The possible Oliver trade discussion really helps Geelong.

No doubt the Dogs think pick 15 is not enough for Bailey Smith and would be angling for 15 + F1 with the Dogs F2 back.

The potential Oliver trade quarantining F1 torpedoes this Dogs' idea.

Likewise the Smith trade torpedoes MFC negotiating decent value for Oliver.

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:32, drdrake said:

Easy to say some club will take him on but we have to get a trade that works.

it depends on the extent to which the club wants to move him on and make a fresh start. if we think he's too mcuh of a disruption such that keeping him around is just not worth it then we'll have to take what we can get.

  On 02/10/2024 at 21:20, bing181 said:

 

 

Can anyone tell me who/which table he was sitting on at the Brownlow??
 

Saw all of the insta photos of him getting his haircut and posing with some bloke I’ve never seen who appeared to be his +1 but I never saw him on the Dees’ table and nor was there any account of him on Gawn/Lever/May/Viney accounts or the Dees’ account?!

A player like Windsor must be looking at this all and wondering why did I recommit so early...

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:39, Mickey said:

Sorry, but this is not a normal employer/employee relationship. Just offloading him for peanuts has the potential to set this club's list back years, and frankly I'm not interested in sitting where we were from 2007-2017 again.

If the club believes they need to trade him, either it's for a decent return or we make it work for 12 mths and try to maximise his value. You don't just offload a guy to the detriment of your own position

We did. He got warned last year at trade time and agreed to certain things to make it work, we kept him on that basis and it sounds like he hasn’t held up his end. 

  On 02/10/2024 at 19:28, KozzyCan said:

Hope everyone is okay!

Yeah all good, nothing to see here except a grumpy DL poster.

  On 02/10/2024 at 14:34, gs77 said:

It better not be, because with the turmoil we're going through and the bottom-4 trajectory we're on, it's inconceivable that Trac doesn't seek a trade next year. His preferred suitors have ample time to make list and cap arrangements in the meantime. 

What's the deal with Trac I thought he was contracted Have the club done a deal with him to stay one year

contracts  aren't  enforceable?

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:38, picket fence said:

Fact?????

100% fact.

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:31, beelzebub said:

Just watch Clarry bugger off to the 🐈 and be a reborn star ... 
Ppl talk about culture at a club... but  It is imho as much about 'smarts'...footy nouse ...and Dees  don't have a lot... can't  !!

Some clubs are better at managing things....

Why are people so concerned with him playing well for another club? WHO CARES?? Much like the [censored] around and find out graph, there comes a point where talent no longer outweighs drama and I believe we have reached that point.  He clearly cant be trusted by US and thats what it comes down to. If he is a changed man and gets on the straight and narrow at Geelong so be it but clearly the club believe its not going to happen here if we trade him. We only know about the issues in the media, im sure there is plenty more the club has covered up for Oliver over the journey. 

  On 02/10/2024 at 21:20, bing181 said:

 

 

The buck should stop with the coach and footy dept. If they want him then why the hell is the front office undermining him?

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:41, Fanatique Demon said:

This is all very distressing.
At my age, I’d be better off choosing to follow a club with a chance of a premiership in the next couple of years. At least I’d be giving myself some enjoyment. 
So putting aside the sunk cost of 7 decades following Melbourne, and making a choice for the now, which club would be the best to follow? Yes, heresy, but a serious question. 

Good question and interesting thought experiment - I’ve often thought about this. My thinking was:

- maternal grandfather and family all mad Tigers - rich history, close to the G, close in terms of suburbs. Don’t hate the Tigers. Fans have got a bit obnoxious after 3 flags (wouldn’t we all!)

- up until the Maynard incident, was coming around to them - rich history, good song, good team, parental grandfather Pies, wife and family Pies

- Lions ? We’re 3 hrs south of Bris, Fitzroy connection

- I’m 90mins south of Metricon so the Suns, but just no 

- Swans for South Mel connection, range of pros and cons

 

id much prefer we got ourselves sorted out and run like Geelong 

How did it not leak earlier about Clarry at the Brownlow?

He has to be the most watched player in the league in terms of off field behaviour, and there would easy be 1000 players, coaches, partners and media there. Surely someone would've said something earlier.

  On 02/10/2024 at 21:20, bing181 said:

 

 

Well blow me away.. not surprised one bit.

This is going to be an absolute distraction each and every year he's with us.

