PREGAME: Rd 19 vs Fremantle

[Adam The God 30,216]

2 hours ago, DubDee said:

I suggested Woey 

That was very derpsy of me haha.

Apologies. 

[DubDee 25,814]

12 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

That was very derpsy of me haha.

Apologies. 

no worries

you really need a personal assistant to double check your posts

check with Binman if he’s got the budget?

[Nasher 33,613]

Can someone explain to me how this Darcy/Jackson super-combo works that makes picking a ruckman crucial in a way that it wasn’t this week? Even when we had Jackson and Gawn, it was rare that they both fired in the same game. Which one fired depended on the day, but the vast majority of the time we had one of them barely pulling their weight in the forward line while the other strutted their stuff. 

If we’re that worried about it, pick an extra tall defender. They’re not both going to be rucking at the same time.

[Jjrogan 1,420]

In a few of their losses this year they've been beaten by a game plan of high possession, high marks football.  (More than 100). 

I wouldn't mind us trying something similar this week.  We got murdered by them on high speed turnovers last time. We've corrected it a lot, but a bit of keepings off, less stoppages might be the way to go.   

Interested to see what we do with ANB. Serong and Brayshaw are more accumulators than Daicos, Neale and Merrett and much less frightening.  I think his two way running and blocking space will be more valuable than shutting down an individual player against Freo. 

[ManDee 7,134]

1 hour ago, Dingo said:

Weather forecasters get it right 99% of the time in Melbourne 

They are so bad in Mansfield that they get now wrong! That's not forecasting that's looking out the window. 🙂

[dazzledavey36 54,832]

3 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Who for?

Before you say Sparrow, Tom plays a brutal defensive mid role. Can Laurie play that? I don't think so.

So who else?

I"m sorry but i disagree about Sparrow.

For instance he had zero centre bounce attendances, yet in a wet where the match was based on a contested style game through high number of tackling and hard congestions, he only laid 2 tackles, had 4 contested possessions and yet in your eyes that's playing brutal defensive mid?

Nah I don't see that at all..

I absolutely know Sparrow won't ever be dropped, so I don't bother bringing him up as an option to be omitted, but you can't even say that he plays a brutal defensive mid role when he in fact, he didn't even play as a midfielder last night.

All his midfield key stats are all rated either average or below average. That's including contested possessions, tackles, stoppage and total clearences etc.

 

Edited July 14 by dazzledavey36

[M_9 2,082]

28 minutes ago, Nasher said:

Can someone explain to me how this Darcy/Jackson super-combo works that makes picking a ruckman crucial in a way that it wasn’t this week? Even when we had Jackson and Gawn, it was rare that they both fired in the same game. Which one fired depended on the day, but the vast majority of the time we had one of them barely pulling their weight in the forward line while the other strutted their stuff. 

If we’re that worried about it, pick an extra tall defender. They’re not both going to be rucking at the same time.

We haven't really played against the Darcy/Jackson combo. Actually, only for half a game (last year). Darcy went off just before half time. We were ahead by 2 points. Jackson had done little. Max was playing well. As a lone hand in the ruck, Jackson took over and virtually won them the game.

In round 13 Jackson was out injured. Max had a great game. Darcy so so. They belted us. 

What to expect next Sunday, who knows? My tip, Jackson will have a good game. If Darcy doesn't play he'll have a blinder. JvR may learn a thing or three.

[Adam The God 30,216]

2 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

I"m sorry but this is actually hilarious when reading this about Sparrow.

For instance he had zero centre bounce attendances, yet in a wet where the match was based on a contested style game through high number of tackling and hard congestions, he only laid 2 tackles, had 4 contested possessions and yet in your eyes that's playing brutal defensive mid?

Nah I don't see that at all..

I absolutely know Sparrow won't ever be dropped, so I don't bother bringing him up as an option to be omitted, but you can't even say that he plays a brutal defensive mid role when he in fact, he didn't even play as a midfielder last night.

All his midfield key stats are all rated either average or below average. That's including contested possessions, tackles, stoppage and total clearences etc.

 

Perhaps brutal was the wrong word for his game, let's substitute that for disciplined.

