11 hours ago, 1858 said:

OK, so Goodwin presser.

I'm not going to dissect it but one thing that irks me.

He pointed out that Pies are a high pressure team and that we need to execute better under pressure. Fine.

Howabout as part of that we APPLY pressure of our own.

Pies played an easy, third gear style of game today and won by 8 goals

Because we let them.

 

Realism.

Since round 10 2022 we are something like 29 W 23 L. Maybe we've just been mediocre for a long time and now have Steven May with broken ribs, Viney with a shoulder, Clayton with issues, Brayshaw retired and Lever injured.

6 hours ago, bing181 said:

That's literally his job.

Actually no.

Literally his job is to COACH . Hence the title. His job is to prepare a competitive team at an elite level with the goal of playing finals and winning flags.

That LITERALLY is his job.   Any thing else is fluff.

Its about the Walk, not the Talk.  

12 minutes ago, HarpenDee said:

Since round 10 2022 we are something like 29 W 23 L. Maybe we've just been mediocre for a long time and now have Steven May with broken ribs, Viney with a shoulder, Clayton with issues, Brayshaw retired and Lever injured.

Playing injured players doesn’t help our cause. May is a complete liability. Why we didn’t rest May and put Petty back is beyond me.. Viney and Oliver should not attend another centre bounce together again until they are either both fit, or the midfield coach sorts out whatever issue there is in there. I’d rather play Rivers, Salem, Sparrow and Koz in the centre. With Trac out, might be time to give Taj some midfield minutes.

13 pages of opinion on here,mostly predictable, occasionally realistic. 

It still amazes me though, to still read that we had a moral victory over Carlton last year and that Maynard was the reason we lost to the Pies as if that is correct   or even relevant .

Maysies statement last year was ill considered, but he is one reason that the dam of clueless unskilled mediocrity hadn't hasnt broken for the last two seasons and they havnt been beaten by a VFL team before Monday.

 

The Pies showed how a good team culture can respond to genuine insults .

Personally I feel sorry for Max  TMac  May  Nibbler and especially Todd's boy, Jack.

Lever would have been useful on Monday,  but probably not enough to change the result

The rest are over rated in various ways 

 

 

Howe and Maynard almost best for the Pies Competed really well and upset our forward entries repeatedly Howe also ran off his man with good effect

I like

The one thing you can do even when you're not playing well is bring pressure

Kings birthday,  85,000 people and we play our lowest pressure game for the year

No one can sugarcoat that. Not even the Pollyannas on here

Something is drastically wrong. The players aren't listening to Goodwin

There is no heart. No pride. 

The time for tinkering is over. 

Max is a great player,  one of our best ever but he's almost a liability now the way we continually dump kick it to him even when other players are free. Even if gets it the players up the ground are static. 

They are clueless about what to do,  where to run,  how to tackle,  how to kick. 

Times up Simon

Collingwood coach (Flea?) spoke about how proud he was of his players - their ability to execute the game plan

He also thanked his coaches for their THOROUGH preparation for the game

They did their homework - alas, we did not

21 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The one thing you can do even when you're not playing well is bring pressure

Kings birthday,  85,000 people and we play our lowest pressure game for the year

No one can sugarcoat that. Not even the Pollyannas on here

Something is drastically wrong. The players aren't listening to Goodwin

There is no heart. No pride. 

The time for tinkering is over. 

Max is a great player,  one of our best ever but he's almost a liability now the way we continually dump kick it to him even when other players are free. Even if gets it the players up the ground are static. 

They are clueless about what to do,  where to run,  how to tackle,  how to kick. 

Times up Simon

The pressure numbers were appalling.

It's worth noting that pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts.

Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. 

I say worth noting because we were plus 23 for contested ball, which suggests we were OK in the contest - although down 20 less tackles cuts against that.

But I'll bet if there is was a breakdown of the numbers we would have been hopeless for chasing and closing acts.

That lack of pressure was a huge reason they were able to have free players to hit up on transition 

I think we are cooked physically and desperate for the bye. Which, I'd true,  would result in a drop off in pressure.