Either the leadership group are too weak to control him or they're simply just fed up and had enough of his [censored].

Clearly he's not willing to grow up.

Happily support the club on this if they decided to trade him.

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:39, Mickey said:

Sorry, but this is not a normal employer/employee relationship. Just offloading him for peanuts has the potential to set this club's list back years, and frankly I'm not interested in sitting where we were from 2007-2017 again.

If the club believes they need to trade him, either it's for a decent return or we make it work for 12 mths and try to maximise his value. You don't just offload a guy to the detriment of your own position

I'm  thinking 🤔 ....  we've been there..... done that 😉 

yeah i heard about the brownlow bit a day ago, and obviously it's now out in the ether...

he was partying hard with a fellow party boy from another party-happy club

final straw apparently

I've never met Clarry but from what i've heard others say he's a good lad. just very immature. I wish him no ill will at all.

A good woman could be a stabilising influence but there doesn't appear to be one in his life at the moment unfortunately. 

Perhaps Geelong is a good destination for him. Get away from the temptations in Melbourne. It might help him to grow up.

I'm just sad at these developments

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:50, layzie said:

The buck should stop with the coach and footy dept. If they want him then why the hell is the front office undermining him?

In the vast majority of cases, yes. You wouldn't want the top level getting involved at a level as granular as determining list needs, or trying to court a big name player.

If this is about behavioral issues, the admin and CEO set the direction and if clear standards were set that have been breached by Oliver and the coach/footy dept are unwilling to take action then that's a problem.

That is to say that it's not Pert's job to actually start fielding offers from other clubs and going over their heads is a disgrace. He needs to trust the list management and coach to get that done.

Real dogs breakfast this situation.

Ultimately if playing group has run out of patience with Oliver then his time is up. Goodwin and other coaches just have to accept this.

Its up to Connor Sports to work out a deal where Geelong pay all of whatever contract he agrees to and Geelong provides acceptable trade return.

We get cap space, trade return and much needed clean air.

Geelong get Oliver and associated ongoing management of his non football issues to add to Stengle and Smith. It might work. It might not.

 

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:43, Fromgotowoewodin said:

We did. He got warned last year at trade time and agreed to certain things to make it work, we kept him on that basis and it sounds like he hasn’t held up his end. 

But all this year did was tank his value. The choice is to move him out for chips now, or hope he can cash in on his seeming better attitude (but acknowledging its still not great) and doing a preseason to then trade him for at least some semblance of value.

Unless he is having an absolutely toxic effect on the group, why would you throw him out for nothing? It will kill our list going forward

I've lived in the Geelong region for more than 40 years. Most of my mates are long time Cats' members, and a few belong to coterie groups. I know the families of a couple of the players as I taught the sons. I receive quite a bit of intel relating to the GFC. If Geelong wants a player, they'll get him. Money talks. I have no doubt that one of the attractions that the Cats offer is cash or 'product' - and heaps of it. Obviously outside the salary cap. A huge grocery supplier, a large car dealer et al. throw $millions at the club.  Jobs and cars to family members, and on it goes. When their former CEO was courted by Carlton, Costa doubled his salary. If Geelong wants Clarrie, and he wants out, only the MFC holding him to his contract will prevent it.

It's a big challenge for clubs in our position. There's only one short player movement period when they have an opportunity to take action.

Oliver played all season and that was good for his progress, we saw that he went off the rails last year when playing was not possible. Recently playing has stopped again and it's possible there are signs that he's not progressing well any more.

The club has to read the tea leaves and make a decision if that's the case because there's only one short and imminent time for action. We can't just wait and see how the summers pans out.

Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by old55

  On 02/10/2024 at 22:53, seventyfour said:

How did it not leak earlier about Clarry at the Brownlow?

He has to be the most watched player in the league in terms of off field behaviour, and there would easy be 1000 players, coaches, partners and media there. Surely someone would've said something earlier.

The count itself is only a few hours of the festivities.

Deep breath.  It’s difficult. I agree it’s gut wrenching !!  We love the MFC.  We are a kicking bag right now, as through many issues from js29 to Trac to now Clarry, it appears to be in completely mismanaged.

People questioning the club over possible trade… what’s the responsibility on the  player who has been well supported by the club and may still not be meeting certain standards whilst other senior players are busting their back sides.. comes a time were players need to take responsibility, this is how you build culture