1 minute ago, William said:

I keep reading that the senior coach "took us to a premiership". Well, in one sense, that is obviously factually correct. But correlation is not causation. Where is the evidence that it was down to his innate ability and capacity as a coach that made the difference between us beating the WB that day (via a massive third quarter only) or not?

An alternative and plausible narrative is that we won in 2021 despite the senior coach.

And as the synergy of that year has faded - with injuries, age, poor recruiting etc - the capacities of the senior coach are manifesting to our discontent.

I go to most games. I frequently see very poor coaching decisions (or rather lack of decisions) and the opposition making changes that are successful within game and with selections.

And tomorrow we have Spargo, JVR, Petty, Fritsch, Viney - all either well past their prime or not up to AFL standard in the first place - being selected ahead of a guy like Turner who at least can take a mark and get hold of the ball and kick goals. All these players who keep getting games without justification are seemingly pets of the senior coach.

I also saw comment that comparing JVR to Sam Weideman is a travesty of justice (my words). I urge those who refute that comparison, and, instead, believe JVR is the next big thing to go to the statistics and do a like for like at the same career point. Haunting. Time will tell but in the meantime JVR just keeps getting a game despite delivering outcomes that would not justify selection. And is a liability to our probability of success.

best wishes

bill

That may be true, but then by that logic you can't blame the coach that we are losing as it could be due to other factors.

The truth is it is somewhere in the middle, of course he should get some credit for helping us a win a flag. The same as Yze & Chappy should also, plus all the players.

But it may be that now his message is becoming stale and we need a new voice at the top. Time will tell.

2 minutes ago, William said:

I keep reading that the senior coach "took us to a premiership". Well, in one sense, that is obviously factually correct. But correlation is not causation. Where is the evidence that it was down to his innate ability and capacity as a coach that made the difference between us beating the WB that day (via a massive third quarter only) or not?

A premiership isn't won in single game, it's a season worth of results and we were incredible that year. Start to finish, it was one of the more dominant seasons in the 2000s. We won 20 games for the year, including streaks of nine and seven, and a massive come from behind win in Geelong to seal the minor premiership. Of the four losses, the largest was 20 points. Our finals campaign included an easy win against Brisbane, a belting of Geelong, then the Grand Final.

Teams can't do this sort of thing without a great coach.

Goodwin's issue seems to be the complacency in the years following. Stubborness with the gameplan, misfires in recruiting and drafting, and letting poor behaviours creep into the culture.

Posters have thrown up all kinds of stats and comparisons in defence of Goodwin. We’re all aware of the what’s happened over the last few years but end of the day footy is a results driven business and we’re going backwards at a rate of knots. Our problems are far greater than missing some players due to injury. It’s over, thanks for everything you’ve done Simon. Here’s your payout, onwards and upwards.

27 minutes ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Posters have thrown up all kinds of stats and comparisons in defence of Goodwin. We’re all aware of the what’s happened over the last few years but end of the day footy is a results driven business and we’re going backwards at a rate of knots. Our problems are far greater than missing some players due to injury. It’s over, thanks for everything you’ve done Simon. Here’s your payout, onwards and upwards.

Dare I even add another reality..

Irrespective of the past,yours, mine, anyone's view is irrelevant essentially.

That was then.... this is now.

Folk need to look at things as they are now.

We're a bucket of poo currently with NO glimpses of significant ability to improve ( meaningfully)

I really want to be wrong...and see us quickly successful and utilise the final years of some of our older brigade.

5 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Dare I even add another reality..

Irrespective of the past,yours, mine, anyone's view is irrelevant essentially.

That was then.... this is now.

Folk need to look at things as they are now.

We're a bucket of poo currently with NO glimpses of significant ability to improve ( meaningfully)

I really want to be wrong...and see us quickly successful and utilise the final years of some of our older brigade.

For me if it purely down to a mass of key players injured I think a lot of us would cut him some slack (then again look at the Dogs) but our issues seem to be far greater than that.

In any scenario he gets paid out, i’d have more respect if he was to walk away.

