4 minutes ago, DemonicFinalFantasy said:

Yes, the umpiring was very average, but if we turned up to play at the start of the game, instead of the 2nd qtr, we wouldn't have this thread. 

That's true, but also if the umpire on just 2 occasions did the right thing, we would have one goal more from the rubbish dangerous tackle disallowed goal and they would have one goal less, from the incorrect ruck out on the full to Pittonet, who was the one who hit it out and giving them a goal.

That gives us a 2 goal win.

That is ignoring multiple other incorrect decisions, which of course can happen in a game.

Here is the real question though, in each of the last 3 games against the Blues, all won by them by less than a goal, how many controversial decisions went our way instead of Carlton's.

I have no doubt the crowd affects umpires and that is a fault with our game.

30 minutes ago, D4Life said:

As soon as #22 turns up, you know where not getting any 50/50s it’s like 10 vs 90!

But it wasn’t umpires that cost us the game, it was a combination of Carlton starting hot, playing very well , and the ball falling in their laps in first quarter. 

Love how he goes on AFL360 and tells us how hard his job is and then pleads for umpires to not be abused, yet is absolutely derelict in his duty when he has to make any important calls.

I don't understand why unlike us, the umpires came storming out of the blocks and gave the blues 11 frees in the first quarter to our 3 and then only awarded 8 more to them for the rest of the game.

I also didn't get why for 3 quarters of the game they completely ignored htb and then decided to pay it non stop.

The htb particularly frustrating because we were not getting our tack to es rewarded.

It must be hard for the players when one rule comes and goes in the course of a single game.

Also the dob seems to be a coin toss . One which blues got the benefit of at least three times and one seemingly influenced by who has the most supporters.

It's hard not to think the umpires had a Carlton win plan last night.

That Jvr free for dangerous tackle was a shocker and umpires need to be better than that.

I found myself saying in the first quarter that the umpires don't need to find a free kick in every contest. But they did a good job in trying.

12 hours ago, monoccular said:

Appalling clear bias, NB #22 who always screws us, but we did lose it in the first quarter.  

11 Frees to Carlton. In one quarter

The one that gets me is when Curnow comes flying through, collects Rivers high and he has to go off with the blood rule bleeding from the head and it's no free kick to Rivers. 

The AFL are supposed to be protecting the head, not their favourite players.

1 hour ago, D4Life said:

As soon as #22 turns up, you know where not getting any 50/50s it’s like 10 vs 90!

But it wasn’t umpires that cost us the game, it was a combination of Carlton starting hot, playing very well , and the ball falling in their laps in first quarter. 

Free kick total for 1st Qtr incidental?

10 hours ago, Skuit said:

Can we make this a weekly thread? With the "not why we lost" or I'm not a conspiracy theorist" but . . . proviso. 

What about a "we withdraw our services thread" As i understand all clubs have to participate in each years fixture?

https://apple.news/AYp33ye2BSASSpjALWPFMTA

Did anyone see what happened to clarry on the wing? He gave away a free kick then gave the Carlton bloke an almighty spray. So something must have happened first.

There's one certainty in footy.  The umpires will make mistakes and supporters will continue to think it's targeted.

Get on with it, poo happens.

That free kick agatnst JVR in the last quarter was probably the creme del la creme of umpiring boo boo we will see this year. Then again we were playing carlton.

There is no question the umpires have been told to let the game go and as long as the ball is moving the AFL is happy.  

The incorrect disposal rule doesn't exist, get tackled drop it play on, get tackled try to dispose of it and you get pinged.  

The common sense in the deliberate oob doesn't exist, pay a free kick get the ball moving.

Tackle someone spin them 360 as long as the ball comes out play on.

Minimise stopages make the game faster for TV.

Umpires just have so much going on, add this clear AFL instructions and they just have no chance

11 hours ago, Willmoy1947 said:

It was two words INTEGRITY and IMPARTIALITY, and he repeated it many times in the interview.

