34 minutes ago, Swooper Northey said:

With generational talent like Gawn, Petracca, Oliver, Viney, May and Lever, the time is now to get serious about recruiting the right players to support this core, otherwise time will run out. Our midfield depth is severely lacking and is in desperate need of added quality, experience and variety. Look at how Carlton added Hewett, Kennedy, Acres and Cerra to their mix in recent years to support Cripps and Walsh. Sydney added Jordon and Adams to give Heaney, Warner, Gulden and co added strength and flexibility around the ball. We've tried ANB and Pickett through the middle but that robs a forward line already bereft of options of two important players. Add to that the need to recruit some competitive and reliable tall forwards to support JVR and you have Tim Lamb and Jason Taylor's homework between now and the trade period. 

 

History is the best judge of the term generational talent. Other than Gawn who will go down as the all time best ruckman,  none of those other players come close to fit that description. Trac is a very good player but his kicking is a big let down.

 

2 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Um u left Clarry of the OFF THE TRADE TABLE  list Just saying , JUST SAYIN!! 

He has to go. Given his issues and his performance, it’s a late 1st rounder and some of his cap unfortunately. Will likely do what Grundy /JJ has done. 

Id keep Petty and move him back down back to replace May who has likely 1 season left in him. 

7 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

History is the best judge of the term generational talent. Other than Gawn who will go down as the all time best ruckman,  none of those other players come close to fit that description. Trac is a very good player but his kicking is a big let down.

 

At Melbourne, they are most certainly 'generational' players. The point is, we've relied on that core group for so long but our lack of depth is showing particularly in light of Oliver's interrupted pre-season and Gus Brayshaw's premature retirement. 

1 minute ago, Gawndy the Great said:

He has to go. Given his issues and his performance, it’s a late 1st rounder and some of his cap unfortunately. Will likely do what Grundy /JJ has done. 

Id keep Petty and move him back down back to replace May who has likely 1 season left in him. 

Let me get this straight.... you want to let OUR BEST PLAYER Over the last 5 years go coz he is having and working through some issues, just let me remind you, 4 times B & F , Multiple All Australian, Coaches award winner x 2 AND YOU WANNA FLICK HIM???? 

16 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Let me get this straight.... you want to let OUR BEST PLAYER Over the last 5 years go coz he is having and working through some issues, just let me remind you, 4 times B & F , Multiple All Australian, Coaches award winner x 2 AND YOU WANNA FLICK HIM???? 

He was our best player. Hasn’t been for 2 years now. 

2 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

@drysdale demonWhy are you laughing?

Is it Blind Faith….

The equivalent of Marcel Marceau, never says anything but sure does like the emoji buttons, especially the Face palm.

Very enlightening 👌

One of Goodwin’s “True Believers” , a club whose membership is dwindling by the day.

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28 minutes ago, picket fence said:

Let me get this straight.... you want to let OUR BEST PLAYER Over the last 5 years go coz he is having and working through some issues, just let me remind you, 4 times B & F , Multiple All Australian, Coaches award winner x 2 AND YOU WANNA FLICK HIM???? 

Did you see any of the Footage last Summer that was on Social Media PF?

Spare me. Some of you blokes love hyperbole and board room spills. 

51 minutes ago, picket fence said:

I have plenty more to say, but nothing further to add!

Thank god.

Not going to happen guys. No chance in hell unless Simon himself calls it. Even if we finish bottom 4, he will get at least next year. 

Pert and Roffey are joined to Goodwin at the hip. While they're in charge, nothing will change. 

They'll continue to parrot that we are close and in 'win now' mode, and sacking the coach would be counter productive. 

By repeatedly defending him and protecting him, they have hitched their own outcomes to his and ergo - as long as it's their decision, nothing will change. 

No time to panic, we don’t have the cattle, two good forwards away from turning it around.

Move Taylor on and invest in youth.

We played poorly for a few weeks. But only 2 goals in a half. again one quarter without a goal. No wonder I feel carply 

as a supporter treated like carp by the club and players,

the coach and the management. 
two weeks in a row sitting here , late at night, annoyed feeling like shirt ,  fancy agreeing with footy classified 

and all we get are the same old platitudes 

not happy at all

15 minutes ago, fr_ap said:

Not going to happen guys. No chance in hell unless Simon himself calls it. Even if we finish bottom 4, he will get at least next year. 

Pert and Roffey are joined to Goodwin at the hip. While they're in charge, nothing will change. 

They'll continue to parrot that we are close and in 'win now' mode, and sacking the coach would be counter productive. 

By repeatedly defending him and protecting him, they have hitched their own outcomes to his and ergo - as long as it's their decision, nothing will change. 

We won’t finish bottom 4. Bottom 6 most likely. Only a handful of players seem motivated to play for the coach. Some players that wanted out at the end of last season - in Oliver and Petty - are losing their trade value dramatically. That’s industry we are in, teams need to be forward thinking and rejuvenate their list, see problems as opportunities. We wouldn’t get anything near a first round pick for Petty this trade season, and he will still want to leave, and Oliver likewise. 