But there's a huge mental factor in being able to maintain pressure to a reasonable standard, even when fatigued ie pushing through. We didn't do that yesterday. And worryingly there was a lot of finger pointing and hiping teammates would cover spread.  And there was almost zero third man in defensively.

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	163	173	-10
2	146	199	-53
3	179	173	+6
4	167	201	-34
Match	164	187	-23

9 hours ago, Beetle said:

It may be emotional after today’s result but I fear for this club. This is the front two rows on the third level of the MCC today. These are “usually” highly sort after seats for any game let alone a Kings Birthday game. I sit here most weeks and this is unheard of. I have NEVER sat in a row that has no other people in it.

Yes the MCC is a mixed bag supporter wise, but the MFC still has a majority MFC supporter, member base.

i fear dark times ares not far away again.

It’ll be a lot easier to get a beer in the Redlegs now that the banwagon supporters will drop off.

49 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

The one thing you can do even when you're not playing well is bring pressure

Kings birthday,  85,000 people and we play our lowest pressure game for the year

No one can sugarcoat that. Not even the Pollyannas on here

Something is drastically wrong. The players aren't listening to Goodwin

There is no heart. No pride. 

The time for tinkering is over. 

Max is a great player,  one of our best ever but he's almost a liability now the way we continually dump kick it to him even when other players are free. Even if gets it the players up the ground are static. 

They are clueless about what to do,  where to run,  how to tackle,  how to kick. 

Times up Simon

This is what I came on here to say as well.

From Nathan Buckley on the couch:

“The other element that you really did expect to see is fire and brimstone, eyes rolling, after your opposition.”

Instead we had a season low pressure rating of 164.

I hate to say it but not that long ago, we would have come and ripped their heads off in response to a bad game like the one against Freo. Even if we lose against the Pies - show some anger and pressure and hunt.

That was one of the most depressing and shocking parts about yesterday.

1 hour ago, beelzebub said:

Actually no.

Literally his job is to COACH . Hence the title. His job is to prepare a competitive team at an elite level with the goal of playing finals and winning flags.

That LITERALLY is his job.   Any thing else is fluff.

Its about the Walk, not the Talk.  

Its why I feel, angry, dissolutioned and vomitus this morning. This club sinks your soul and stinks to the shizzen🤮

Edited June 10, 20241 yr by picket fence

17 minutes ago, binman said:

The pressure numbers were appalling.

It's worth noting that pressure points are the weighed sum of pressure acts.

Physical pressure acts are worth 3.75 points, closing acts are worth 2.25 points, chasing acts are 1.5 points and corralling are 1.2. 

I say worth noting because we were plus 23 for contested ball, which suggests we were OK in the contest - although down 20 less tackles cuts against that.

But I'll bet if there is was a breakdown of the numbers we would have been hopeless for chasing and closing acts.

That lack of pressure was a huge reason they were able to have free players to hit up on transition 

I think we are cooked physically and desperate for the bye. Which, I'd true,  would result in a drop off in pressure.

But there's a huge mental factor in being able to maintain pressure to a reasonable standard, even when fatigued ie pushing through. We didn't do that yesterday. And worryingly there was a lot of finger pointing and hiping teammates would cover spread.  And there was almost zero third man in defensively.

Quarter	For	Agn	Diff
1	163	173	-10
2	146	199	-53
3	179	173	+6
4	167	201	-34
Match	164	187	-23

I think our game plan has become archaic

Crash n bash takes a huge toll on an ageing body

Look at Freo - they refused to engage with the pile on and ran and ran and ran and ran red rum redrum redrum

15 hours ago, Buzzy said:

reminder that we just played a side missing :

Pendlebury, DeGoey, Elliot, Mihocek, McStay, Cox*, Mitchell*

*questionable but still

🤢

and we were missing lever, brayshaw and petracca came off after the 1st qtr 

To whoever noticed our flat body language pre game - I couldn't agree more, noticed a real lack of intensity in the warm up. 

One of the biggest things that is standing out at the moment is our inability to cope with any pressure on the ball carrier. This is exemplified with Clarry who at his best would drive out of stoppage, assess options, free his arms in a tackle and release. Now he just gets it and whacks it on the boot or handballs it over his head, fearing that he is about to get nailed. What has happened to our composure? Where are the one percenters, the shepherding, blocking, smothering etc.
 