As soon as I hear that, I know there isn't any. If there was, no need to mention it. Bit like 'at arm's length from Government', which means 'we interfere all the time'.

still no word from afl on jvr tackle

same on their media site

social media and other footy sites going crazy on it. majority view was great tackle, no free. as for staging, very mixed

definitely needs clarity from afl ... waiting ... waiting ............

1 hour ago, Clintosaurus said:

As soon as I hear that, I know there isn't any. If there was, no need to mention it. Bit like 'at arm's length from Government', which means 'we interfere all the time'.

Not sure about that. I think he meant attempting not to be swayed by the crowd.

4 hours ago, D4Life said:

As soon as #22 turns up, you know where not getting any 50/50s it’s like 10 vs 90!

But it wasn’t umpires that cost us the game, it was a combination of Carlton starting hot, playing very well , and the ball falling in their laps in first quarter. 

Some games just go against you .

We started horribly. But Carlton in the wet could not miss a goal.

The ball bounced their way.

They got the benefit of doubt from umpires.

It just happens.

2 hours ago, biggestred said:

Did anyone see what happened to clarry on the wing? He gave away a free kick then gave the Carlton bloke an almighty spray. So something must have happened first.

It was that peanut with a hair band. He was mouthing off as well last year to our players. 

I have never seen Max so angry as he was last night after a free was given. I think it was down near the goals. I was waiting for one of the players to go ape at the umpire. I thought Harry was going to get penalised at one stage. 

2 hours ago, Slartibartfast said:

There's one certainty in footy.  The umpires will make mistakes and supporters will continue to think it's targeted.

Get on with it, poo happens.

Agree with you, but I have absolutely no doubt that different players are umpired differently.

Take Oliver and Cripps as examples.

Clarry is pinged for holding the ball or throwing in an instant, while Cripps is given an eternity to dispose and throws the ball without penalty regularly.

I say that from years of watching both play.

10 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Agree with you, but I have absolutely no doubt that different players are umpired differently.

Take Oliver and Cripps as examples.

Clarry is pinged for holding the ball or throwing in an instant, while Cripps is given an eternity to dispose and throws the ball without penalty regularly.

I say that from years of watching both play.

I'm not a conspiracy theorist when it comes to umpires. But I agree that some individuals appear to be adjudicated differently to the majority. 

I've long thought that Cripps is a protected species 

I think the issue is the cumulative effect of a number of poor decisions or non decisions that went against us on the night.

The umpires certainly put their whistles away late in the game especially when we were getting inside 50. To scared to make a decision.

As a club a please explain should be sent to the AFL for clarification of a number of decisions and/or non decisions.

As Demonland has many. many passionate Dee posters and readers we should have some influence (won't call it clout) with the club. 

18 minutes ago, manny100 said:

I think the issue is the cumulative effect of a number of poor decisions or non decisions that went against us on the night.

The umpires certainly put their whistles away late in the game especially when we were getting inside 50. To scared to make a decision.

As a club a please explain should be sent to the AFL for clarification of a number of decisions and/or non decisions.

As Demonland has many. many passionate Dee posters and readers we should have some influence (won't call it clout) with the club. 

My understanding, and I stand to be corrected, is the umpires review every game and the errors are identified and feedback is given to the umps.  It may be that the club gets a report on this that they keep confidential. I wouldn't be surprised if we get a "we were wrong" from Laura on the JvR decision.

I do agree that different players are umpired differently.  Ginnivan is a perfect example.

I can't trust myself to judge the umpiring as I can't take off my red and blue goggles. I wonder what neutrals thought?

I thought the JV lack of intent when he was sslung kicking it was a shocker; Rivers getting hit in the head and no free was not a good moment for the umps; but JVR dangerous tackle 50/50 and tbh I would like the umps to err on the side of caution in these situations...

2 minutes ago, Demonised said:

I can't trust myself to judge the umpiring as I can't take off my red and blue goggles. I wonder what neutrals thought?

Glad you asked; they were terrible