He clearly plays his role otherwise you'd be calling for his head and he wouldn't be playing.

[M_9 2,082]

Josh Treacy: 30.8

Fritta: 35.19

Just sayin'

Edited July 14 by M_9

[whatwhat say what 22,732]

7 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Josh Treacy: 30.8

Fritta: 35.19

Just sayin'

so fritta's had nearly 20 more shots on goal? that's why he's so good... would be nice if he could nail a few more

i'd be all over treacy if he was tim lamb

vic boy over west? come home, son

[dazzledavey36 54,832]

3 minutes ago, M_9 said:

Josh Treacy: 30.8

Fritta: 35.19

Just sayin'

What are you saying exactly?

22 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Perhaps brutal was the wrong word for his game, let's substitute that for disciplined.

He clearly plays his role otherwise you'd be calling for his head and he wouldn't be playing.

I'd be happy to call for his head now, but clearly we don't have the talent and depth  to either overtake him or play whatever role he is actually playing better.

[M_9 2,082]

23 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

What are you saying exactly?

...

I'm saying Treacy is a damn accurate kick for goal (78%). We wouldn't want to give him too many shots.

[FireInTheBennelly 4,072]

5 hours ago, Winners at last said:

As L.P.  Hartley wrote (first sentence of The Go Between) -

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."

 

Which makes you wonder how in hell an entire side of politics is driving for this same foreign country. And people vote for them. 

[DistrACTION Jackson 8,712]

5 minutes ago, M_9 said:

I'm saying Treacy is a damn accurate kick for goal (78%). We wouldn't want to give him too many shots.

May should be a good match up for him.

I’d play McDonald on Amiss and then lever take the third tall/resting ruck

[croydick 142]

1 hour ago, Nasher said:

Can someone explain to me how this Darcy/Jackson super-combo works that makes picking a ruckman crucial in a way that it wasn’t this week? Even when we had Jackson and Gawn, it was rare that they both fired in the same game. Which one fired depended on the day, but the vast majority of the time we had one of them barely pulling their weight in the forward line while the other strutted their stuff. 

If we’re that worried about it, pick an extra tall defender. They’re not both going to be rucking at the same time.

goldstein vs no ruck probably wouldve smoked us, the big worry for me is darcy, we can deal with just jackson fine (in no way am I saying darcy is better than jacko, just that a full ruckman like darcy will smoke 3 non ruckmen)

Edited July 14 by croydick

[deanox 9,910]

4 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Yeah, I heard that on the replay too, but at the game, it looked even to me.

 

4 hours ago, binman said:

Really, playing one down at stoppages has only been made possible by having generational players in maxy, tracc, clarry and jack.

And as you've noted the clever tactic of having a high half forward, usually nibbla sitting of the contest.

I reckon Jones, who played in that system, meant even numbers not an extra. 

Again, what drives me nuts is their lack of explanation about the impacts of that decision.

For one thing, we use the spare created by playing one down at stoppages behind the ball in an intercepting role.

Which would help explain why we didn't do that well in terms intercept and intercept marks differentials, basically breaking even whereas in past seasons we routinely smashed teams for intercepts, particularly intercept marks.

@binman and @Binmans PAmy observations on Sat night were that we started with the -1 at the stoppage set up we've used previously and tried to play a loose defender.

That shifted to even numbers in our defence, I assume they sent one forward to man Lever up and even up at the stoppage.

Essendon then adjusted to their own loose man in defence, and we used a +1 at the stoppage, but it was often sitting half a kick off the stoppage.

At one point, Essendon managed to create a +1 in their forward line for quite a while (ie not just a single play) and during that patch we had the extra at the stoppage. I think they scored a goal once when it got out the back from a centre stoppage and they had an extra number forward. It was a little odd that we left it for so long to be honest.

It was hard to tell what was happening, because of the way it seemed to constantly shift, but that was what I managed to piece together. I could be totally wrong, it's hard to tell especially in a congested game.

 

 

[YesitwasaWin4theAges 6,702]

4 hours ago, Pennant St Dee said:

Not having a grasp on selection, he doesn’t have a grasp on modern footy

A common theme on DL.