The reality is we have lost any type of cohesion has a unit and it's been building for some time now, towards this. I hope we can make a run after the bye but it ain't looking good.

5 minutes ago, RedFox said:

To whoever noticed our flat body language pre game - I couldn't agree more, noticed a real lack of intensity in the warm up. 

One of the biggest things that is standing out at the moment is our inability to cope with any pressure on the ball carrier. This is exemplified with Clarry who at his best would drive out of stoppage, assess options, free his arms in a tackle and release. Now he just gets it and whacks it on the boot or handballs it over his head, fearing that he is about to get nailed. What has happened to our composure? Where are the one percenters, the shepherding, blocking, smothering etc.
 

The reality is we have lost any type of cohesion has a unit and it's been building for some time now, towards this. I hope we can make a run after the bye but it ain't looking good.

Yep - the difference between the Pies body language coming up the race vs ours was stark.

Forget stats, loading etc. - the team is not having fun and playing like a team, and being there for each other. Confidence and team culture can be difficult to build but easily lost. We’ve definitely lost it. 

10 hours ago, Tracca said:

I saw that too cause he wouldn't pass to him

Why are we talking about?

9 minutes ago, Oxdee said:

and we were missing lever, brayshaw and petracca came off after the 1st qtr 

If you’re going to include Brayshaw then add Nathan Murphy to Collingwoods outs too and that loss is even worse.

13 hours ago, 1858 said:

OK, so Goodwin presser.

I'm not going to dissect it but one thing that irks me.

He pointed out that Pies are a high pressure team and that we need to execute better under pressure. Fine.

Howabout as part of that we APPLY pressure of our own.

Pies played an easy, third gear style of game today and won by 8 goals

Because we let them.

 

Funny because we were once THAT pressure team 

8 hours ago, bing181 said:

That's literally his job.

I would have thought his job is to coach the team to wins.

Pressers are part of the job, but his core funky focus - his raison d'etre - is to guide the team to wins.

18 minutes ago, RedFox said:

To whoever noticed our flat body language pre game - I couldn't agree more, noticed a real lack of intensity in the warm up. 

One of the biggest things that is standing out at the moment is our inability to cope with any pressure on the ball carrier. This is exemplified with Clarry who at his best would drive out of stoppage, assess options, free his arms in a tackle and release. Now he just gets it and whacks it on the boot or handballs it over his head, fearing that he is about to get nailed. What has happened to our composure? Where are the one percenters, the shepherding, blocking, smothering etc.
 

The reality is we have lost any type of cohesion has a unit and it's been building for some time now, towards this. I hope we can make a run after the bye but it ain't looking good.

 

10 minutes ago, Spargonicus said:

Yep - the difference between the Pies body language coming up the race vs ours was stark.

Forget stats, loading etc. - the team is not having fun and playing like a team, and being there for each other. Confidence and team culture can be difficult to build but easily lost. We’ve definitely lost it. 

Yes! I’ve thought for weeks now that no one looks particularly happy to be there and glad to see it’s not just me thinking the vibes are stagnant.

This was writ large yesterday.

 

We have always relied on our star players, but when we have Oliver who is a shadow of himself , then lose Pettacca to injury who do we have?

Viney is also not playing with his usual mongrel either.

Lack of pressure just proves we also don’t want it bad enough or there is something wrong behind the scenes.

Not a happy team at Melbourne.

33 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

It’ll be a lot easier to get a beer in the Redlegs now that the banwagon supporters will drop off.

Yeah - loved those days...not!

I'd rather be inundated with crowds and be successful, rather than the a*** wipe of the AFL, playing the Kangas on a twilight timeslot on Mother's Day

Is Clayton Oliver the issue?

43 minutes ago, Doug Reemer said:

It’ll be a lot easier to get a beer in the Redlegs now that the banwagon supporters will drop off.

You'll be spending a lot of time in the bar at $15 a drink because the footy sure as hell ain't worth watching.