On 15/04/2024 at 05:54, SthSea22 said:

Fullerton plays

In - Pickett, Hunter, Koz

Out - Brown, Salem, Woe/Billings

 

Fullerton  was good and could have kicked 5. Personally I would like to see Turner tried up forward and give BB a rest. The only caveat about the form line from Sunday is that Port are likely to be a cellar dweller again. Mind you, Casey not travelling that well. I suppose the club might think that Turner needs more than one game back. I hope not. I think he has a big upside and provides versatility. Wouldn't mind seeing what Fullerton at senior level. Gives Max a chop out and allows JVR to spend more time up forward which hopefully might be a badly needed confidence boost against the Tigers.

  On 14/04/2024 at 11:39, jumbo returns said:

This is going to be a tough game - if y’all think the Tiges will just roll over and capitulate, youse need to reflect

Yze will be filthy with that effort even with the injuries. The Tigers also troubled us in that practice game. I think we’ll win but they won’t be a pushover. I wouldn’t be surprised if it takes us a half or even 3qtrs to shake them.

  On 15/04/2024 at 07:26, Deelectable said:

Fullerton  was good and could have kicked 5. Personally I would like to see Turner tried up forward and give BB a rest. The only caveat about the form line from Sunday is that Port are likely to be a cellar dweller again. Mind you, Casey not travelling that well. I suppose the club might think that Turner needs more than one game back. I hope not. I think he has a big upside and provides versatility. Wouldn't mind seeing what Fullerton at senior level. Gives Max a chop out and allows JVR to spend more time up forward which hopefully might be a badly needed confidence boost against the Tigers.

Jeffo could have had 6 the previous week as well. Just Sayin!!

  On 14/04/2024 at 11:59, Superunknown said:

This. Wisdom

Like golf, nothing’s a gimme. Unless you’re playing pennant and gifting your oppo 3 footers to freak them out 

Give every putt early and nothing late. 

Yep, after staying so loyal to the boys in Adelaide and overlooking any five-day break tiredness, I reckon we now face a few tricky decisions.

Firstly we need to find a small defender to replace Salem and the loss of Bowey also hurts that area.

The obvious move, to me, is to send Ed back and bring in Hunter to the left-side wing. Ed is a good match up for Baker or Bolton or M.Rioli with McVee getting one as well.

Kozzie comes in up forward and that means Kolt goes out, but hopefully he is retained as the sub - an ideal role for him I suspect at this stage of his development.

The other must-play is Bailey Laurie - you don't lay 20 tackles and get ignored - to not play him this week  is to say, extraordinary effort means nothing. Yes, I like many of you, have doubts about Bill - whether he has enough speed to make the big time, but he deserves to play against one of the weaker sides and he deserves to play in the middle so everyone can assess his worth. He's 22, he's fit and if he is going to make it, it is now.

Given Oliver's surgery, it is the ideal time to play Bill in the guts instead of him.

Then there's the issue of the forward line and getting the guy we recruited as a Gawn helper a game. Fullarton may not have kicked straight but he apparently dd enough to warrant coming in. And as with Laurie, a game against a weaker opponent is ideal to see how a player fits in. So he must play and the question is which of our big forwards come out and clearly all three of them were quite putrid for three quarters against the Lions, so it's a tricky task dropping one and not the other - but it must be done as this is the week to find out if Fullarton can provide a spark and ruck back-up. 

So for me it's: Out: Salem, Oliver and one of the three bigs. In: Laurie, Hunter, Fullarton

And there should be close watched on the following:

Blake Howes - his form has slipped a bit since rd 1 and I suspect he's quite tense pre-game as his first quarters recently have all be howlers. It's a big ask to become a regular in a top-tier side, but he does seem to have both the skills with his long kicking and the speed and with his height can play on mid-sized players - Dusty this week? But he has to have the confidence to say I can cope at this level, just as McVee had to last week.

Jack Billings - we all saw how good he can be against Hawthorn, but since then he seems to lack confidence in his abilities - a legacy of all those bad Sainter years I reckon. It didn't help last week when Jack Viney ignored him on a really good lead, but he has to rise above it and back himself in and kick cleanly when he has shots on goal. We wanted him back in 2013 and he brings a lot of the qualities we need with his running power and skill. he also is not a bad tackler, even if if Ross didn't think so. But he has to believe in himself more or his career is all over.

