I’m curious how every single thing Clarry was up to last off season was widely known immediately by everyone, and yet these apparent new off field incidents have only come to light today as we try to justify putting Clarry on the trade table. 

I am not suggesting this isn’t true, it absolutely might be. Timing however is interesting. 

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I’m curious how every single thing Clarry was up to last off season was widely known immediately by everyone, and yet these apparent new off field incidents have only come to light today as we try to justify putting Clarry on the trade table. 

I am not suggesting this isn’t true, it absolutely might be. Timing however is interesting. 

 I'd rather be told the reasons for putting Oliver on the trade table, than having the whole football world constantly speculating. 

And it definitely makes the trade more palatable to accept.

6 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I’m curious how every single thing Clarry was up to last off season was widely known immediately by everyone, and yet these apparent new off field incidents have only come to light today as we try to justify putting Clarry on the trade table. 

I am not suggesting this isn’t true, it absolutely might be. Timing however is interesting. 

Jack of all this [censored],wish someone from the MFC would tell the truth and nothing but the truth about Oliver

Far out Sam McClure put out some rubbish re Oliver on his podcast. 

Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by Ethan Tremblay

2 minutes ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

Far out Sam McClure out some rubbish re Oliver on his podcast. 

You should seek counselling for listening to a Sam McClure podcast. 😁

nothing is ever as a good or bad as it is said in the media or by the club. didnt Viney have a tour with Geelong not so long ago

7 minutes ago, mo64 said:

You should seek counselling for listening to a Sam McClure podcast. 😁

I’m not a self-harmer! I read an excerpt from the podcast in an article. McClure also claimed that Stanley just happened to be in the area when Oliver was meeting with Stewart. The three actually met at Stanley’s farm. McClure is a McLoser. 

Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by Ethan Tremblay

2 minutes ago, cookieboc said:

nothing is ever as a good or bad as it is said in the media or by the club. didnt Viney have a tour with Geelong not so long ago

Kangaroos. Then next day, announced his extension. 

As the root cause of many of Melbourne's problems - you can take this to the bank.

Clayton Oliver’s combination of athletic excellence and moments of emotional immaturity can be viewed through the lens of a more complex Jungian archetype. Specifically, Oliver embodies elements of the Puer Aeternus, or the "eternal boy." This archetype is characterized by an individual who, despite physical or intellectual maturity, may struggle with emotional growth. It often manifests in those who are full of energy, creativity, and drive but lack the emotional grounding that comes with true maturity. In Oliver’s case, while he excels on the field in a disciplined, Warrior-like manner, his moments of emotional immaturity suggest an inner conflict between his professional responsibilities and his emotional development.

The Puer Aeternus represents vitality, enthusiasm, and boundless energy—traits that align perfectly with Oliver’s on-field performance. His resilience, creativity, and unwavering commitment to his team showcase his remarkable ability to thrive in high-pressure environments, embodying attributes often celebrated in athletes who combine physical prowess with mental tenacity.

However, this archetype also carries a shadow side—marked by impulsivity, emotional immaturity, and a struggle with long-term responsibility. Despite his incredible skill and leadership potential, Oliver’s emotional responses at times reflect the behavior of someone who hasn’t fully integrated mature emotional intelligence. In high-pressure or frustrating moments, his reactions can appear childlike, characterized by irritability or an inability to control his emotions, traits that one might not expect from someone in his position.

The Puer Aeternus often resists grounding in the realities of life, avoiding the maturation process necessary for developing emotional stability. For Oliver, this can be seen in his moments of frustration when things don’t go his way on the field or in interactions with teammates, coaches, or opponents. This archetypal resistance to growth into the Senex (the wise elder) phase, where wisdom and restraint guide decisions, highlights his inner tension.

This dynamic is not uncommon in highly talented individuals. In many cases, those who excel in one area—such as Oliver’s dominance in football—can sometimes neglect other aspects of personal growth, like emotional maturity. The Puer Aeternus lives in the moment, often struggling with delayed gratification, which can be observed in Oliver’s occasional reactivity, both in his gameplay and emotional interactions.

