On 07/10/2024 at 10:04, Sir Why You Little said:

Seriously this guy needs to back off…

where’s Ray Shoesmith….

Starting any post as a media company with "I still think that..." should be grounds for revocation of your broadcast licence.

  On 07/10/2024 at 10:08, KLV said:

We are the ones that shopped him around, now Tim Lamb says it was never our intention to trade him. (except if we were offered a great deal).

Sadly, we look like hypocrites 

Tim Lamb: “Shopped him around is not a correct statement.”

We categorically did not “shop him around” prove otherwise or stop supporting a media campaign that is getting more ridiculous by the day.

Edited October 7, 2024Oct 7 by deejammin'

  On 07/10/2024 at 10:11, deejammin' said:

Tim Lamb: “Shopped him around is not a correct statement.”

We categorically did not “shop him around” prove otherwise or stop supporting a media campaign that is getting more ridiculous by the day.

Are we to disbelieve the reports that Pert called select clubs telling them Oliver could be available?

  On 07/10/2024 at 10:13, KLV said:

Are we to disbelieve the reports that Pert called select clubs telling them Oliver could be available?

In the presser today, Lamb a dead set straight shooter, who wouldn’t even spin whether we were an attractive destination for players at the moment categorically denied that Pert “shopped around” Clayton Oliver. Pert may have spoken to clubs about a range of things, but Oliver was “was never up for trade” and not “shopped around”. So yes, I do not believe the reports Pert called one other club now, not even multiple clubs, Jay Clark was saying one club now, to offer Oliver in trade. Whatever happened, whatever the other club official who leaked this thought, or misrepresented, Lamb was clearly stating today we weren’t offering Oliver for trade. 

Edited October 7, 2024Oct 7 by deejammin'

  On 07/10/2024 at 10:04, Sir Why You Little said:

Seriously this guy needs to back off…

where’s Ray Shoesmith….

My feeling towards McClure...

 

Edited October 7, 2024Oct 7 by John Demonic

  On 07/10/2024 at 01:48, deejammin' said:

I’m now very certain Geelong and Clarry’s manager caused this. They spoke to Pert to determine a value, we didn’t provide one, he was never up for trade, Geelong pushed hard to pitch to him, Clarry met with them but never asked for a trade. Geelong created the story and are trying to look graceful in backing away.
 

Whether Pert made a mistake and was drawn into a conversation about Clarry’s value stupidly given he wasn’t tradable is the only remaining question. This is far more a media than an MFC circus. Only possible one at fault is Pert.

The only MFC public statements from Richo, Green and Lamb have been 100% consistent. The rest is unconfirmed media whispers. 

I can't help but feel that most of this rubbish from both Tracc and Clayton's fiascos has been stirred up by their player management group. I.e. same company.

Didn't a poster on here say that a question was asked about Oliver a couple of months ago and the club didn't shut it down? I think it's pretty obvious that Geelong contacted us about Clarry because it's been common knowledge they have been after him for a while. It sounds like lamb is telling the truth when he says we didn't shop him around. The question from Geelong wasn't shot down and then was leaked which is why Melbourne look really bad. It sounds like Geelong are just feeding the media in the hope we will crumble because of all the bad press. 

  On 07/10/2024 at 10:43, Flowergirl said:

Didn't a poster on here say that a question was asked about Oliver a couple of months ago and the club didn't shut it down? I think it's pretty obvious that Geelong contacted us about Clarry because it's been common knowledge they have been after him for a while. It sounds like lamb is telling the truth when he says we didn't shop him around. The question from Geelong wasn't shot down and then was leaked which is why Melbourne look really bad. It sounds like Geelong are just feeding the media in the hope we will crumble because of all the bad press. 

According to Andrew Mackie Geelong was contacted by Oliver's manager who thought it might be in Clayton's best interest that he move to another club. 

Bear in mind that his manager would pick up 5% of a new contract.

Tim Lamb said Clayton was not shopped around. I believe him. I do not believe Pert made phone calls as McClure claims.

  On 07/10/2024 at 10:13, KLV said:

Are we to disbelieve the reports that Pert called select clubs telling them Oliver could be available?

Yes, until PROVEN otherwise. We should disbelieve it.

No one should take Sam McClure seriously. Using the word "journalist" in the same sentence as him is not advisable.

Clarry with be at MFC next season and I am tipping he comes back with some good form in season 2025.

Is Sam McClure related to Troy McClure? 

  On 07/10/2024 at 11:44, Ethan Tremblay said:

Is Sam McClure related to Troy McClure? 

 

  On 07/10/2024 at 11:44, Ethan Tremblay said:

Is Sam McClure related to Troy McClure? 

Must be - he’s starting to look like Sellers.

Who is this 'Sam Manure' and why should I bother with him?

This whole thing could have been handled way better if we just carried the Paul Roos mantra of 'anyone is tradable for the right price'. Would take all the pressure off the club for 'shopping players around' and players would never feel like the club is dealing behind their back. If a player gets chased while they're in contract you just tell them its fine and they can explore it but the deal has to work for us. All the secret dealing behind the scenes, leaks to the media followed by emphatic statements just make the club look silly and rudderless as soon as circumstances change.

