Would love to know what his concerns are, beyond the obvious management of his terrible injury. 

He is the next captain. Max should hand it over if we can calm his concerns. 

I am a bit disillusioned tbh, we are playing like the team played in 2015-17. Just minimising damage and little excitement and intent. It’s gotten a bit better but it’s galling watching the Dees versus a Hawks or any team that plays with confidence.

We have to keep him. We just have to keep him.

But if we don’t - clear it out - we are not going anywhere if we lose him.  

1 minute ago, fr_ap said:

Imo - Clarry has already checked out. If he can get his desperation & commitment back - then of course none of us would ever want him to leave. 

But if he doesn't - you'd still want to keep him around? 

If you've managed large teams you'd be aware of the importance of upholding and demonstrating high standards - and how small cracks spread and undermine collective effort. 

It's not as black and white as you make it - there are versions of Clarry like there are versions of each of us. The clarry that won 4*bnfs is welcome at any time. The current version - we would be best to move on from.

Nup can't have it, he is still a work in progress! Keep coz if he goes so too do many many die hard members. Plus WE OWE HIM!

2 minutes ago, No10 said:

Our training facilities don’t inspire elite standards. They’re an embarrassment to everyone, the players too.

The club needs to stop being pathetic, given we’re not spending multi-millions on facilities, travel the players to the US.  Do an Arizona high-performance off-season that is enviable and meaningful.

Take the weakness of nowhere to be and make it a strength that we can travel anywhere.

Time to do something about the state of how the club is run. Far beyond firing or swapping inconsequential staff.

Yep I noticed Melbourne Storm are wallowing in ineptitude with their training facilities. 

13 minutes ago, Demonsterative said:

A poll should start on who is Tom’s alias

39 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

So potentially within the span of 12 months

Brayshaw - retired

Oliver - linked to Adelaide 

Viney - linked to North

Petracca - possibly requesting a trade

What the bleep has happened to this football club?

only one established FACT in that list

17 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

He would have enough sway to do that for sure. But Morris says he’s not unhappy with Goodwin, so it’s hard to know what info Morris is reporting truthfully and what he is making up. 

Who believes much from Tom Morris?

35 minutes ago, JJJ said:

This is an underrated factor. A lot of large financial contributors in the Coterie etc are also player sponsors and friends with the families of the players.

It’s a leaky ship at the moment.

The moment the club takes its direction from parents, coterie members or sponsors is the moment we should give it away. There’s no doubt pressure on the club and those within it, as there should be after this year. Once again it’s all about the preseason for mine. 

6 minutes ago, middleagedemon said:

Sticking fat, supporting and being galvanised doesn't equate to having one's head in the sand. 

And many on here continually have their head in the sand and don't want to hear a bad word about the club, ever. Period. If that is the kind of support and 'sticking fat' you're talking about, we may as well shut up shop. Being blissfully ignorant is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike and won't get the club anywhere. 

I make those remarks because I find it hilarious that despite all of the evidence, the cheers-squad type supporters just refuse to bat an eyelid, either calling it all BS or saying it's actually Trac that's the problem! Or not only that, it's about anything but what's going on behind closed doors. 'injury, loading, stats stats stats backing up the theory that we're injured, we're loading'. Rinse and repeat. 

People just don't want to dig deep enough or hear anything that might pop their lala land bubble. Why? Because it feels uncomfortable and 'negative'. Again I think that says more about them then anything else. 

Obviously we all want the club to succeed. Those of us who have seen some worrying signs now have wondered if there are some things going on behind the scenes and it turns out that we're correct. 

And now the cheer-squad parade are worried that it'll ruin demonland when they should actually be feeling positive about the outcomes/changes that might come from this admission! So you can have both! Accept and understand that not everything is just peaches and roses, but know that out of this will come new growth, opportunity, change and good times again!

Trac's not happy with the direction of the club. 

[censored] ay! 

What a relief, somebody said it within our club! 

Now to get to get to work, whatever that entails. We should welcome it all. 

Gee you have to wonder how Cripps..Bont …Merrett handle what their clubs are going through. When your season doesn’t go to plan …inevitably the witch hunt begins. I am the optimistic supporter but not stupid enough to think change isn’t  needed. I also refuse to deal in rumour & innuendo …I believe most of the players we want signed are resigned so will hold fire until an official statement comes out from the club saying certain players want to leave. 

8 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Hang on, do you want change or don’t you? If Viney and Petracca are unhappy with aspects of the club, wouldn’t one of them be playing Clarry?