It’s important to note that the Puer Aeternus is not inherently negative. Many great leaders and innovators exhibit this archetype, as it fosters creativity, energy, and a fearless approach to challenges. However, for Clayton Oliver to reach his full potential, reconciling this Puer Aeternus energy with the Warrior archetype—or even transitioning into the King archetype, which embodies balance, authority, and maturity—will be crucial. This shift would allow him to not only dominate on the field but also become a more emotionally grounded and effective leader.

If Oliver can integrate the emotional maturity required to temper his Puer Aeternus tendencies while maintaining the drive and fearlessness that defines his Warrior spirit, he has the potential to evolve into a complete player and leader. This growth would enable him to handle the pressures of leadership, not just in football but in his broader life, making him a more resilient, composed, and impactful individual both on and off the field.

1 minute ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

As the root cause of many of Melbourne's problems - you can take this to the bank.

Clayton Oliver’s combination of athletic excellence and moments of emotional immaturity can be viewed through the lens of a more complex Jungian archetype. Specifically, Oliver embodies elements of the Puer Aeternus, or the "eternal boy." This archetype is characterized by an individual who, despite physical or intellectual maturity, may struggle with emotional growth. It often manifests in those who are full of energy, creativity, and drive but lack the emotional grounding that comes with true maturity. In Oliver’s case, while he excels on the field in a disciplined, Warrior-like manner, his moments of emotional immaturity suggest an inner conflict between his professional responsibilities and his emotional development.

The Puer Aeternus represents vitality, enthusiasm, and boundless energy—traits that align perfectly with Oliver’s on-field performance. His resilience, creativity, and unwavering commitment to his team showcase his remarkable ability to thrive in high-pressure environments, embodying attributes often celebrated in athletes who combine physical prowess with mental tenacity.

However, this archetype also carries a shadow side—marked by impulsivity, emotional immaturity, and a struggle with long-term responsibility. Despite his incredible skill and leadership potential, Oliver’s emotional responses at times reflect the behavior of someone who hasn’t fully integrated mature emotional intelligence. In high-pressure or frustrating moments, his reactions can appear childlike, characterized by irritability or an inability to control his emotions, traits that one might not expect from someone in his position.

The Puer Aeternus often resists grounding in the realities of life, avoiding the maturation process necessary for developing emotional stability. For Oliver, this can be seen in his moments of frustration when things don’t go his way on the field or in interactions with teammates, coaches, or opponents. This archetypal resistance to growth into the Senex (the wise elder) phase, where wisdom and restraint guide decisions, highlights his inner tension.

This dynamic is not uncommon in highly talented individuals. In many cases, those who excel in one area—such as Oliver’s dominance in football—can sometimes neglect other aspects of personal growth, like emotional maturity. The Puer Aeternus lives in the moment, often struggling with delayed gratification, which can be observed in Oliver’s occasional reactivity, both in his gameplay and emotional interactions.

It’s important to note that the Puer Aeternus is not inherently negative. Many great leaders and innovators exhibit this archetype, as it fosters creativity, energy, and a fearless approach to challenges. However, for Clayton Oliver to reach his full potential, reconciling this Puer Aeternus energy with the Warrior archetype—or even transitioning into the King archetype, which embodies balance, authority, and maturity—will be crucial. This shift would allow him to not only dominate on the field but also become a more emotionally grounded and effective leader.

If Oliver can integrate the emotional maturity required to temper his Puer Aeternus tendencies while maintaining the drive and fearlessness that defines his Warrior spirit, he has the potential to evolve into a complete player and leader. This growth would enable him to handle the pressures of leadership, not just in football but in his broader life, making him a more resilient, composed, and impactful individual both on and off the field.

Calm down, ChatGPT. 

27 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I’m curious how every single thing Clarry was up to last off season was widely known immediately by everyone, and yet these apparent new off field incidents have only come to light today as we try to justify putting Clarry on the trade table. 

I am not suggesting this isn’t true, it absolutely might be. Timing however is interesting. 

It’s starting to grate how much negative information about players (be it Oliver, Petracca, etc.) gets leaked once the club starts to look bad in a PR sense. 

