2 minutes ago, BAMF said:

Based purely on my memory of the time, we were reported to have been after Amon big time. He didn't choose us. I really wanted him.

He didn’t choose us because  ..firstly he wanted to play midfield and not the wing & secondly because he got ridiculous money which we didn’t offer. Ironically he had ended up playing half back for the Hawks & still getting massive &’s

It's hard to fathom many people considered Grundy to be a better ruck than Gawn at the end of 2019. Grundy seems to be declining every year while Gawn's aging like fine wine.

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12 hours ago, deanox said:

I loved the idea, the thinking outside of the box. Had it worked everyone would have called our football department geniuses. If it worked, it had the potential to be devasting.

It didn't work, sometimes the gambles don't work. It proved Max needs to be the number one guy. We found out that Max's forward exploits can't be turned into a consistent performance. But we did try it. Pretty strange for a coaching staff described as stubborn hey?

 

It's was stupidity, not a gamble.  Why would anyone think that after 10 years in the AFL system, that Grundy would be capable of taking contested marks as a resting forward? The same applies to Max as a forward.

1 hour ago, sisso said:

Grundy grinds away all match but he doesn’t have much athleticism anymore, doesn’t do anything special at all no big marks or goals….just an old school plodder ruckman: he should have been able to take Fort to the cleaners but couldn’t.

i was amazed when he took a mark on the half back flank in a pack yesterday

haven't seen him do that for a long, long time

he played well, but i thought fort / daniher won the ruck battle over him / mclean

1 hour ago, sisso said:

Grundy grinds away all match but he doesn’t have much athleticism anymore, doesn’t do anything special at all no big marks or goals….just an old school plodder ruckman: he should have been able to take Fort to the cleaners but couldn’t.

Grundy’s ability has declined and is past his best but his ego hasn’t. Came to us with Number 1 star ego despite already being demoted at Collingwood. Slow developing hulks like Sweet and Meek who could never get a game have overtaken him. Darcy Fort is the consummate back up ruckman who knows he won’t get a regular game but always ready to give a solid contest when called upon. In hindsight we should have targeted unheralded back up ruckman like them who weren’t getting a regular game. 

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3 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Grundy’s ability has declined and is past his best but his ego hasn’t. Came to us with Number 1 star ego despite already being demoted at Collingwood. Slow developing hulks like Sweet and Meek who could never get a game have overtaken him. Darcy Fort is the consummate back up ruckman who knows he won’t get a regular game but always ready to give a solid contest when called upon. In hindsight we should have targeted unheralded back up ruckman like them who weren’t getting a regular game. 

Preuss?

24 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

Preuss?

Great at tap work and bullocking but too fragile and never gained required fitness. We could have gotten Meek as steak knives in the Jackson deal.

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1 hour ago, Hopeful Demon said:

It's hard to fathom many people considered Grundy to be a better ruck than Gawn at the end of 2019. Grundy seems to be declining every year while Gawn's aging like fine wine.

Espicially since every time they played each other Gawn would give Grundy a bath.

3 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

Espicially since every time they played each other Gawn would give Grundy a bath.

Yep I remember in the Queen's birthday back in 2019 we got hammered but Gawn tore him a new one getting 30+ disposals.

45 minutes ago, John Crow Batty said:

Great at tap work and bullocking but too fragile and never gained required fitness. We could have gotten Meek as steak knives in the Jackson deal.

We tried very hard for Meek, in fact I believe he was plan A before Grundy.

1 hour ago, Deestar9 said:

He didn’t choose us because  ..firstly he wanted to play midfield and not the wing & secondly because he got ridiculous money which we didn’t offer. Ironically he had ended up playing half back for the Hawks & still getting massive &’s

Classic. Same trick Buckley pulled on Howe promising to play him as a forward when Roos refused to. Was back in defence before the bye.

 

Fort has been very good for several years. Would probably be starting ruck in most clubs. 
Brodie didn’t play that badly. Swan’s midfield stars did not show up.

15 hours ago, Earl Hood said:

Ummh Brody was actually their best player, not that that is saying a lot. Won the hit outs and at 3 quarter time he was leading the Swans for disposals. He did his job. As did Jordan. 

I didn’t think Brodie was that bad at all

His Midfield around him were disgraceful 

15 hours ago, Swooper1987 said:

Nah, he wasn't.  His stats looked ok but once again, played like a little man in a big man's body.  He had no impact.  Rowbottom was actually their best player, and by some margin. Grundy just piled up a bunch of fairly irrelevant handballs and took the grand total of one contested mark for the game.  The Lions would be stoked with Fort's game.  

Yep. I feel like people saying Grundy was good are just reading the stat sheet. Collectively his and his mids performance let the team down.

Far from their worst but that's not saying much. Rowbottom, Florent and maybe even Fox were better.

15 hours ago, picket fence said:

Ur are kidding a Brodie Grundy was EASILY Swans BEST PLAYER....