Would it? 
I mean you could argue that, equally you could argue Jack and Trac are happy to see the club stick by one of their best when he is struggling off the field, knowing it could very well be them one day, or has been them before. 
Prior to his injury, Trac Clarry and Gawn would hang out before each game playing chess. Doesn’t scream “I hate you” to me. 

It is anyone’s guess what Trac is unhappy about, despite what posters here are telling you they know. 
It could be about certain teammates, it could be about his line coach or Goodwin or the fitness staff or Alan Richardson or the tea lady making terrible meatballs. Maybe he’s been asking for his Nonna to do the match day catering and they said no. 
 

Just now, Roost it far said:

The moment the club takes its direction from parents, coterie members or sponsors is the moment we should give it away. There’s no doubt pressure on the club and those within it, as there should be after this year. Once again it’s all about the preseason for mine. 

I didn’t say they should. I am saying that the leaky ship is very leaky and there’s plenty of disenfranchised people.

Also, this stuff is not something a preseason will fix. It will be fixed or we will be [censored] by the end of trade week.

3 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Nup can't have it, he is still a work in progress! Keep coz if he goes so too do many many die hard members. Plus WE OWE HIM!

Why do we owe him? If anything, would have thought he owes us

Tom’s probably on here at the moment having a good laugh at those flakey Dee supporters.!!!

Just now, Jaded No More said:

Would it? 
I mean you could argue that, equally you could argue Jack and Trac are happy to see the club stick by one of their best when he is struggling off the field, knowing it could very well be them one day, or has been them before. 
Prior to his injury, Trac Clarry and Gawn would hang out before each game playing chess. Doesn’t scream “I hate you” to me. 

It is anyone’s guess what Trac is unhappy about, despite what posters here are telling you they know. 
It could be about certain teammates, it could be about his line coach or Goodwin or the fitness staff or Alan Richardson or the tea lady making terrible meatballs. Maybe he’s been asking for his Nonna to do the match day catering and they said no. 
 

No I agree…. Just making a point about people calling for change but no one knows what change they are calling for. Unless you are directly in contact with Petracca or Viney or Goody no one has a clue what the issues are

4 minutes ago, Roost it far said:

The moment the club takes its direction from parents, coterie members or sponsors is the moment we should give it away. There’s no doubt pressure on the club and those within it, as there should be after this year. Once again it’s all about the preseason for mine. 

Carltank have been doing this for years! Oh Wait!

38 minutes ago, picket fence said:

EXACTLY GUT THE PLACE starting with The President, Coach, the ENTIRE football department and then some. 100% BUYING IN ON THIS !

Mr Fence - i guess you would keep Jeffo though as captain and FF but clean out all the other players too. 

Just now, DistrACTION Jackson said:

No I agree…. Just making a point about people calling for change but no one knows what change they are calling for. Unless you are directly in contact with Petracca or Viney or Goody no one has a clue what the issues are

The Viney thing is literally laughable. 
North are probably looking to bring some mature leadership to their club, and because Todd works there Viney’s name was probably brought up. 
Do we all really think Jack is going to leave to go to a wooden spooner in the twilight of his career? Like wtf are people on?

11 minutes ago, monoccular said:

only one established FACT in that list

Who believes much from Tom Morris?

We need Big Max to spew on Tom to make his legend even bigger.

Edited August 12, 20241 yr by YesitwasaWin4theAges

Been stress reading this thread all night and forgot to cook dinner, pizza on the way at least!

Just now, monoccular said:

Mr Fence - i guess you would keep Jeffo though as captain and FF but clean out all the other players too. 

Only if I can be coach!!

Listening to Morris’ comments, if it’s not the coaches, then it must be Richo, Lamb and Pert, right? 

 

7 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

Why? 

My question exactly! 
 

Although the poster should know a bit about bans, he copped some in his previous incarnation  

 

 

Also…

When you throw a stone into a pack of dogs etc. 🤷‍♀️ 

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, middleagedemon said:

Sticking fat, supporting and being galvanised doesn't equate to having one's head in the sand. 

And many on here continually have their head in the sand and don't want to hear a bad word about the club, ever. Period. If that is the kind of support and 'sticking fat' you're talking about, we may as well shut up shop. Being blissfully ignorant is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike and won't get the club anywhere. 

I make those remarks because I find it hilarious that despite all of the evidence, the cheers-squad type supporters just refuse to bat an eyelid, either calling it all BS or saying it's actually Trac that's the problem! Or not only that, it's about anything but what's going on behind closed doors. 'injury, loading, stats stats stats backing up the theory that we're injured, we're loading'. Rinse and repeat. 