Questioning our culture due to ‘recreational behaviours’ is something, but so easily backgrounding against your own players when the narrative runs against you screams terrible culture and weak leadership. We’ve seen this in political parties of all persuasions and usually ends badly. 

It’s corrosive and toxic.

Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by ChaserJ

23 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

I’m curious how every single thing Clarry was up to last off season was widely known immediately by everyone, and yet these apparent new off field incidents have only come to light today as we try to justify putting Clarry on the trade table. 

I am not suggesting this isn’t true, it absolutely might be. Timing however is interesting. 

Totally agree.

All year we were told how many boxes he was ticking.

So apparently he was ticking them all right up until the last minute. 

32 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

 

 

"A couple of off-field incidents in recent weeks have put Clayton Oliver back in the trade spotlight for the second time in 12 months.

It’s understood Oliver’s recent behaviour has again tested the patience of some teammates, while the club has been disappointed in some things he has not committed to."

 

What did he do? You can't just say off-field, it's the bloody off season.  Everyone would assume the worst but who knows. What targets is he meant to be meeting In September, on his holidays away from the club?  I am sick of these vague BS articles

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Literally zero proof pert has leaked that. Sure it’s possible but don’t talk about it like it’s fact. 

Hahaha are you serious? Use your brain. Who else is it in the best interests of to leak the news that Oliver hasn’t been holding up his end of the bargain recently? Oliver’s management? No, they want to portray him in the best light possible. The MFC footy department? No, they want to keep him at the club. The only person to gain from painting Oliver in a bad light is Pert as he’s the one currently in the gun to supporters for shopping him around “for no good reason”. 

Edited October 2, 2024Oct 2 by Dee Boys

18 minutes ago, Queanbeyan Demon said:

As the root cause of many of Melbourne's problems - you can take this to the bank.

Clayton Oliver’s combination of athletic excellence and moments of emotional immaturity can be viewed through the lens of a more complex Jungian archetype. Specifically, Oliver embodies elements of the Puer Aeternus, or the "eternal boy." This archetype is characterized by an individual who, despite physical or intellectual maturity, may struggle with emotional growth. It often manifests in those who are full of energy, creativity, and drive but lack the emotional grounding that comes with true maturity. In Oliver’s case, while he excels on the field in a disciplined, Warrior-like manner, his moments of emotional immaturity suggest an inner conflict between his professional responsibilities and his emotional development.

The Puer Aeternus represents vitality, enthusiasm, and boundless energy—traits that align perfectly with Oliver’s on-field performance. His resilience, creativity, and unwavering commitment to his team showcase his remarkable ability to thrive in high-pressure environments, embodying attributes often celebrated in athletes who combine physical prowess with mental tenacity.

However, this archetype also carries a shadow side—marked by impulsivity, emotional immaturity, and a struggle with long-term responsibility. Despite his incredible skill and leadership potential, Oliver’s emotional responses at times reflect the behavior of someone who hasn’t fully integrated mature emotional intelligence. In high-pressure or frustrating moments, his reactions can appear childlike, characterized by irritability or an inability to control his emotions, traits that one might not expect from someone in his position.

The Puer Aeternus often resists grounding in the realities of life, avoiding the maturation process necessary for developing emotional stability. For Oliver, this can be seen in his moments of frustration when things don’t go his way on the field or in interactions with teammates, coaches, or opponents. This archetypal resistance to growth into the Senex (the wise elder) phase, where wisdom and restraint guide decisions, highlights his inner tension.

This dynamic is not uncommon in highly talented individuals. In many cases, those who excel in one area—such as Oliver’s dominance in football—can sometimes neglect other aspects of personal growth, like emotional maturity. The Puer Aeternus lives in the moment, often struggling with delayed gratification, which can be observed in Oliver’s occasional reactivity, both in his gameplay and emotional interactions.

It’s important to note that the Puer Aeternus is not inherently negative. Many great leaders and innovators exhibit this archetype, as it fosters creativity, energy, and a fearless approach to challenges. However, for Clayton Oliver to reach his full potential, reconciling this Puer Aeternus energy with the Warrior archetype—or even transitioning into the King archetype, which embodies balance, authority, and maturity—will be crucial. This shift would allow him to not only dominate on the field but also become a more emotionally grounded and effective leader.