Woey: He's been on the fringe for over a year now and he's yet to really show he belongs. A spot in our back seven has become available and now's the time for him to grab it. He's a lovely kick and he does have smarts - he's now got to translate them all to an AFL game.

 

 

I would love to see pup come in and kozi to the middle for 50%.

It is hard to ignore Bill, Clarry needs to get right.

Agree about fullarton coming in.

? Brown managed

? Too early to play Duke behind the ball

 

Edited April 15, 2024Apr 15 by defuture15

  On 12/04/2024 at 01:37, Fat Tony said:

I agree that the issue is in the middle. Will Oliver's injury improve over the break? If it does not, I would definitely be playing Rivers as a centre midfielder, even if it causes further instability in the back half. We need to do better at clearance and Oliver is a liability with only one hand. (I would probably still play him if we are convinced it won't make the injury worse, but as a high half forward.)

And the issue with Brown and Petty is not just a last night thing. The lack of pressure from Brown, Petty, JVR and Fritsch means we can only play three IMO.

Surely as part of a previous elite backline  team we can expect more pressure from Petty ,but which of the other three doesn't get a game according to your thinking?

Presumably Brown, who can lead mark and kick straight!!!

 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2024Apr 15 by IRW

  On 11/04/2024 at 22:59, titan_uranus said:

I'm definitely open to pushing Windsor behind the ball more, particularly now that we're down both Bowey and Salem (good kicks x 2). I'm also very much in favour of pushing Rivers into the middle more but without Bowey and Salem, that robs us of so much run. Hence the Windsor move, which as you say then opens up a spot for Hunter. Goodwin alluded to this as an option in his mid-week presser, when asked about how Hunter gets back into the side, so I reckon it's a reasonable chance of happening.

Brown and Petty were both bad last night, albeit at least Petty has the excuse of having Harris Andrews as his opponent. On last night's evidence one should be dropped, but the principal problem last night was the belting we got in the middle. When we have been strong in the middle, Brown's presence forward has been very important for us. I think we need to cut him and Petty some slack for last night.

Petty will get better,Brown can lead and mark and kick straight if they kick it to him. JVR is apparently the future and has to ruck and compete at against bigger bodies down forward,which is poor. Fritsch is defensively lazy ,probably doesn't even know what the word means but is the leading goal kick from marks and opportunist positioning.

Who arnt you going  to pick?

 BoneonBone BBB probably needs the bye more than anyone and with proper management possibly shouldn't have played on Thursday.

He will likely be the sacrifice for AFL stupid and irresponsible fixturing

With Salem, Bowey and most likely Hore missing from our defence, I don't think we have the luxury of moving a good defender in Rivers into the midfield.

Hopefully Oliver gets up and joins a midfield that on paper should be too good for a Richmond midfield possibly missing all of Taranto, Hopper and Prestia (the latter 2 might be line ball to get up?) 

  On 15/04/2024 at 10:48, picket fence said:

Jeffo could have had 6 the previous week as well. Just Sayin!!

How many did he actually have?

The changes i'd make are 

In: 

Kozzie 

Hunter

Fullerton (FWD/second ruck) - Leave JVR in the forward 50 where he belongs 

 

Out: 

Salo 

Brown 

Woewodin 

  On 15/04/2024 at 20:54, IRW said:

Surely as part of a previous elite backline  team we can expect more pressure from Petty ,but which of the other three doesn't get a game according to your thinking?

Presumably Brown, who can lead mark and kick straight!!!

 

 

 

Petty typically provides average pressure for a key forward but he’s had a limited preseason so I think he’s down a bit in that regard this season. 

Brown is all offence. He needs 3 goals per game to be a positive. 

Bailey Laurie AFL statistics:

Disposals:

2023

4,4,14,9,5

 

2024

8

 

the bloke has been a sub a lot, I get that, but no matter how you look at it, he is an underwhelming AFL prospect. He consistently plays well at VFL level, but cannot make the step-up to AFL standard. 
 

