On 18/06/2024 at 11:16, DeeSpencer said:

Assuming Geelong stick with Conway who's very promising and English signs at the Dogs I can't see a Victorian team where big ROB would be the starting ruck. Maybe the Hawks but they'll stick with Meek/Reeves I'd imagine given they suit their timeline. 

So if the rumour is true that he's keen to come back to Victoria to continue his medical degree he'd be signing as a back up somewhere. If he costs nothing in a trade and takes genuine back up ruck money he'd certainly be the easiest solution, but the question is do we invest in a younger option who can take over from Max seamlessly, that's obviously the better solution if possible.

No young rucks take over in 2 years.  Which is why we are going to need a stop gap like ROB.  

  On 20/06/2024 at 09:22, Travy14 said:

No young rucks take over in 2 years.  Which is why we are going to need a stop gap like ROB.  

or, alternatively, gawn is as professional and even better than goldstein and still playing when he's 37

yr a long time retired, and there's no reason to think he can't keep going for a long time yet

  On 20/06/2024 at 09:25, whatwhat say what said:

or, alternatively, gawn is as professional and even better than goldstein and still playing when he's 37

yr a long time retired, and there's no reason to think he can't keep going for a long time yet

100% hope so, but we need a backup. Goldy had Xerri and now has 2 at Ess.

we have nothing else atm.  

 

  On 20/06/2024 at 09:25, whatwhat say what said:

or, alternatively, gawn is as professional and even better than goldstein and still playing when he's 37

yr a long time retired, and there's no reason to think he can't keep going for a long time yet

Gawn has done two knees and gets bashed from piller to post every week. Can't see him running around for us beyond another 2 years.

We definitely need a succession plan at the end of this year, preferably not involving a 2 x AA, soon to be 3 x AA.

Imo Moyle could be a good target

  On 19/06/2024 at 20:47, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

I also want LDU but cant see it being til hes out of contract in 2025. Let’s assume LDU agrees to come end of this season what are you willing to give this year whilst he is still in contract that Nolrth will accept. Unless something crazy happens Nth will get a top of band pick for him if he leaves under FA. So to do it a year early it would need to be more than they expect to get the following year to be in their interests. 

If LDU requested a trade at the end of this year, regardless of contract status, I'd hope we do whatever it takes to get him. North wont keep him if he's not 100% buy in.

We have a first rounder this year, next year and in 2026 (assuming multiple years becomes available). We might also get a decent pick for Petty, if his form turns around 🤞, and he wants to leave. Some of these would make it work.

In short, we'll make it happen if he wants to come. Getting him to commit would be the hard part

Edited June 20, 2024Jun 20 by Moonshadow

Without sounding like every other bozo in the media, all the good players we want are happily at other clubs and under contract. It's not easy 

  On 20/06/2024 at 09:31, Travy14 said:

100% hope so, but we need a backup. Goldy had Xerri and now has 2 at Ess.

we have nothing else atm.  

 

Old man Goldstein has had a better year than Draper and Wright. Max has not slowed down at all this year and has a lot of good football yet.

  On 20/06/2024 at 21:57, MrFreeze said:

Old man Goldstein has had a better year than Draper and Wright. Max has not slowed down at all this year and has a lot of good football yet.

Not disputing Gawn slowing down.  As for Goldy he is going fine yes, but Draper is only just coming back from injury and Wright is a Full Forward so not great comparisons.

And its fine for everyone to point at Goldy and say how he is still going etc etc, but he is averaging 10 disposals 2 marks and 24 hit outs per game.  He isn't in the top 15 rucks in the comp.

If we get someone Like a ROB it may enable us to extend Max's career, and have a solid back up if like pretty much all ruckman, Max's body does give up.  This gives us a solid ruck until a Verrel comes on or we find a different ruck.

  On 20/06/2024 at 09:25, whatwhat say what said:

or, alternatively, gawn is as professional and even better than goldstein and still playing when he's 37

yr a long time retired, and there's no reason to think he can't keep going for a long time yet

How good would it be if Max played until he’s 37. 
Not sure it’s on the cards though. At the time of his 200th I remember him saying that he wanted to enjoy it as he didn’t think 250 games was very likely. 