People just don't want to dig deep enough or hear anything that might pop their lala land bubble. Why? Because it feels uncomfortable and 'negative'. Again I think that says more about them then anything else. 

Obviously we all want the club to succeed. Those of us who have seen some worrying signs now have wondered if there are some things going on behind the scenes and it turns out that we're correct. 

And now the cheer-squad parade are worried that it'll ruin demonland when they should actually be feeling positive about the outcomes/changes that might come from this admission! So you can have both! Accept and understand that not everything is just peaches and roses, but know that out of this will come new growth, opportunity, change and good times again!

Trac's not happy with the direction of the club. 

[censored] ay! 

What a relief, somebody said it within our club! 

Now to get to get to work, whatever that entails. We should welcome it all. 

Trac said [censored] btw. Morris spewed information that has not been confirmed. I hope it is just verbal vomit. 
 

The attack on the “cheer squad” is an attack on @WalkingCivilWar! WCW puts in for this club and loves our boys like family. That’s how a functional family works. Nothing to do with being uncomfortable , just showing their personal values as a club person and person. 
 

Wanting the club to succeed and doing something positive for the club to succeed are two different things. 
 

The argument on the affirmative side supporting this club is not about the content. It is purely about the method in how you and your cronies act. It’s repetitive, blaming, personal (to the players, club and many supporters) it’s disrespectful. 
 

 

1 minute ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Listening to Morris’ comments, if it’s not the coaches, then it must be Richo, Lamb and Pert, right? 

 

The trifecta right there 😂

1 minute ago, At the break of Gawn said:

Listening to Morris’ comments, if it’s not the coaches, then it must be Richo, Lamb and Pert, right? 

 

I heard it’s the boot-studder. 🤫 

5 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Imo - Clarry has already checked out. If he can get his desperation & commitment back - then of course none of us would ever want him to leave. 

But if he doesn't - you'd still want to keep him around? 

If you've managed large teams you'd be aware of the importance of upholding and demonstrating high standards - and how small cracks spread and undermine collective effort. 

It's not as black and white as you make it - there are versions of Clarry like there are versions of each of us. The clarry that won 4*bnfs is welcome at any time. The current version - we would be best to move on from.

How the hell does an all-time club great "check out". How does it get to that? Like I am not giving him a pass at all here, but we're not being told something here. 

It reads to me like the club's collective EQ matches that of a potato. You then have the likes of Oliver, who goes off the rails and needs support. And the club's response is, "Shape up or ship out!".

Oliver's 2022 season:

1. AFLCA Player of the Year

2. All Australian

3. Best and Fairest

4. ANZAC Eve medal

5. King's Birthday medal

6. Lou Richards medal

 

The above isn't exclusive to 2022. 

 

Oliver's 2023 season: 

"His standards aren't up to it. He's on the trading block!"

 

What the heck? 

 

Now Trac is saying he isn't happy with the club. Maybe Oliver isn't the problem here. Maybe in throwing Oliver to the wolves, it has divided the club.

Which is ironic given some of the players we've brought in this past 24 month period. 

21 minutes ago, middleagedemon said:

Sticking fat, supporting and being galvanised doesn't equate to having one's head in the sand. 

And many on here continually have their head in the sand and don't want to hear a bad word about the club, ever. Period. If that is the kind of support and 'sticking fat' you're talking about, we may as well shut up shop. Being blissfully ignorant is about as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike and won't get the club anywhere. 

I make those remarks because I find it hilarious that despite all of the evidence, the cheers-squad type supporters just refuse to bat an eyelid, either calling it all BS or saying it's actually Trac that's the problem! Or not only that, it's about anything but what's going on behind closed doors. 'injury, loading, stats stats stats backing up the theory that we're injured, we're loading'. Rinse and repeat. 

People just don't want to dig deep enough or hear anything that might pop their lala land bubble. Why? Because it feels uncomfortable and 'negative'. Again I think that says more about them then anything else. 

Obviously we all want the club to succeed. Those of us who have seen some worrying signs now have wondered if there are some things going on behind the scenes and it turns out that we're correct. 

And now the cheer-squad parade are worried that it'll ruin demonland when they should actually be feeling positive about the outcomes/changes that might come from this admission! So you can have both! Accept and understand that not everything is just peaches and roses, but know that out of this will come new growth, opportunity, change and good times again!

Trac's not happy with the direction of the club. 

[censored] ay! 

What a relief, somebody said it within our club! 

Now to get to get to work, whatever that entails. We should welcome it all. 

Jesus this guy gets it..