In the Sydney game, his poor disposals cost us dearly. You cannot get away with mistakes at AFL level that might be covered at VFL level. Turnovers are crucified at the top level. 
 

He had 5 possessions in the QF against Collingwood. We basically played a man short, pardon the pun, in that match. 
 

He can continue to build his form at VFL level. He is not required in the seniors at this stage. Great that he is laying tackles…but I am yet to see the same against AFL bodies. His tackle stats at AFL level:

2023

1,0,1,2,2

 

2024

1

 

I’m sorry, it’s a hard no from me. Much prefer the experience of Hunter, or to blood young Pup Brown

Edited April 15, 2024Apr 15 by Kick_It_To_Pickett

  On 15/04/2024 at 23:47, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Bailey Laurie AFL statistics:

Disposals:

2023

4,4,14,9,5

 

2024

8

 

the bloke has been a sub a lot, I get that, but no matter how you look at it, he is an underwhelming AFL prospect. He consistently plays well at VFL level, but cannot make the step-up to AFL standard. 
 

In the Sydney game, his poor disposals cost us dearly. You cannot get away with mistakes at AFL level that might be covered at VFL level. Turnovers are crucified at the top level. 
 

He had 5 possessions in the QF against Collingwood. We basically played a man short, pardon the pun, in that match. 
 

He can continue to build his form at VFL level. He is not required in the seniors at this stage. Great that he is laying tackles…but I am yet to see the same against AFL bodies. His tackle stats at AFL level:

2023

1,0,1,2,2

 

2024

1

 

I’m sorry, it’s a hard no from me. Much prefer the experience of Hunter, or to blood young Pup Brown

Too small for mine. Bowey when fit plays tall(ish) and can impact despite his size, from what I’ve seen of Laurie he looks good at VFL level due to smarts and skills but can’t impact at AFL level as he’s just not physically capable and isn’t quick enough to get free like a Caleb Daniel (when he’s not in Bevo’s bad books). 

Hunter is ahead of him for me, or Brown if they think he’s ready. 

Is K.Brown a chance against the Tigers?

  On 15/04/2024 at 23:47, Kick_It_To_Pickett said:

Bailey Laurie AFL statistics:

Disposals:

2023

4,4,14,9,5

 

2024

8

 

the bloke has been a sub a lot, I get that, but no matter how you look at it, he is an underwhelming AFL prospect. He consistently plays well at VFL level, but cannot make the step-up to AFL standard. 
 

In the Sydney game, his poor disposals cost us dearly. You cannot get away with mistakes at AFL level that might be covered at VFL level. Turnovers are crucified at the top level. 
 

He had 5 possessions in the QF against Collingwood. We basically played a man short, pardon the pun, in that match. 
 

He can continue to build his form at VFL level. He is not required in the seniors at this stage. Great that he is laying tackles…but I am yet to see the same against AFL bodies. His tackle stats at AFL level:

2023

1,0,1,2,2

 

2024

1

 

I’m sorry, it’s a hard no from me. Much prefer the experience of Hunter, or to blood young Pup Brown

After only five games at senior level, why young Laurie was chosen as a sub in such a huge game against the pies was mystifying. And it's not as if he tore those five games apart either. I was really baffled by Goody call to put him in that final. It would be good to see young Brown get a go but Hunter would be my pick.

 

Edited April 16, 2024Apr 16 by leave it to deever

  On 14/04/2024 at 11:39, jumbo returns said:

This is going to be a tough game - if y’all think the Tiges will just roll over and capitulate, youse need to reflect

  On 15/04/2024 at 12:01, Deespicable said:

And there should be close watched on the following:

Blake Howes - his form has slipped a bit since rd 1 and I suspect he's quite tense pre-game as his first quarters recently have all be howlers. It's a big ask to become a regular in a top-tier side, but he does seem to have both the skills with his long kicking and the speed and with his height can play on mid-sized players - Dusty this week? But he has to have the confidence to say I can cope at this level, just as McVee had to last week.

