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PRESEASON TRAINING: Monday 12th February 2024

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1 hour ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

I think there's two issues, 1. a lot of our mids haven't been great at hitting targets regularly and 2. our forwards aren't great at creating these areas of space by working together as a unit.

 

Been that way for 2 years....

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    1 minute ago, demon3165 said:

     

    Been that way for 2 years....

    Well we do have Stafford as our forward coach.... I do wonder how good he is strategically.

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    5 hours ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    100% agree. All those guys are either above average or elite kicks.

    The issue we have is that our biggest ball winners, Trac, Viney and Oliver are probably below average kicks.

    Gawn also needs to focus on handballing off whenever he gets a mark, especially in the backline!

    Duck your head now for saying that, some here think there is nothing wrong with our setups and execution.

    On the kicking it's been a problem especially the depth of kick to a player on the run good observation.

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    1 hour ago, Timothy Reddan-A'Blew said:

    Thanks, DJ, but I meant have we ignored (or missed hitting) uncongested areas that we've created?

    Those clear spaces are usually out wide on the wings. That's the longest path to goal. Oppositions will often just concede that space in an effort to flood back. When we eventually go long into congestion, if we don't score then the ball rebounds out with space everywhere for the opposition to spread into and use.

    The last few years we haven't had the foot skills required to make the most of our entries. Our defenders have been incredible and made our game plan look more sustainable than it really is IMO. We need to move the ball forward quicker and cleaner. That's the crux of it. Easier said than done!

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    1 minute ago, Lord Travis said:

    Those clear spaces are usually out wide on the wings. That's the longest path to goal. Oppositions will often just concede that space in an effort to flood back. When we eventually go long into congestion, if we don't score then the ball rebounds out with space everywhere for the opposition to spread into and use.

    The last few years we haven't had the foot skills required to make the most of our entries. Our defenders have been incredible and made our game plan look more sustainable than it really is IMO. We need to move the ball forward quicker and cleaner. That's the crux of it. Easier said than done!

    Pretty well said and part of that problem is we don't transition the ball quick enough, we go across the ground but have to hold it a up until players run to position to receive it its not a natural thing to do.

    I hope they are developing that part of the game as it does open up the forward line.

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    It seems to me that no matter which way we attack, we get plenty of opportunities to score. It's just that we don't convert opportunities to goals often enough.

    Let's not overthink these strategies. What we really need is an on field mentor to guide our kicks at goal. I nominate ANB to fill this role as he already speaks to the players.

    GO DEES

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    Feels like Groundhog Day with all the fwds still injured, even if some get back for round 1 they going to be severely underdone. JVR going to need to do something special if we going to even match last year

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    Anyone know what is going on with Jefferson at the moment?

    Follow-up question - I was doing some browsing and digesting and looking at match-ups for our early season opponents and took a closer look at Jeremy Finlayson's numbers and role - would it be fair to say that Finlayson is a rough template of what we are hoping to see Jefferson become for us over the next few seasons?

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    2 minutes ago, Little Goffy said:

    Anyone know what is going on with Jefferson at the moment?

    Follow-up question - I was doing some browsing and digesting and looking at match-ups for our early season opponents and took a closer look at Jeremy Finlayson's numbers and role - would it be fair to say that Finlayson is a rough template of what we are hoping to see Jefferson become for us over the next few seasons?

    I'm hoping he becomes Jeremy Cameron like.

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    1 hour ago, Little Goffy said:

    Anyone know what is going on with Jefferson at the moment?

    Follow-up question - I was doing some browsing and digesting and looking at match-ups for our early season opponents and took a closer look at Jeremy Finlayson's numbers and role - would it be fair to say that Finlayson is a rough template of what we are hoping to see Jefferson become for us over the next few seasons?

    Mostly invisible when it’s hot but not a bad second ruck? No, I doubt that’s the aim.

    Specialist goal kicker in the Fritsch mold who hopefully adds a contested/structural tall role as he bulks up over time is surely the aim. Just might be a slow build 

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    6 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Mostly invisible when it’s hot but not a bad second ruck? No, I doubt that’s the aim.