1 hour ago, SPC said:

Might be time to pay out a senior coach and some assistants and bring in some fresh eyes. Start moving on to a new game style and recruit those who can implement it. Would much rather see a direction, than treading water like we are now. Need a skills coach and goal kicking coach plus forward coach and midfield coach, that’s where we should start. 

Wanted to unlike as I didnt actually agree with all of this. Dont wan to pay out , but dp want to bring in fresh eyes.

Dont want to change everything about the game style. We did have more scoring shots after all.

Would like to have the the direction reinforced so the players display it all the time.

Goal kicking seems to be the most obvious issue. Some of that is skill and technique. Some would also appear to be midfield and forward coaching structures and connections between the two.  

WE need to start by the coaches working out why they are not getting the most out of the list we have.  players with less skill or less resilience do hav eto have their role known. They are not  all Max Trac Clarrie etc they nned to create space and smother tackle and shepherd so those players can perform their best.

7 minutes ago, dpositive said:

Wanted to unlike as I didnt actually agree with all of this. Dont wan to pay out , but dp want to bring in fresh eyes.

Dont want to change everything about the game style. We did have more scoring shots after all.

Would like to have the the direction reinforced so the players display it all the time.

Goal kicking seems to be the most obvious issue. Some of that is skill and technique. Some would also appear to be midfield and forward coaching structures and connections between the two.  

WE need to start by the coaches working out why they are not getting the most out of the list we have.  players with less skill or less resilience do hav eto have their role known. They are not  all Max Trac Clarrie etc they nned to create space and smother tackle and shepherd so those players can perform their best.

All this should have been done years ago. It’s elementary stuff for professional coaches 

4 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Absolutely agree, i have worked in Departments that have gone sour. The only remedy is to find new blood 

Jesus I nearly wrote.....

5 hours ago, Sir Why You Little said:

 

People working behind the Scenes and our Football Department have let us all down in a huge way. 
you do not come back from this, the damage (whatever it is) has been done. 
 

We have been deceived.

Look at Grundy last night. 
To not play him last year was sheer arrogance and stupidity 

This Club is like a Ferrari that hasn’t had a Service in 3 years. 
We need new people running the place. Top to Bottom 

The List can be salvaged but only with tough calls

We have never been a Ferrari just in the right place and right time.

5 hours ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Agree. Tim Lamb 🪓 Greg Stafford 🪓 

Agreed.

We've got top-tier defenders and midfielders (May, Lever, Gawn, Petracca, Oliver and Viney), but the forward line has to be bottom-tier. We absolutely lack a top-tier full forward and centre half forward. I'm a big fan of Fritsch, but I think his best position is as the third medium forward.

Tim Lamb, list manager, has had this once in a generation midfield and defence yet has failed to recruit the tall forwards (by either trade or draft) to match the prime years of those mentioned above and thus support the premiership window. He has to go.

Edited June 10, 2024Jun 10 by ignition.

1 hour ago, picket fence said:

Let me get this straight.... you want to let OUR BEST PLAYER Over the last 5 years go coz he is having and working through some issues, just let me remind you, 4 times B & F , Multiple All Australian, Coaches award winner x 2 AND YOU WANNA FLICK HIM???? 

He's a liability. 

Forget past individual awards but he's killing us in games because he's a turnover merchant who coughs the ball way too easily by stupid dump kicks. He's playing like a sub par VFL standard footballer with the rubbish he's trotting out each week.

He's also in poor condition and it shows in games.

Other then the doggies game this year he's been incredibly poor all year.

5 hours ago, titan_uranus said:

This is not a "Ferrari" list.

100% agree...

It might be a lot of the same faces as those that won a flag in 2021, but that's the problem. It hasn't evolved enough to stay in contention.

We've been passed by.

I wouldn't blame Jason Taylor at all. He has been a brilliant recruiting manager for the Demons. He definitely might need some help though.

As for Tim Lamb, Alan Richardson, Troy Chaplin, Greg Stafford and Kelly O'Donnell. They are all in the firing line.

People at the Melbourne Football Club need to take responsibility for our poor performances and heads will need to roll at the end of the season if the rot continues.

 

16 minutes ago, demon3165 said:

We have never been a Ferrari just in the right place and right time.

Disagree. That doesn’t mean there wasn’t room for improvement, but our list in ‘21 was Top Shelf, it is now a shadow of that. 

Gee, this place has gone mad. Everyone wants to burn the place down. It was only 3 weeks ago that we were sitting fourth. Yes, we have had a bad month, just like the previous three years at this time of year, although admittedly, not as severe. It happens with every club at some stage during the season. Look at Geelong. 7 zip and have lost 5 of the last 6. GWS were 6 and 1 after 7 rounds and were co-premiership favourites. They have lost 5 of their last 6 as well. Look at Carlton last year, they were sitting 15th after round 13 and ended up in the Prelim final.

The only real downer for me was Petracca getting injured.

I will throw you all some more red meat. I thought Goody's presser was encouraging. There, I said it.

Listening to Goodwin presser was like all isn’t broken, delusional, want play finals the window is shut , game plan is rooted, defenders are not fwds!

Thank god some of the posters here are nowhere near the football department.