  On 20/06/2024 at 06:09, praha said:

I swear I meant to write someone else... I think I was reading about Oscar Allen and my brain went into auto-pilot.

 

Yes, I have a brain.

Matt Taberner? Works in your sentance.

  On 20/06/2024 at 22:23, Roger Mellie said:

Matt Taberner? Works in your sentance.

I figured Lobb

  On 19/06/2024 at 10:07, JJJ said:

Our draft strategy is simple; if we still think we are competing for a flag, we will only use 2 picks and use other assets to make the picks as good as possible.

If the club still thinks they are competing for a flag, they are totally deluded and will set us back a decade. 

We need to bring in a heap of talent in the 18 - 22 age bracket, and move on a bunch of list clogging 28+ year olds. 

Is Walker actually cooked ?    seems not too shabby 

  On 21/06/2024 at 00:54, poita said:

If the club still thinks they are competing for a flag, they are totally deluded and will set us back a decade. 

We need to bring in a heap of talent in the 18 - 22 age bracket, and move on a bunch of list clogging 28+ year olds. 

Keep Schache? he turns 27 this August.

  On 21/06/2024 at 01:06, Fritta and Turner said:

Keep Schache? he turns 27 this August.

He plays much "older" ;)

  On 21/06/2024 at 00:54, poita said:

If the club still thinks they are competing for a flag, they are totally deluded and will set us back a decade. 

We need to bring in a heap of talent in the 18 - 22 age bracket, and move on a bunch of list clogging 28+ year olds. 

absolutely we're still competing for a flag; we might be having a down season, but as long as the core three 30+ year olds - gawn, may, viney - are there, absolutely we should be fighting to win it

we have 15 other 28+ers on our list: melksham, plugger mac, sideshow bob, tomlinson, hunter, mcadam, salem, billings, lever, petracca, brayshaw, anb, langdon, js29, hore

of those, two effectively 'retired' before the 2024 season, six are integral parts of best 23 as it goes, and at least three - milkshake, bob, tomlinson - would be expected to be off our list in 2025 either thru retirement or going to another side

so you want to throw the baby - gawn, may, viney - out with the bathwater? 

i don't know what yr advocating for here; the only 28+ers who are 'depth' on our list going forward would be hunter, mcadam, billings, hore, and at least two of those are ooc at the end of 2024 and no guarantee to be on the list

you have got to have depth on yr list in order to continue to get better and ALLOW the kids to develop without pressure to perform

after all, how did stripmining our senior depth go for us last time? pretty miserably from memory, and those equivalent three - white, yze, junior mac - were nowhere near as good as our current core senior citizens

Stengle to St Kilda

I'd take Walker for a one year deal. 

  On 21/06/2024 at 05:20, SthSea22 said:

Stengle to St Kilda

They have Higgins and also Butler.

  On 21/06/2024 at 06:11, Redleg said:

They have Higgins and also Butler.

Can have  Billings back 

  On 21/06/2024 at 06:11, Redleg said:

They have Higgins and also Butler.

Butler won't be around

 

Done deal

  On 21/06/2024 at 01:05, beelzebub said:

Is Walker actually cooked ?    seems not too shabby 

I’m sure Jake Lever would be thrilled to see him.

  On 17/06/2024 at 02:22, SthSea22 said:

Ash Johnson would be a nice addition on a cheap trade deal, out of favour at the Pies

Moyle would be a great pickup 

Joel Jeffrey maybe available if the Suns take D Rioli

Big fan of Joel Jeffrey, would bring some much needed pace.

  On 21/06/2024 at 06:11, Redleg said:

They have Higgins and also Butler.

They also have money to spend (and not many others looking to head to Moorabbin for the cash). Stengle, Higgins & Collard would bring some pizazz to a moribund fwd line. Would be pretty good to crumb to Max King. Can see the appeal for Saints.

  On 21/06/2024 at 05:20, SthSea22 said:

Stengle to St Kilda

peptides i reckon

they've got the $$ to spend and the need for a small forward