Jack Billings - we all saw how good he can be against Hawthorn, but since then he seems to lack confidence in his abilities - a legacy of all those bad Sainter years I reckon. It didn't help last week when Jack Viney ignored him on a really good lead, but he has to rise above it and back himself in and kick cleanly when he has shots on goal. We wanted him back in 2013 and he brings a lot of the qualities we need with his running power and skill. he also is not a bad tackler, even if if Ross didn't think so. But he has to believe in himself more or his career is all over.

Woey: He's been on the fringe for over a year now and he's yet to really show he belongs. A spot in our back seven has become available and now's the time for him to grab it. He's a lovely kick and he does have smarts - he's now got to translate them all to an AFL game.

 

I think Howes is safe, though see your point, but agree the other two are at risk. 

I think Billings probably lucky with Salo going out because his selection creates some versatility, for example if say Langdon did play back then billmgs could take his wing sport (or in the mix with Windor and Hunter).  

Woey looked all at sea at HB, so i cant see him being picked as defender. But he could also play wing.  

To be honest i'd add Petty. He has been average at best since coming in to the side, and was woeful against the Lions (his player rating was -0.6!). I wonder if that was part of the thinking in trialing turner as a forward.

I suspect Turner will come in for the tigers game. He is versatile and athletic enough to play on medium down back, and he could also take Tmac's role if needed, allowing Tmac to go forward.  Or he could replace Petty in the forward line (unlikely, but Petts would want to get going). 

 

 

  On 15/04/2024 at 12:01, Deespicable said:

So for me it's: Out: Salem, Oliver and one of the three bigs. In: Laurie, Hunter, Fullarton

Nice post, some good and interesting takes there and enough to mull over. 

I largely agree with your points and think we should head in with the two outs: Salem (a given) and Oliver (I suspect he'll play). 

I'd be inclined to have Laurie as an in. I agree that's it's incredibly important to have reward form via senior selection and we need integrity in the match committee in regards to this, we can't continue with the perceived status quo of playing favourites. Laurie can rotate through the midfield rotations and we can see how he goes against a (relatively) secondary midfield which will be missing Taranto, Hopper and Prestia. 

Naturally, Pickett comes back into the fold after serving his one week suspension and I'd be retaining Kolt as the sub. 

Whilst the two inclusions aren't a like-for-like, I'd be inclined to play Woewodin out of the back in the absence of Salem and lets see what he can do. Although we were very ordinary to say the least, I didn't think Taj was as poor as what many have made out (I've only watched the game once, potentially a second viewing in a non-live environment may allow more judgement on this, though). Personally, I'm not sure I'd be playing Langdon down back, I think he has more value as that link-up runner, though he hasn't exactly set the world on fire as of late. 

I wouldn't be rushing Hunter back. I'm not sure he's the type of player we need in the side at the moment but I wouldn't be adverse to Fullarton coming in, potentially to give BBB an extended break. 

 

 

Edited April 16, 2024Apr 16 by BLWNBA

  On 15/04/2024 at 23:22, Dwight Schrute said:

The changes i'd make are 

In: 

Kozzie 

Hunter

Fullerton (FWD/second ruck) - Leave JVR in the forward 50 where he belongs 

 

Out: 

Salo 

Brown 

Woewodin 

Who would you play in defence to replace Salem? Hunter? Or someone else?

  On 16/04/2024 at 01:53, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

Who would you play in defence to replace Salem? Hunter? Or someone else?

The backline in this scenario would be May, Lever, McDonald, Rivers, Howes, and Windsor giving us some run and dash, a role he's very capable of playing. 

  On 16/04/2024 at 02:00, Dwight Schrute said:

The backline in this scenario would be May, Lever, McDonald, Rivers, Howes, and Windsor giving us some run and dash, a role he's very capable of playing. 

Yeh, that could work. Riv could play a more traditional lock down role, with the duke taking his run and carry role.

But as i note above, i expect Tuner will be selected and play as a defender. He can take any lock down role on medium, or even small, allowing riv to keep his role and windsor to stay on the wing

Are we back from our little break ?

Edited April 16, 2024Apr 16 by Dee Zephyr

  On 16/04/2024 at 02:16, Dee Zephyr said:

Are we back from our little break ?

I would think they will train Thursday. 

  On 16/04/2024 at 02:20, SPC said:

I would think they will train Thursday. 

Is that the first session back?