Edited Friday at 07:551 day by Bombay Airconditioning

9 hours ago, KozzyCan said:

Scott is easily one of if not the best coach in the competition and measurably better than Goodwin. He's missed two finals series in 15 years, made 8 prelims, 3 grand finals and won two flags and holds a 70% win rate.

I don’t like him either Kozzy but I would have him in a heart beat as our head coach.

5 minutes ago, DemonOX said:

I don’t like him either Kozzy but I would have him in a heart beat as our head coach.

Same

Leave emotion out of it and treat it as a business

Business kpi is winning the GF. At the G. With all of us losing our collective minds

28 minutes ago, Superunknown said:

Same

Leave emotion out of it and treat it as a business

Business kpi is winning the GF. At the G. With all of us losing our collective minds

Someone gets it

33 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Someone gets it

In the short term it’s a voting machine and in the long term a weighing machine

I’m reticent to invest membership until it’s clear to me the leadership and strategy has changed

People get all emotional and say buy your membership no matter what

I say Nup bugger that

In a parallel universe that saw us got Chris Scott, our membership would increase from 50,000 to 70,000 at the click of a finger.

One of the sharpest minds in the recent years. A coach that keeps evolving Geelong from a 1 year dip to constant finals, prelim finals and premierships. And of course the ability to attract A grade talent in Cameron and Bailey Smith.

He’s also brilliant in press conferences.

Tonight’s result might be the end of Simon. But the bigger issue is how the hell does Choco keep his job.. KPI is skills and conversation.. both are shizen

25 minutes ago, SPC said:

Tonight’s result might be the end of Simon. But the bigger issue is how the hell does Choco keep his job.. KPI is skills and conversation.. both are shizen

agreed, conversation has been shocking!!

Here's an idea.
Just change the name.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Nn6H5pv7ky4?feature=share

Last year Goodwin lost his nerve and changed game plan mid year. This year he swore going in that he learned from this and will stick to his guns. I fear this may be the death of his career with us. We are desperate for change but he is locked into the same players in the same positions playing the same style that isn't working. We need a shake up and I don't think he is in any position to supply it.

2018 was brilliant. 2021 was amazing. I will.always be grateful for that, but we are going backwards fast.

3 hours ago, Tracca said:

agreed, conversation has been shocking!!

But what about the review

What a bunch of amatuers from President down

They are killing this club in my view

Everyone on This forum could see this weeks team lineup Was gonna be an issue, but the person paid to selecting a winning team Has stuffed up royally.

Our midfield has no one to kick To and that’s on goody. Hand your resignation in now .

Just call it Goody. There's no coming back from this.

It's time.

Goodwin is on borrowed time, things are getting worse rather than better. No improvements or shining lights whatsoever. He just has no idea what to do or how to do it.

Pretty hard to defend this. We are terrible to watch. If you’re gunna lose just have a crack through the middle and try and make it at least fun to watch

Just now, Dr. Gonzo said:

Goodwin is on borrowed time, things are getting worse rather than better. No improvements or shining lights whatsoever. He just has no idea what to do or how to do it.

He really has no answers. Decided to go with a smaller forwardline but changed nothing else so now we're just completely undersized and making the bombers defence look amazing. The Bombers! They havent been able to defend for 15 years.

It’s time we are as stale as a month old loaf of bread, need fresh eyes we need to be on the phone with Simpson and Longmire asap and gauge there interest, we will always be in Godwin’s debt for the flag in 21 but let’s stop flogging the dead horse already

Just now, KozzyCan said:

He really has no answers. Decided to go with a smaller forwardline but changed nothing else so now we're just completely undersized and making the bombers defence look amazing. The Bombers! They havent been able to defend for 15 years.

And we have a 200cm guy who can take marks. Mind blowingly stupid

Unless we miraculously win tonight and we get belted again, he should resign.

He has lost all the supporters, apparently his own players.

Show a modicum of pride and step aside.

25 minutes ago, Pipefitter said:

Everyone on This forum could see this weeks team lineup Was gonna be an issue, but the person paid to selecting a winning team Has stuffed up royally.

Our midfield has no one to kick To and that’s on goody. Hand your resignation in now .

Reminds me of the game that got Balmey sacked. Tried going small against Port and we struggled to kick 3 goals that night.

Enough's enough. Time to go.