Trade Targets

[Whispering_Jack 29,616]

Here’s something I found in a Herald Sun online article that covers all AFL clubs with this being the part that deals with Melbourne.

Of course, it’s very speculative and there’s a long way to go.

[No10 458]

36 minutes ago, binman said:

From espn (by Jasper Chellappah - whoever that is)

Opening two paragraphs and a bit:

The 2024 AFL Draft might still be nearly three months away, but for 10 teams' supporters, attention now turns to the trade period and draft season, and this year offers fascinating subplots throughout.

Its headline act is a wide open race to be anointed pick one. Jagga Smith, Finn O'Sullivan, Harvey Langford, Josh Smillie, Sid Draper, Sam Lalor and Levi Ashcroft all have claims; it's a wholly different landscape to Harley Reid's grip on the top spot last year.

That isn't to say this draft lacks talent - in truth, this may be the deepest draft ever.

He then goes thru each club needs and options etc

MELBOURNE

Current draft hand: 5, 38, 45, 51, 61
List need: Midfield depth

It's a pivotal draft for the Dees who are quietly rebuilding on the run, but there are list holes appearing at a rapid rate and heavy reliance is still being placed on ageing stars Max Gawn, Steven May and Jack Viney.

The positive is Jason Taylor's team is positioned to snare a top tier midfielder with pick 5.

One of Jagga Smith, Finn O'Sullivan, Sid Draper, Josh Smillie or Harvey Langford will be available, but the most enticing selection could be Sam Lalor.

The Rebels powerhouse on-baller shares similarities to Christian Petracca in his explosion from contest and scoreboard impact, and he has the ability to command the football in the forward 50 where his one-on-one work is best in class.

A developing ruckman will surely be targeted later in the piece and Lalor's teammate Floyd Burmeister has put together a solid campaign.

This pick 5 is giving me high anxiety !

Perhaps having pick 5 is a blessing in that we won’t have to choose between O’Sullivan or Langford or Lalor.

This is a nice write-up, thanks for posting Bin

[No10 458]

Double post.

But I will add… I somewhat hope we go for Lalor, seems the wildcard

Edited September 4 by No10

[58er 6,304]

On 28/08/2024 at 16:09, Lord Travis said:

If he has no contract infront of him, then we could nab him as a delisted free agent, so no draft picks required in a trade. I'd be all for that. He'd be a midfield depth upgrade at worst, and lord knows we need to replenish our midfield depth big time. He's played some good footy in years gone by too and has a bit of pace and smarts about him.

On our midfield, it's gone from our biggest strength to our biggest weakness. We need both stars and depth at this point. Our midfield from our 2021 premiership team is in a sad state a few years on:
Gawn - Contracted, ageing and on the decline
Jackson - Gone
Oliver - Contracted, shadow of what he was and hopefully returns to his best next season onwards
Petracca - Gone?
Viney - Contracted, ageing and on the decline
Brayshaw - Gone
Neal-Bullen - Gone
Langdon - Contracted, performing his wing role
Harmes - Gone
Sparrow - Contracted, hasn't come on and is depth
Jordon - Gone

Currently on our list we've added Windsor, Laurie, Billings, Hunter, Woewodin and no AFL level rucks to the midfield since. Pretty sharp drop off considering you'd ideally be an attractive destination to play for when you're successful...

Lord Travis 

get your facts straight 

Gawn morning decline Has his 7 th AA blazer.

Trac. Gone No sir Cpukd be as good as ever in 2025,

Apolgies please 

[Lord Travis 10,666]

4 hours ago, 58er said:

Lord Travis 

get your facts straight 

Gawn morning decline Has his 7 th AA blazer.

Trac. Gone No sir Cpukd be as good as ever in 2025,

Apolgies please 

No apologies here. My point about the midfield remains and I'll ask you to put down the bottle before posting.

Gawn is on the decline. He has 3 years left on contract and will then retire. He's still a great player, but his influence is diminishing as other rucks rise and the game changes. I'd wager TDK, Xerri, Jackson and other athletic rucks pass him next year.

Trac staying for now is good. We'll need him because we're bottom four without him.

My point still stands about our midfield. It's the biggest issue with our list. 3 years on from a premiership and it's in tatters. You'd expect we'd have had pull to be a desirable location to play, yet no one of worth has come to the club since and we've lost many. 

