily swayed by influencers not being his management.

*His "side of things" seems to be leading the narrative

*He seems to have made big calls ( to be verified ) about issues not 100% of his realm.

*He is very much about HIM, his Brand and the bigger stage

*Not the least of things, he has asked to GO.

*Team Footy is not his priority. 

*There's a touch of Dorian Gray about this fella

*Has pyromanic inclinations to straddling structures .

*Can be a very good footballer, but will he attain his highest level again ?

Earlier in year there were murmurings of a rift at club between groups (players) . I think we can take as being existing. I'm not inclined to do either :

1) put money on him being in R/B in 25 

2) Getting top value in trade

We may hold many of the cards...but not the Wild Card. This has some distance to play out yet..  windy road ahead.

Good luck Melbourne

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5 hours ago, tallstuey said:

Challenging times.  Clarry's decline, the loss of Brayshaw and Nibbler and the possible loss of Trac closes any residual premiership window.

The talk of Trac wanting to debvelop his "brand" could be an inaccurate  smokescreen to indict Trac. Clearly Trac's recent injury trauma has probably sharpened his career focus and life priorities to try and facilitate change now.  Sometimes there is no tomorrow.

It has been suggested that Trac attempted to outline his views to the players and club has sought a change of coaching leadership from our tired, failing defensive game plan to something more offensive, ah lah the Pies last year.  If this is the case, he is showing strong leadership.

Some are suggesting he believes he is greater than the club.  Many readers will know how much courage it takes to stand alone against "the system".

I am a Goody fan. A genuine person who's greatest strength is developing player relationships. However, his tactics and game plan have not evolved.

Good coaches are important. Brilliant players (especially midfield) are CRITICAL!

Is it time for Kate to show strong leadership and decide?

Let Goody go or lose Trac.

 

 

Both can be shown the door!

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2 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Earlier in year there were murmurings of a rift at club between groups (players) . I think we can take as being existing. I'm not inclined to do either :

 

 

Just maybe the murmurings were all about only one player   and obviously they were there,   does this explain in part West Coast and Flogmantle results ??

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18 minutes ago, Deelectable said:

No

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21 minutes ago, Demonland said:

If you want to enrage your Carlton mates ...

You're welcome

I’d rather just send them this, doubles as the reason some of us don’t want him.

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24 minutes ago, SthSea22 said:

How desperate can we make NM to want to give us Larkey and Pick 2 for Trac??

Trac doesn't suit their timeline, and I doubt they would see him as a leader, unlike Jack Viney.

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19 minutes ago, Fat Tony said:

Trac is following the playbook for players seeking a trade.

I would not expect the club will be told anymore information about what his true grievances are (now that the exit interview is over) and we will only be speaking to his management in the offseason. There will be some more leaks to the media, but Trac will continue to be vague about his issues and tell different problems to different parties. My guess is that he has a list of things he doesn't like about the club (none of them being major). The main issue is probably that he wants to go to a club that has more chance of winning a flag and bigger crowds. 

Even if we can't really know the real problems, I think Goodwin will back his ability to turn things around. For all his perceived tactical deficiencies, he seems to have a good connection with the players.

Our plan should be to 1) tell Trac that we love him (regardless) and 2) tell his manager that we don't intent to trade him. But if we were to consider a trade, this is what it would take for us to even think about it. Let them do all the work.

Not all the players obviously maybe the problem

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Is this how the decision making goes … best of five ? 

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2 hours ago, leave it to deever said:

I'm reconsidering.

From some media reports, I understand that Trac has experienced severe psychological trauma from his injury.

Maybe he is right in being angry at how some things were handled.

That's just natural.

I'm starting to think that maybe the club should let him go if it's not it's a fair trade or better.

Again, t's all so conflicting.

I read this article too, needless to say it was a very serious incident and the surgery horrendous and recovery long and traumatic. I'm glad he's seeing a psych to help him with it.

I'm not sure why he thinks the club is at fault though. Did they force him to go back on the ground? He was assessed by the doctor to the best of his ability at the time, and deemed ok to play on. In hindsight, with the aid of a hospital emergency room diagnostics, he was found to have sustained more serious injury. It wasn't until late that evening that the spleen emergency happened. Apparently this couldn't have been foreseen or prevented.

It was a horrible injury, but like many incidents on the playing field that result in serious injury, it was no one's fault.

At best, the club may have been insensitive for posting that he would be back for finals. Surely a heartfelt apology to him should mend that hurt?

 

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The sociopath in me says trade him out. As long as it involves 2 first rounders and a player that suits our needs I am fine with him going. 

I love the guy but he is obviously unhappy and who is to say that he will return to his best form any time soon. 

He has diminished his standing in my eye with his communication methodology of late but when all is said and done he may provide the kick start we need in our rebuild. 

We would build an excellent base with 3 first round picks in one of the most highly touted drafts in recent times. 

Edited August 27 by Salems Lot

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5 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

I’d rather just send them this, doubles as the reason some of us don’t want him.

Tread carefully. They’re playing finals while we're watching Rome burn. Or at least Naples.

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Petracca wasn’t asked about his playing future, where he has been linked with a move to Collingwood, the club he grew up barracking for, or Carlton.

McKay has been linked with an exchange for Petracca, but McKay’s manager David Trotter of Hemisphere Management was emphatic that his client would not be leaving the Blues. McKay is contracted to the Blues until the end of 2030.

“There is absolutely no way Harry would consider going to Melbourne,” Trotter told SEN.

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49 minutes ago, dees189227 said:

Wouldn't see nathan jones, Jim stynes or Robbie flower carry on like this

Exactly, will never go down as a club great.

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4 hours ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Maybe they should open up talks with PSG or Man City? That would get him more clicks.

Haarland would surely have transferable skills?

Haarland reminds me of an up-market Frost!

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14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

 

If I were a betting man...  and it's been known....  I'd be at least considering the following: ( no meaningful order )

* Trac had reservations prior to last signing.

* He comes from Filth 

* His family was rather miffed about the care and concern at time of his injury.

* He seems easily/heavily swayed by influencers not being his management.

*His "side of things" seems to be leading the narrative

*He seems to have made big calls ( to be verified ) about issues not 100% of his realm.

*He is very much about HIM, his Brand and the bigger stage

*Not the least of things, he has asked to GO.

*Team Footy is not his priority. 

*There's a touch of Dorian Gray about this fella

*Has pyromanic inclinations to straddling structures .

*Can be a very good footballer, but will he attain his highest level again ?

Earlier in year there were murmurings of a rift at club between groups (players) . I think we can take as being existing. I'm not inclined to do either :

1) put money on him being in R/B in 25 

2) Getting top value in trade

We may hold many of the cards...but not the Wild Card. This has some distance to play out yet..  windy road ahead.

Good luck Melbourne

Lots of "seems" and "mays" there. That's the problem with all this.