CASEY: Rd 17 vs Frankston

[whatwhat say what 23,855]

extraordinary stat line from pup brown

25 (15, 10) disposals, 11 clearances, 21 (!!) tackles, 1 goal

in a 27 pt loss

super impressive

[Tarax Club 4,189]

The view from the periscope suggested Kynan Brown, Marty Hore, Will Verrall, Blake Howes and Shane McAdam were the better AFL listed contributors. Mitch White, Tyler Edwards, Mitch Szybkowski, Roan Steele and Jack Bell off the Casey list.

 

Edited July 20, 2024 by Tarax Club

[SPC 3,596]

Are we convinced that the current Casey setup is conducive to developing young AFL talent?? Granted we have seen some debutants, but most were close last year. 

Watched a few games and it looks a very different DNA to our senior side. Just an observation from someone without a lot of knowledge, not potting anyone. 

[deanox 10,070]

1 minute ago, SPC said:

Are we convinced that the current Casey setup is conducive to developing young AFL talent?? Granted we have seen some debutants, but most were close last year. 

Watched a few games and it looks a very different DNA to our senior side. Just an observation from someone without a lot of knowledge, not potting anyone. 

My take is that the competition is broken, not just Casey.

The best players not on AFL lists aren't playing at VFL, they are playing suburban league where there is a match every week, they get paid, and their teams care about winning a flag.

The VFL level comp doesn't have the elite fitness to execute AFL standard game plans and pressure.

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

Take Jack Bell.

Clearly better than our stand in AFL rucks but he only gets a game because fullarton is in Perth.

Why would he commit to Casey 

Frankly I'm surprised he was there today 

[Ollie fan 3,671]

How did Roy George play?

[Deelectable 1,043]

9 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Take Jack Bell.

Clearly better than our stand in AFL rucks but he only gets a game because fullarton is in Perth.

Why would he commit to Casey 

Frankly I'm surprised he was there today 

Someone needs to explain to me why we would overlook Jack Bell who is under our nose to go out and recruit Fullarton and Kentfield? Better ruck than both and showed today he is capable of kicking goals in ordinary conditions.  At 23 year of age its got me beat!

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

3 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

How did Roy George play?

Wasn't his day. I would have played him solo inside 50 but he played up and down the ground with the massive packs

[Diamond_Jim 12,772]

1 minute ago, Deelectable said:

Someone needs to explain to me why we would overlook Jack Bell who is under our nose to go out and recruit Fullarton and Kentfield? Better ruck than both and showed today he is capable of kicking goals in ordinary conditions.  At 23 year of age its got me beat!

Got screamed down on the main boards for asking such a question. Told that the possible tall forwards were better use of the list spots than a back up (break glass) ruck such as Bell

[Deelectable 1,043]

4 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Got screamed down on the main boards for asking such a question. Told that the possible tall forwards were better use of the list spots than a back up (break glass) ruck such as Bell

I'm with you. Might not be superstar material but he is a genuine ruck. Fullarton and Kentfield ain't!

[DeeZone 10,590]

2 hours ago, Nascent said:

More meaning Casey emergencies like King, Neocleus and Valentine

I see what you mean Nascent there were 4 Casey players named as emergencies, must have been a communication break down.

[DeeZone 10,590]

55 minutes ago, Tarax Club said:

The view from the periscope suggested Kynan Brown, Marty Hore, Will Verrall, Blake Howes and Shane McAdam were the better AFL listed contributors. Mitch White, Tyler Edwards, Mitch Szybkowski, Roan Steele and Jack Bell off the Casey list.

 

Despite the terrible conditions was that Kynan Brown and Will Verrall’s best game for Casey?

[Tarax Club 4,189]

27 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

Despite the terrible conditions was that Kynan Brown and Will Verrall’s best game for Casey?

DZ performance indicators would need to be tempered by the atrocious conditions. Statisticians wherever they are? were relatively warm and dry ticking up the stats. Whilst the guys on the field slogged it out. Quantitatively there for sure but qualitatively questionable. Disposal efficiency would definitely be revealing. 

For a slightly built young fella, KB is not afraid to mix it in the packs. Shows a fair bit on the outside too. Will Verrall competed manfully against a bigger bodied opponent in the ruck. Has some nous when directing hit outs. Plus he has the mobility and skill to get involved when the ball is on the move.

Edited July 20, 2024 by Tarax Club

[DiscoStu17 871]

3 hours ago, Rab D Nesbitt said:

There was a guy called Paul Mynott at my high school, who lived in Rowville and supported St Kilda. Just googled him and Trent is his son. His dad was a successful coach for Rowville apparently. 