Our midfield needs a significant uplift for us to return to finals.

[roy11 3,817]

11 hours ago, No10 said:

This pick 5 is giving me high anxiety !

Perhaps having pick 5 is a blessing in that we won’t have to choose between O’Sullivan or Langford or Lalor.

This is a nice write-up, thanks for posting Bin

Seems we can't go wrong with Pick 5. A good year to be average it seems.

[Travy14 1,901]

What are peoples thoughts on Sam Day from GC.

He has been desisted by GC so he is free! free in draft capital and cheap on a 1 year deal.  Just think its a good back up option.

[spirit of norm smith 16,086]

33 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

What are peoples thoughts on Sam Day from GC.

He has been desisted by GC so he is free! free in draft capital and cheap on a 1 year deal.  Just think its a good back up option.

No.  Not for the Dees.  
Sam Day is 32 tomorrow. 14 years at the Suns. 155 games. He’s done.  Injury just hurt his career most of the way through unfortunately.  Probably 4-5 years too late now.
He should be allowed to gracefully retire and be a leader at Southport or Palm Beach footy club or go to where he can enjoy finals or winning a premiership !!  

[bluey 1,077]

39 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

What are peoples thoughts on Sam Day from GC.

He has been desisted by GC so he is free! free in draft capital and cheap on a 1 year deal.  Just think its a good back up option.

Slamming Sam is exactly what we need, a real warrior and he comes free as a rookie pick up.

A massive Ruck/Forward upgrade on Fullerton, Brown and Verrall.

Lets get it done, cheap as chips on a one year deal.

 

[Travy14 1,901]

10 minutes ago, bluey said:

Slamming Sam is exactly what we need, a real warrior and he comes free as a rookie pick up.

A massive Ruck/Forward upgrade on Fullerton, Brown and Verrall.

Lets get it done, cheap as chips on a one year deal.

 

That's my thinking, even if he doesn't play a game.  it's just a free back up

[Diamond_Jim 12,484]

As I recall we have to include a chunk of Brayshaw's contract in our salary cap and the percentage increases in the later years.

Then there's Joel Smith's payments ?

Makes it just that more difficult going forward given all the other back ended deals we probably have on our books (Petracca, Oliver? Gawn May? just to mention a few)

You wonder if we have almost pencilled in a down period for say 2026 -2029. Makes sense in a way

[Travy14 1,901]

42 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

No.  Not for the Dees.  
Sam Day is 32 tomorrow. 14 years at the Suns. 155 games. He’s done.  Injury just hurt his career most of the way through unfortunately.  Probably 4-5 years too late now.
He should be allowed to gracefully retire and be a leader at Southport or Palm Beach footy club or go to where he can enjoy finals or winning a premiership !!  

Not looking for him to walk into the side.  But could just be a good back up for if our young talls take time

[Redleg 40,769]

44 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

As I recall we have to include a chunk of Brayshaw's contract in our salary cap and the percentage increases in the later years.

Then there's Joel Smith's payments ?

Makes it just that more difficult going forward given all the other back ended deals we probably have on our books (Petracca, Oliver? Gawn May? just to mention a few)

You wonder if we have almost pencilled in a down period for say 2026 -2029. Makes sense in a way

Smith's contract ended this year.

[whatwhat say what 22,522]

41 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

As I recall we have to include a chunk of Brayshaw's contract in our salary cap and the percentage increases in the later years.

Then there's Joel Smith's payments ?

Makes it just that more difficult going forward given all the other back ended deals we probably have on our books (Petracca, Oliver? Gawn May? just to mention a few)

You wonder if we have almost pencilled in a down period for say 2026 -2029. Makes sense in a way

js29 is ooc at the end of 2024 and will, presumably, not be offered another contract

Edited September 5 by whatwhat say what

[John Demonic 5,691]

 

On 04/09/2024 at 07:31, Demonland said:

 

 

22 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

None !! 

Tim Membrey has kicked as many goals/game as Bailey Fritsch. I'm suprised nobody wants him. One of the best pair of hands in the league, great contested mark and forward craft. JVR and MJ could do well to learn from him.

With Tomlinson gone, one injury to our KPD stocks and Petty gets thrown back. Then we need a decent marking forward again. Or 9 goal/year Petty might just end up in the VFL for a year before TMAC retires,  if Membrey is playing better as a key forward.