[DEE fence 5,007]

Freo is better coached than the Bombers, no way Pickett/Melks don't have some work put into them (I think everyone will have watched that Essendon game) Rivers also will be on watch. We were underestimated by the arrogant Essendon brains trust, Freo will be switched on and smarting.

Bowsa's kicking is off, regardless of his DE%, his kicks are floating and putting the receiver under pressure. He's brave etc but I want to see him pull the trigger quicker. I would change him for whoever is the best mark not playing, Hore?

Sparrow, don't know what to do with him, maybe a run with role? he's not winning enough of his own ball. Curious to know if he's playing a role I don't understand.

Am concerned about Jackson and the Freo mids they seemed way too fleet for us last time.

[Demon Dynasty 17,109]

22 minutes ago, DEE fence said:

Bowsa's kicking is off, regardless of his DE%, his kicks are floating and putting the receiver under pressure. He's brave etc but I want to see him pull the trigger quicker. I would change him for whoever is the best mark not playing, Hore?

Sparrow, don't know what to do with him, maybe a run with role? he's not winning enough of his own ball. Curious to know if he's playing a role I don't understand.

Am concerned about Jackson and the Freo mids they seemed way too fleet for us last time.

Spot on re Bowsa's kicking.  Not only floats them allowing more chance of intercepts, when he finally pulls the trigger he tends to project the kick too often.  Allowing the oppo to read and often intercept or spoil.

When not playing a genuine CB role, i don't think Sparrow's even sure what his role is.  He even confirmed this at training earlier this year when i asked him that exact question.  He appears to have lost alot of confidence when not playing there but has also seemingly lost any drive from congestion he had on occasions earlier in his career.

When he's on, Jackson is a hard customer to counter as he effectively becomes an extra mid once the ball hits the deck at CBs and can then quickly drift forward to provide an extra if the oppo ruck can't keep up with him on the sprint.

He's also so athletic, he can expose those that aren't or those that can't keep up with him as he drifts inside 50.

He's the worst nightmare for a player who's not at AFL fitness or tank level right now (due to interrupted pre-season) like Petty who, while no doubt hits the contest hard, is also not that gifted athletically and doesn't have the tank to run a game out beyond about two quarters (till now).

Edited July 14 by Demon Dynasty

[Biffen 12,940]

10 hours ago, Winners at last said:

As L.P.  Hartley wrote (first sentence of The Go Between) -

"The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there."

 

HSC in the late 80's?

The book never really took off after that first sentence from memory.

 

[SPC 3,549]

Early forecast is for wet conditions again. Do we go with a similar smaller lineup?

[Clayton van Oliver 1,823]

18 hours ago, binman said:

Picket, to be honest you are coming off as not having a great grasp on what might drive selection in modern footy.

BUT HOW ABOUT IF HE WRITES IT IN ALL CAPS!!!???

[Oxdee 343]

13 hours ago, binman said:

Jones said we were doing so on the coverage.

Maybe he meant an extra in the sense we are normally one down?

That's to say even numbers. 

He also said the high half forwards were pushing up to to stoppages too. 

It drives me nuts they don't show graphics with the set ups and all ground structure.

The coverage of afl feels as if it hasn't improved or changed in 20 years.

That used to he true of cricket, but coverage of cricket is brilliant now with fantastic use of special comments  graphics and video. It's adds so much to my understanding of a game I love and know well.

The broadcasters have spent so much on the rights that they don’t have any more money left for better vision/graphics 

[layzie 33,793]

1 hour ago, Clayton van Oliver said:

BUT HOW ABOUT IF HE WRITES IT IN ALL CAPS!!!???

I see no harm in that.

[middleagedemon 325]

10 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Perhaps brutal was the wrong word for his game, let's substitute that for disciplined.

He clearly plays his role otherwise you'd be calling for his head and he wouldn't be playing.

He might be 'playing a role'. But it doesn't mean his game can't be criticised. And it should be. 

For all we know the FD don't have a choice to play anyone in his role give his physical attributes and power running capabilities and a like-for-like replacement is just not there for us. 

But good grief he is fumbling, butchering kicks and making bad decisions atm which would no doubt have the coaches frustrated. 

Edited July 14 by middleagedemon