 BY A MILE

Much as I hate to cite him, M Lloyd pegged Grundy very nicely on the Nine Footy Show for being shoved aside by Fort who then set up a goal. In fact, Lloyd was kind because it happened more than once. If he was the Swans' best it is an indictment on the rest of them.

16 hours ago, YesitwasaWin4theAges said:

Said it multiple times that money at that time should have been invested into a Power Forward not a ruckman.

Yes that's how i saw it as well.  May have cost us a prelim and/or GF

Never liked the idea before or during his short tenure.  Still not sure what the thinking was that lead to it.

Fort's cameo yesterday is living proof (and has been for decades) that you don't need a star ruckman or even a very good + back up.  Just a big man (with height) that can halve the ruck contests and occasionally impact around the ground with some relief / outlet marks and spoils.

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5 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Yes that's how i saw it as well.  May have cost us a prelim and/or GF

We’ve been chasing every decent and half decent power forward for the past 5 years. It wasn’t a decision to not recruit a power forward.

Grundy was plan f as plans a to e were not successful 

Im baffled as to how anyone can see it any different

You honestly think we saw some quality forwards were available and said no thanks, let’s go for Grundy?

11 minutes ago, DubDee said:

We’ve been chasing every decent and half decent power forward for the past 5 years. It wasn’t a decision to not recruit a power forward.

Grundy was plan f as plans a to e were not successful 

Im baffled as to how anyone can see it any different

You honestly think we saw some quality forwards were available and said no thanks, let’s go for Grundy?

I would've taken plan G to Z ahead of plan F (Fail) for Grundy all day every day Dub.  Even if it meant getting a tall big bodied B grade forward in that could chop out for 15 min in the ruck for peanuts.

Free up cap space for a potential classy outside mid, running HB with skills by hand & foot.

Edited September 29, 20241 yr by Demon Dynasty

41 minutes ago, Demon Dynasty said:

I would've taken plan G to Z ahead of plan F (Fail) for Grundy all day every day Dub.  Even if it meant getting a tall big bodied B grade forward in that could chop out for 15 min in the ruck for peanuts.

Free up cap space for a potential classy outside mid, running HB with skills by hand & foot.

we have the cap space now, reckon we’ll get any of the above?

FA chance in my opinion

my point - Trading grundy in for one year did not cost us a flag

56 minutes ago, DubDee said:

We’ve been chasing every decent and half decent power forward for the past 5 years. It wasn’t a decision to not recruit a power forward.

Grundy was plan f as plans a to e were not successful 

Im baffled as to how anyone can see it any different

You honestly think we saw some quality forwards were available and said no thanks, let’s go for Grundy?

I just don't understand why we are so obsessed with playing tall when the available talls can't get the job done.

Decent smalls are much easier to find and are worth their weight in gold in high pressure finals.

Ruckman are the least important part of a premiership team…. Unless you ruckman happens to be Max Gawn (or Dean Cox).
 

Many teams have won with mediocre rucks who just gave a physical contest, and Sydney would have lost just as badly yesterday if Fort was their ruckman instead of Grundy. 

1 hour ago, Jaded No More said:

Ruckman are the least important part of a premiership team…. Unless you ruckman happens to be Max Gawn (or Dean Cox).
 

Many teams have won with mediocre rucks who just gave a physical contest, and Sydney would have lost just as badly yesterday if Fort was their ruckman instead of Grundy. 

I'd argue that Max and Cox are not ruckmen but Utility players who cover heaps of ground and are dominant in aerial contests and in stoppages and therefore play in the ruck.

6 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Yes that's how i saw it as well.  May have cost us a prelim and/or GF

Never liked the idea before or during his short tenure.  Still not sure what the thinking was that lead to it.

Fort's cameo yesterday is living proof (and has been for decades) that you don't need a star ruckman or even a very good + back up.  Just a big man (with height) that can halve the ruck contests and occasionally impact around the ground with some relief / outlet marks and spoils.

Brisbane Lions won 3 flags with second string ruckman Clark Keating who was understudy to Beau McDonald. Undersized Keating didn’t play much during the regular season but starred and dominated finals in their flag years including the GF’s. Joke going around at the time was that Brisbane saved Keating during the regular season to keep him fresh for finals.

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9 hours ago, DeeSpencer said:

We tried very hard for Meek, in fact I believe he was plan A before Grundy.

Harry Boyd is the answer from Norwood a big chested who can ruck and play forward 26 y.o.

Plays exactly like Meek.

1 hour ago, John Crow Batty said:

Brisbane Lions won 3 flags with second string ruckman Clark Keating who was understudy to Beau McDonald. Undersized Keating didn’t play much during the regular season but starred and dominated finals in their flag years including the GF’s. Joke going around at the time was that Brisbane saved Keating during the regular season to keep him fresh for finals.

Otherwise known as ‘Mr September’! Absolute legend I might say too!