Also he's apparently a pretty good clubman with good professional standards.  Still has a few years left to give. We chased a 34 year old Tom Hawkins, why not a 30 year old TM for 3 years.

It's fraught with danger of course, but sometimes these risks pay off.

 

Edited September 5 by John Demonic

[DiscoStu17 714]

3 hours ago, Travy14 said:

What are peoples thoughts on Sam Day from GC.

He has been desisted by GC so he is free! free in draft capital and cheap on a 1 year deal.  Just think it’s a good back up option.

Probably should have just kept BBB on the list if we’re going for SD. 

Poor bugger is rooted and would just be a list clogger with us and [censored] up the development of the young talls. 

[Travy14 1,901]

57 minutes ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Probably should have just kept BBB on the list if we’re going for SD. 

Poor bugger is rooted and would just be a list clogger with us and [censored] up the development of the young talls. 

I Actually though he played a lot in the VFL this year, but looked it up and he hasn't so you may be right.  

[ChaserJ 4,955]

Thanks for posting the write up from ESPN @binman. Jasper has taken over from Knightmare at ESPN, and I reckon I prefer his insight to KM’s.

[DiscoStu17 714]

32 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

I Actually though he played a lot in the VFL this year, but looked it up and he hasn't so you may be right.  

Don’t get me wrong - he was a star. But just couldn’t get a decent run at it, mainly through shear bad luck as he was apparently very good on the track. 

[DeeSpencer 25,330]

18 minutes ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Don’t get me wrong - he was a star. But just couldn’t get a decent run at it, mainly through shear bad luck as he was apparently very good on the track. 

He’s barely played in 4 years so you’d be mad to sign him up but I’d be open to have him down for a few weeks of preseason training just to check if there’s anything left.

Not sure he ever had the skills or smarts to make it but the hip injury ruined any chance of him reaching his potential. Really nasty one. 

[DiscoStu17 714]

Feels like we’re trying to be tight asses and trade in players from the $2 shop.

We need to put on the wide brimmed white hat, wide lapels, bold colours, fur, put on the swagger, and flash that cash.

We may not hook a big fish this year , but if Freo, Suns, Bris or Port keep shooting themselves in the foot, we need to be ready with the big offer.

I’m talking Young, Rayner, Anderson, Andrew, Georgiades etc. Not the poor relations.

Don’t worry about contracts. They don’t mean anything. 2 low picks will loosen up most players. 

[DiscoStu17 714]

11 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

…..Not sure he ever had the skills or smarts to make it but the hip injury ruined any chance of him reaching his potential. Really nasty one. 

Pretty sure he did. Watching him just before that injury, he reminded me of Schwartz before the knee. Super coordinated, mobile, left or right.
But just how the [censored] do you break your pelvis when landing from a mark?  
Good effort to play again at all after that. But he’ll probably know all about it in 20 - 30 years.

[John Demonic 5,691]

14 minutes ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Feels like we’re trying to be tight asses and trade in players from the $2 shop.

We need to put on the wide brimmed white hat, wide lapels, bold colours, fur, put on the swagger, and flash that cash.

We may not hook a big fish this year , but if Freo, Suns, Bris or Port keep shooting themselves in the foot, we need to be ready with the big offer.

I’m talking Young, Rayner, Anderson, Andrew, Georgiades etc. Not the poor relations.

Don’t worry about contracts. They don’t mean anything. 2 low picks will loosen up most players. 

Maybe Hinkley and Fagan as assistants? 

[Superunknown 4,207]

19 minutes ago, DiscoStu17 said:

Feels like we’re trying to be tight asses and trade in players from the $2 shop.

We need to put on the wide brimmed white hat, wide lapels, bold colours, fur, put on the swagger, and flash that cash.

We may not hook a big fish this year , but if Freo, Suns, Bris or Port keep shooting themselves in the foot, we need to be ready with the big offer.

I’m talking Young, Rayner, Anderson, Andrew, Georgiades etc. Not the poor relations.

Don’t worry about contracts. They don’t mean anything. 2 low picks will loosen up most players. 

Now we’re talking 

I want us wearing a deerstalker though 

[DiscoStu17 714]

8 minutes ago, John Demonic said:

Maybe Hinkley and Fagan as assistants? 

Fages as ruck coach?