Apparently he was yelling directions from the boundary. Must be Frank’s coach now?

[middleagedemon 325]

1 hour ago, SPC said:

Are we convinced that the current Casey setup is conducive to developing young AFL talent?? Granted we have seen some debutants, but most were close last year. 

Watched a few games and it looks a very different DNA to our senior side. Just an observation from someone without a lot of knowledge, not potting anyone. 

Don't be scared to have an opinion SPC haha. 

Your observations are completely valid, it's alarming that you feel the need to devalue your observations and make it known you're not potting anyone to please the rose-coloured facepalming nuffs that seem to dominate this forum these days!

[Roger Mellie 4,205]

1 hour ago, Deelectable said:

Someone needs to explain to me why we would overlook Jack Bell who is under our nose to go out and recruit Fullarton and Kentfield? Better ruck than both and showed today he is capable of kicking goals in ordinary conditions.  At 23 year of age its got me beat!

I've been of the view that Jack Bell wasn't AFL material. Lacking in mobility, ruck smarts and the required skill set, but I've gotta hand it to him, he played very well today and made me have a little rethink.

[Bobby McKenzie 2,408]

4 hours ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Oh Jeffo

And another goal to Frankston... coast to coast

Having lived in Frankston for many years, I think that coast to land would be more accurate. I do remember the stiff westerly wind very well.

[spirit of norm smith 16,679]

Verrall 👏👏

pup Brown 👏👏

Hore 👏👏

others were ordinary at best.

not great conditions so some foregiveness 

[DiscoStu17 871]

There was really no idea or strategy for playing in a wet and windy game.

Should have put at least 1 player behind the ball in the 2nd quarter.

Only a few players know how to pick up the ball in the wet. 
Midfielders mainly too small.

Bell did well, but didn’t really get any control in the centre - I wouldn’t like to see him against Meek.

[DubDee 26,674]

Tackles mcKenzie can finally pass his mantle to someone 

Nice work Browny

[manny100 1,625]

No goals for Jeffersen but got 14 disposals which seems more than usual. Despite no goals was his game ok?

[Demonland 74,430]

RAIN CHECK by Whispering Jack

The Frankston Dolphins broke a run of six straight losses against their neighbours, the Casey Demons and kept their hopes for a long-awaited return to the VFL finals alive with a 27 point victory over at Kinetic Stadium.

Casey was welcomed to the Peninsula by grey skies, heavy rain and angry seas with threatening white-capped waves whipped up by gale force winds. After a slow start in the opening term when they failed to take advantage of the breeze, it appeared that the Demons had decided to take a rain check on participation in the fray in the next stanza. They were duly blown out of the game by a powerful Dolphin surge that netted seven goals to a single major and they  never recovered from the onslaught that saw them 27 points down at the main break.

To their credit however, the visitors did manage to claw back a couple of points in a fairly dull and colourless second half of football but a full comeback to challenge Frankston’s lead was out of the question.

Casey was always going to be under the pump from the moment its team selection revealed that five AFL listed players of various levels of experience were out of the side from last week’s win against Essendon. The late withdrawal of two more in Ben Brown and Taj Woewodin to be replaced by one emergency only leaving the bench one player short was a major blow. It was a major advantage for the Dolphins to have an extra on the bench when running into the wind with mud and slush under foot can be so energy slashing.

Statistically, the teams were fairly even apart from the all-important conversion rate in front of goals but this belied the fact that Frankston was a far more even in its makeup and, with a possible finals appearance beckoning, was more intense in its approach to the game in wet, blustery and bitterly cold conditions.

In any event, the statistics in the conditions that prevailed on Saturday saw different numbers than those which apply under what you would describe as “normal” playing conditions. There are less marks taken, more tackles and stoppages and many more ruck contests.

The standout on the day was Melbourne rookie Kynan Brown who announced himself as a true mudlark. He took on the contest fearlessly and racked up some big numbers, gathering 27 disposals, 11 clearances and a goal and a club season high 24 tackles. This should assure him of a senior role, if not next up, then at least the next time Simon Goodwin is handed an adverse weather report for an upcoming game.

Goodwin might also be comforted by the performance of Brown’s fellow rookie Will Verrall who had a great duel with his Dolphin counterpart in the ruck to pick up 45 hit outs, but won comfortably around the ground with 14 kicks 4 handballs and seven clearances.

