The Norf game against adelaide today may go some way to determining goodys future.

Feels like Goodwin has reached the same point as Hardwick when he said he's tried to cook the sausage a thousand different ways and can't find a thousand and one.

I don't read replies or reactions

10 minutes ago, Beetle said:

Listened to Greeny on the way in today being interviewed on 3AW. A tough listen in itself, despite the commendable job he’s done standing in as President.

When asked about Goodwin he replied with the standard rhetoric response “the players absolutely love Goody”.

That’s all great and everything, but im a little sick of hearing it after results like today. Maybe the playing group love Goody because he’s a little too much of a soft touch and lets them get away with a little too much?

I’ve never played at this level but what I knew while playing was the you should “respect” your coach, to the point that you feared them and constantly tried to gain their approval. I can’t say that i ever loved a coach but I did respect a coach enough to run through a brick wall for them.

I know the above is a generational thing, but this team has way too many players expecting to get selected the following week no matter what their performance is like.

Player's coach. Bit like ND. You love to play for them but they'll never get the best out of you.

Love that Goody gave me that long awaited flag, but, more and more, I think his useby date is up.

FF . . . there is a very high prospect of Goody's win/loss record falling below that of Swooper's this year.

2017 9th missed finals by “0.49%”

2018 preliminary final

2019 🤮🤮🤮17th

2020 9th missed finals by “1.7%”

2021 🏆 Premiers ❤️💙❤️💙❤️💙❤️

2022 finished 2nd / straight set finals losses

2023 finished 3rd / straight set finals losses

2024 started 6-2, then ended up 11-12 and 14th

8 years , 4 finals , 4 missed finals

2025 …? 0-3. So far, not good

Evolve or die….

We are wasting some of the greatest Demons of all time.

20 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Goody’s been with the club for a decade now. This is our worst start to a season in six years. Under him, we won a flag and had several top four finishes, with ‘22 and ‘23 being missed opportunities. I’m all for discussing who our next coach might be, but I think we could go about it with a bit more class and respect for Goody.

Rewriting history here.

Actually he coached well in 2018, 2021 and arguably 2023.

2017 was an abject failure, 2019 & 2020 were disasters, 2022 was a badly missed opportunity & 2024 was probably out of his control.

He was given a great list & has squandered it.

By his own admission he has struggled a number of times in 2019 and 2024, admitted to flipping back to the old game plan mid season in 24 after the new one saw huge scores kicked against, so what’s different to the current one, either it’s flawed or the players don't understand. So there will be be a breaking point and who would the candidates??

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

2017 9th missed finals by “0.49%”

2018 preliminary final

2019 🤮🤮🤮17th

2020 9th missed finals by “1.7%”

2021 🏆 Premiers ❤️💙❤️💙❤️💙❤️

2022 finished 2nd / straight set finals losses

2023 finished 3rd / straight set finals losses

2024 started 6-2, then ended up 11-12 and 14th

8 years , 4 finals , 4 missed finals

2025 …? 0-3. So far, not good

Also our performance in finals at the G very sus.

Edited Sunday at 11:472 days by ElDiablo14

50 minutes ago, JJJ said:

Evolve or die….

We are wasting some of the greatest Demons of all time.

This

Except : wasted

On 30/03/2025 at 00:36, kurtneverdied said:

Don't think it's time to think for a rebuild as we haven't got next next years first and perhaps whoever coaches next will tell the players they have faith we can still make the 8 and bring and bring some spark back and hope of success.

Regardless of whether or not we have pick one, we cannot wait to start a rebuild, as next year is the ‘Tassie draft’ and as such, will be severely compromised for ALL clubs, except Tassie of course.

We will have to trade players for picks, and as I opined in another thread, the most likely candidates are Trac and Kossie, who will (read, should) net us at least three first rounders and a second rounder in this year’s draft. There’s no time to hesitate!

14 hours ago, ElDiablo14 said:

Also our performance in finals at the G very sus.

Goodwin has a horrible record at our home ground pretty sure it's below 50%

Conversely he's had a much better record on the road than any other coach in my lifetime, but that record isn't going to look as flattering by years end.

On 30/03/2025 at 08:00, Redleg_Knowledge said:

The coach is at the top of the tree when deciding type of player required for game-plan, player selection, player position and list changes.

I don't think this gets underscored enough.

It's not just for theatre when you see videos where the coach is participating in list management discussions.

On 30/03/2025 at 05:12, bing181 said:

Many here are wildly over-emphasising the influence that a coach has on a team. I know I'm a cracked record on this, but the only way to improve a team is through improving the list.

The evidence is all around us, but as always, people look for the easy solution rather than the right solution.

Our list is easily a finals list.

Some of the vision we're seeing of our efforts over the past couple of weeks is truly damning and screams of a team who don't believe in their coach, system or teammates. Realstically Goodwin has two months to turn this around before the club will be forced to make a decision.