  On 07/10/2024 at 21:27, KozzyCan said:

This whole thing could have been handled way better if we just carried the Paul Roos mantra of 'anyone is tradable for the right price'. Would take all the pressure off the club for 'shopping players around' and players would never feel like the club is dealing behind their back. If a player gets chased while they're in contract you just tell them its fine and they can explore it but the deal has to work for us. All the secret dealing behind the scenes, leaks to the media followed by emphatic statements just make the club look silly and rudderless as soon as circumstances change.

Well said. We don't need club officials coming out and saying "We love Clarry". Clubs and players need to be more mature about what goes on behind the scenes when it comes to trades. And it's a two way street. 

The reality is that if Richmond or North had shown interest, and were prepared to offer a fair trade, then the club would have been happy to trade him. Once Geelong became the only suitor, a trade was never going to get done.

Lamb and co. can deny that Oliver was "shopped around", but we wouldn't have 100 pages of "Oliver trade rumours" if he wasn't. It's naive for people on here to think that it was a media beat up.

 

Edited October 7, 2024Oct 7 by mo64

  On 07/10/2024 at 21:48, mo64 said:

Well said. We don't need club officials coming out and saying "We love Clarry". Clubs and players need to be more mature about what goes on behind the scenes when it comes to trades. And it's a two way street. 

The reality is that if Richmond or North had shown interest, and were prepared to offer a fair trade, then the club would have been happy to trade him. Once Geelong became the only suitor, a trade was never going to get done.

Lamb and co. can deny that Oliver was "shopped around", but we wouldn't have 100 pages of "Oliver trade rumours" if he wasn't. It's naive for people on here to think that it was a media beat up.

 

Yeah, we would.

  On 07/10/2024 at 01:54, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Except that Clarry liked the instagram post that said he could be joining Bayley Smith and Jack Martin at the Cattery. 

As text has no context, it could be possibly interpreted as sarcasm too. 

  On 07/10/2024 at 23:19, Lexinator said:

As text has no context, it could be possibly interpreted as sarcasm too. 

I think it was probably a joke. You don't get to change your mind after you have done it, and I suspect it was like the occasion where he clutched at his hamstring at training as a joke.

  On 07/10/2024 at 21:27, KozzyCan said:

This whole thing could have been handled way better if we just carried the Paul Roos mantra of 'anyone is tradable for the right price'. Would take all the pressure off the club for 'shopping players around' and players would never feel like the club is dealing behind their back. If a player gets chased while they're in contract you just tell them its fine and they can explore it but the deal has to work for us. All the secret dealing behind the scenes, leaks to the media followed by emphatic statements just make the club look silly and rudderless as soon as circumstances change.

It is Media Management 101 when you can't definitively answer:

You don't lie, and you don't tell the truth. You dance around the truth and sit on the lie. 

 

Key messages:

Clayton is very important to our team, he's highly valued by us and we love him at the club.

Trade period is the only time of year where teams can come together to talk about improving their lists.

During trade period you get trade offers, and you might spend 5 seconds or 5 days weighting up that offer.

We are not actively seeking to trade Clayton.

We can't stop teams from actively pursuing him or any other player during trade period. 

  On 07/10/2024 at 01:54, Rab D Nesbitt said:

Except that Clarry liked the instagram post that said he could be joining Bayley Smith and Jack Martin at the Cattery. 

I reckon that's funny and shows how Clarry likes sticking it up maggots as well

This will be hugely unpopular, but I believe with limited knowledge of the internal situation, that Melbourne will regret not trading one or more of Clarry, Trac or Kos. I have a feeling that one or more will request a trade next year. 
Happy to be wrong, hoping I’m wrong.. 

  On 08/10/2024 at 01:00, SPC said:

Happy to be wrong, hoping I’m wrong.. 

I hope you're wrong as well, but think this is extremely likely, mainly because I don't think we're ready to bounce back and win finals in 2025. 

But I'm not convinced that we'll regret not doing it this year. Oliver is surely at his lowest 'value' in a decade. I have extremely high hopes for an exceptional Pickett season in 2025. Petracca may struggle to get on the park, but who was going to fit him into their cap and offer something enticing this year? All are in contract next year. 

  On 08/10/2024 at 01:00, SPC said:

This will be hugely unpopular, but I believe with limited knowledge of the internal situation, that Melbourne will regret not trading one or more of Clarry, Trac or Kos. I have a feeling that one or more will request a trade next year. 
Happy to be wrong, hoping I’m wrong.. 

We'd likely be getting unders for all three this year so not sure why we'd regret it.

  On 08/10/2024 at 01:00, SPC said:

This will be hugely unpopular, but I believe with limited knowledge of the internal situation, that Melbourne will regret not trading one or more of Clarry, Trac or Kos. I have a feeling that one or more will request a trade next year. 
Happy to be wrong, hoping I’m wrong.. 

if we crash and burn next year then I’d trade one or both  for 2 very high picks each, I’d just be on the front foot about it and own the decision across the whole club. Crash the media by spelling out what we’re doing and why. I’d do everything possible to keep Kozz.