Defenders Marty Hore (10 marks) and Blake Howes (six tackles) each amassed 21 touches and were backed up by Josh Schache who picked up 18 disposals in a move to defence.

Shane McAdam’s forte of his marking and kicking were affected by the conditions but he persisted with a strong performance in laying 12 tackles. Young forwards Matt Jefferson and Ollie Sestan weren’t suited to the heavy going but persisted throughout.

Casey Demons coach Taylor Whitford did all that he could in the circumstances and the list he was given. He could well have done with a couple more VFL hardened bodies like his indefatigable skipper Mitch White who toiled hard all day for his 24 disposals and 13 tackles. He had strong backing from Roan Steele, Tyler Edwards and Mitch SzybkowskI who had a point to prove against his old club. Jack Bell also provided good support as second ruckman and his two goals were invaluable. One wonders why Melbourne looked far and wide to find a back up ruckman for Max Gawn when they had a player of this calibre on their doorstep.

The Demons next start is an early one, next Saturday morning when they take on the UWS Giants at 11:35am back at Casey Fields.

CASEY DEMONS 2.1.13 3.3.21 4.9.33 5.11.41

FRANKSTON 1.0.6 8.2.50 9.4.58 10.8.68

GOALS

CASEY DEMONS Bell 2 K Brown Kentfield Peters

FRANKSTON Johnson 4 Murphy 2 Burke Gown Newnes Quirk

BEST

CASEY DEMONS K Brown White Hore Steele Verrall SzybkowskI

FRANKSTON Murphy Quirk Johnson Voss Grant Barlow

Statistics

Jed Adams 2 kicks 2 disposals 1 tackle 10 dream team points
Jack Behnk 3 kicks 2 handballs 5 disposals 4 tackles 26 dream team points
Jack Bell 2 goals 8 kicks 3 handballs 11 disposals 5 marks 1 tackle 12 hit outs 68 dream team points
Kynan Brown 1 goal 16 kicks 11 handballs 27 disposals 24 tackles 175 dream team points
Tyler Edwards 18 kicks 5 handballs 23 disposals 1 mark 5 tackles 85 dream team points
Roy George 1 behind 5 kicks 8 handballs 13 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 40 dream team points
Max Gregory 2 kicks 4 handballs 6 disposals 7 tackles 42 dream team points
Blake Howes 13 kicks 8 handballs 21 disposals 5 marks 6 tackles 89 dream team points
Marty Hore 20 kicks 1 handball 21 disposals 10 marks 1 tackles 97 dream team points
Matt Jefferson 1 behind 6 kicks 8 handballs 14 disposals 1 mark 1 tackles 43 dream team points
Luker Kentfield 1 goal 1 kick 2 handballs 3 disposals 2 tackles 12 dream team points
Brayden Laplanche 5 kicks 5 disposals 2 tackles 23 dream team points
Shane McAdam 3 behinds 9 kicks 5 handballs 14 disposals 2 marks 12 tackles 95 dream team points
Nick Moodie 7 kicks 2 handballs 9 disposals 1 mark 2 tackles 31 dream team points
Charlie Peters 1 goal 8 kicks 5 handballs 13 disposals 8 tackles 70 dream team points
Josh Schache 14 kicks 4 handballs 18 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 72 dream team points
Ollie Sestan 2 behinds 13 kicks 5 handballs 18 disposals 1 mark 1 tackle 55 dream team points
Roan Steele 1 behind 19 kicks 4 handballs 23 disposals 3 marks 3 tackles 87 dream team points
Mitch Szybkowski 11 kicks 6 handballs 17 disposals 1 mark 7 tackles 76 dream team points
Will Verrall 14 kicks 4 handballs 18 disposals 2 marks 2 tackles 45 hitouts 107 dream team points
Mitch White 20 kicks 4 handballs 24 disposals 2 marks 13 tackles 120 dream team points
Kai Windsor 7 kicks 3 handballs 10 disposals 1 mark 8 tackles 63 dream team points

[Young Angus 873]

Kynan Brown !!!  What an awesome get of stats I want to see him in an AFL game soon, the kids are very exciting!

[dazzledavey36 56,334]

18 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

my god jefferson

just missed from less than 10m out direct in front

and they go coast to coast for their 6th goal

 

18 hours ago, chook fowler said:

Inexcusable Jefferson

 

18 hours ago, whatwhat say what said:

and jefferson run down in the goalsquare

defo not his day today

@picket fence

[Whispering_Jack 31,368]

First-year Demon lays 24 tackles in VFL loss