I don't see a way for Goodwin to resolve this with his current all positive lovey-dovey approach. At some point you need to give the players some hard truths.

Edited yesterday at 02:191 day by KozzyCan

The players can't adapt to a new system and that's the fault of the coach?

Maybe we need to identify the players who can't change and reduce their roles and/or trade

To just blame the coach is too simplistic. There are complexities at play when adopting a completely new type of offense

What we need to do is be patient and watch & wait

Right now, I reckon the Board sacking the coach is the furthest thing from their collective minds

The Board would know that the coach and the FD are trying to change and they'll also know that Rome wasn't built in a day

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

The players can't adapt to a new system and that's the fault of the coach?

Yes, a good coach will tailor the game plan to the players he has at his disposal. There is no point asking a group of unskilled footballers to be a high possession side, or looking at a bunch of plodders to be racing through the midfield and breaking lines. That's not what we have to work with.

I'm not 100% convinced that Hawthorn's game plan will bring them a premiership, but Mitchell has them playing a style of football that is totally in tune with the players that he has at his disposal. That is what Goodwin needs to sort out and fast.

5 minutes ago, poita said:

Yes, a good coach will tailor the game plan to the players he has at his disposal. There is no point asking a group of unskilled footballers to be a high possession side, or looking at a bunch of plodders to be racing through the midfield and breaking lines. That's not what we have to work with.

I'm not 100% convinced that Hawthorn's game plan will bring them a premiership, but Mitchell has them playing a style of football that is totally in tune with the players that he has at his disposal. That is what Goodwin needs to sort out and fast.

And it took Mitchell quite a deal of time before his game plan clicked into gear

Did it take him 50 games?

We had to change and if we look at the 4 midfield draftees that we've brought in over the last 2 off-seasons, maybe the plan started earlier than we thought

And of course, we are therefore a work in progress so stability at the top is all-important

Trade out those who don't want to be part of it ... and give the coach a good go at it

If it goes completely pear-shaped re-evaluate at seasons end

As much as I have practically lost faith in Goody he will not be removed, if he's removed at all, until close to or at season end. I don't think a caretaker will suddenly change our fortunes (unless we have someone like Longmuir ready to parachute in) so there's no point removing him soon.

Let's see how the season evolves. But jeez, the last 2 performances have been putrid so its going to take a lot of work to sort things out.

31 minutes ago, Macca said:

And it took Mitchell quite a deal of time before his game plan clicked into gear

Did it take him 50 games?

We had to change and if we look at the 4 midfield draftees that we've brought in over the last 2 off-seasons, maybe the plan started earlier than we thought

And of course, we are therefore a work in progress so stability at the top is all-important

Trade out those who don't want to be part of it ... and give the coach a good go at it

If it goes completely pear-shaped re-evaluate at seasons end

Ffs Macca.. Goody didn't just come on board.

This is not an overnight debacle.... this shizen fest has been years in the making.

People still want tostick heads in sand

19 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

Ffs Macca.. Goody didn't just come on board.

This is not an overnight debacle.... this shizen fest has been years in the making.

People still want tostick heads in sand

Give it a rest

You are like a broken record

Your view is simplistic and your hatred of Goodwin is weird

43 minutes ago, poita said:

I'm not 100% convinced that Hawthorn's game plan will bring them a premiership, but Mitchell has them playing a style of football that is totally in tune with the players that he has at his disposal.

Hawthorn have done well under Mitchell but it's been a clear and well done re-build
Drafted in - Barrass/Chol/D'Ambrosio/Ginnivan/Meek/Gunston (again)
Free Agents - Amon/Battle
All doing a great job in the team - compare that to our Free agents/players drafted in.
They've also drafted well with Watson, Weddle and others

Obviously they had a much better cap position to enable the rebuild but they've targeted well for the gameplan that SM wants to play, we're doing it on the run with trying to re-set and re-build

1 minute ago, Macca said:

Give it a rest

You are like a broken record

Your view is simplistic and your hatred of Goodwin is weird

I don't hate Goodwin. I really could give a flying proverbial about the bloke. What I think.about him one way or another as a person is irrelevant. I actually think not a sec upon him as a person.

What I think , quite frankly , is we're in a total mess. Should I ignore that ?

But I'm not going anywhere ... so put me on ignore

1 minute ago, beelzebub said:

I don't hate Goodwin. I really could give a flying proverbial about the bloke. What I think.about him one way or another as a person is irrelevant. I actually think not a sec upon him as a person.

What I think , quite frankly , is we're in a total mess. Should I ignore that ?

But I'm not going anywhere ... so put me on ignore

It's sad that you couldn't even enjoy the 2021 flag

As for your views on Goodwin, you've probably told us 1000 times

We heard you the first time

1 minute ago, Macca said:

It's sad that you couldn't even enjoy the 2021 flag

As for your views on Goodwin, you've probably told us 1000 times

We heard you the first time

How're we travelling Macca