If Oliver can integrate the emotional maturity required to temper his Puer Aeternus tendencies while maintaining the drive and fearlessness that defines his Warrior spirit, he has the potential to evolve into a complete player and leader. This growth would enable him to handle the pressures of leadership, not just in football but in his broader life, making him a more resilient, composed, and impactful individual both on and off the field.

Thanks Dr Spock

3 minutes ago, DubDee said:

 

"A couple of off-field incidents in recent weeks have put Clayton Oliver back in the trade spotlight for the second time in 12 months.

It’s understood Oliver’s recent behaviour has again tested the patience of some teammates, while the club has been disappointed in some things he has not committed to."

 

What did he do? You can't just say off-field, it's the bloody off season.  Everyone would assume the worst but who knows. What targets is he meant to be meeting In September, on his holidays away from the club?  I am sick of these vague BS articles

Edmund and McClure are generating “stories” to keep their personal podcasts going.

1 minute ago, Dee Boys said:

Hahaha are you serious? Use your brain. Who else is it in the best interests of to leak that information? Oliver’s management? No, they want to portray him in the best light possible. The MFC footy department? No, they want to keep him. The only person to gain from painting Oliver in a bad light is Pert as he’s the one currently in the gun to supporters for shopping him around “for no good reason”. 

Could be from the Board as well. Really looks like there’s a widening divide between FD and upper management & the Board. If that relationship isn’t strong and unified and if mistrust has taken hold at those levels, there has to be change at the top. 

Correction won’t happen organically without it.

Seems like 12 months ago, Clarry had let his standards slip and let people down with his off field commitment and other non advised issues. 
 

Club working with him to fulfill commitments and get his mind and body right for AFL football.  Despite his hand injury this season , he was getting back from stability and hopefully moving back to his commitments needed within the club and as an elite footballer.  But obviously issues don’t resolve overnight and ongoing requirements. 
 

Media alluding to: 

- teammates not fully convinced with Clarry and still querying his commitment and keeping on track 

- Contract is out to 2030 on at least $1million per year for the next 6 years so heavy weight on the salary cap 

- Goodwin and coaches support keeping Clarry and working with him to get back to his top form 

 - Pert has reached out to see who’s possibly an interested club to buy Clarry 

- seemingly limited response from other clubs given Clarry has ongoing issues and his salary is in the top echelon 

- Cats are interested party and manager/Clarry speaking to them 

- Dees will want an appropriate level of compensation like at least a low sub-10 draft pick or 2x 1st round picks (clubs don’t either have the trade capital or concerned he’s on the downward cycle and not worth the risk) 

- likely to stay but it’s all very unsettling for all parties 

I’m confused. Who’s actually selling the farm here? Us or Geelong? 

Who says we're shopping around clarry?

The Age article doesn't.  It simply says clarry thinks we are.

So can somebody please tell me definitely we are or aren't.

Multiple outlets reporting that Pert broached the topic with officials from other clubs in GF week.

Guessing those other clubs passed that on to media.

4 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Multiple outlets reporting that Pert broached the topic with officials from other clubs in GF week.

Guessing those other clubs passed that on to media.

Could be as simple as at a function Pert is asked is Clarry gettable and he might have said for the right price most players are.

Then that spreads to we are shopping him.

8 minutes ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

I’m confused. Who’s actually selling the farm here? Us or Geelong? 

Us!!! Be issue the media have already driven the narrative we’re ‘shopping him around’ therefore he’s worth nothing, well nothing close to what he’s actually worth and thus any trade would be CRIMINAL cus it’d be a future first, for an all time great level player all cus we don’t want the attention and extra care Clazz brings which even if u true is now the narrative!

Again, this is a case of the media driving the narrative to where we are now forced to either accept a poor trade or keep him and either way our list and culture are ultimately what suffers! Whereas if player driven, we could drive a herd bargain and ask for 2 top 15 picks — but media have ensured that the perception now is that the CLUB is driving this even if untrue.. 

if GP DID mention to few clubs ‘Claz is up for right deal’ so WHAT — it should never get out but clubs make sure it does cus (ie cats) if they leak it our market position is undercut and we become snookered!