    Ha! I do appreciate your brutal candour much more when it is aimed at Port players.

    At least I didn't used Eric Hipwood as an example of type - that's just not polite around dinner time.

    In a triangle where each corner is one of Tom Hawkins, Oscar Allen and Charlie Curnow, where would Jefferson be? 😁

    Or is he basically Jack Watts if given proper time to develop as a forward?

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    2 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

    Ha! I do appreciate your brutal candour much more when it is aimed at Port players.

    At least I didn't used Eric Hipwood as an example of type - that's just not polite around dinner time.

    In a triangle where each corner is one of Tom Hawkins, Oscar Allen and Charlie Curnow, where would Jefferson be? 😁

    Or is he basically Jack Watts if given proper time to develop as a forward?

    I kind of think Hipwood is underrated now. He wasn't good for a long time despite the media pumping him up, then the media turned on him and since then he's kind of being pretty solid by upping his contested work.

    Maybe Oscar Allen of those 3 but Watts with more time to develop and also a more natural leap and overhead mark is probably realistic.

    I think he'll have to either pressure at ground level and/or find some easy footy up the ground and use his skills to really make an impact. He needs a few strings to his bow to cover for not being the tallest, quickest or most physical.

    Reports of him laying a few tackles at a recent training session are positive.

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    47 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    I kind of think Hipwood is underrated now. He wasn't good for a long time despite the media pumping him up, then the media turned on him and since then he's kind of being pretty solid by upping his contested work.

    Maybe Oscar Allen of those 3 but Watts with more time to develop and also a more natural leap and overhead mark is probably realistic.

    I think he'll have to either pressure at ground level and/or find some easy footy up the ground and use his skills to really make an impact. He needs a few strings to his bow to cover for not being the tallest, quickest or most physical.

    Reports of him laying a few tackles at a recent training session are positive.

    Surely it’s MJ’s marking and kicking skills that set him apart. Possibly leading a big asset also. 

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    If you look at the second photo of Jefferson on 12th Gallery you can see where his strength will be.  He has really long arms and takes the ball well out in front.   He doesn't try to Klunk it, but more with soft hands like Fritsch.  Even from that photo you can see a defender having trouble trying to spoil.

    Compare it with most photos of JVR where the ball is taken more above his head.  For him it works because of his leap and crash into opponents, but also makes it easier for a defender.

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    On 12/02/2024 at 18:18, forever demons said:

    Boy oh boy did you ever just give up your age

    Nup.

    Though the song was released somewhere around my birthday, so i'm no spring chicken.

    In addition to all the great sixties and seventies rock, this is was what i listening to in my misspent youth (by the by this is the greatest Australian rock song IMHO - crazy to think they were 16 when this was released in 1988):

     

     

    Edited by binman

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    10 minutes ago, binman said:

    by the by this is the greatest Australian rock song IMHO - 

     

     

    I must point out that 10 seconds reflection allows me ample time to push Hi Honey Ho, The Real Thing and Gypsy Queen forward... A long way forward. 68 next week is my only excuse.

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    The real thing def has a case.

    Cracking song, that stills stand up. Produced by Molly Meldrum.

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    26 minutes ago, binman said:

    The real thing def has a case.

    Cracking song, that stills stand up. Produced by Molly Meldrum.

    Written by Johnny Young

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    20 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

    Written by Johnny Young

    Johnny Young of Young talent time?

    I had forgotten that. 

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    49 minutes ago, binman said:

    The real thing def has a case.

    Cracking song, that stills stand up. Produced by Molly Meldrum.

    And with a Hitler Youth choir right at the end (well, just before the atomic bomb explosion)

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    1 minute ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

    And with a Hitler Youth choir right at the end (well, just before the atomic bomb explosion)

    Really? 

    I had well and truly forgotten that.

    But i do remember it included non musical samples, which was very rare in 1968. Maybe Eno was doing it? But few others, not even the Beatles. 

    Well ahead of its time - such sampling has become a staple of electronic and dance music (i'm a sucker for such samples, partic spoken works ones).

    It's strange Molly didn't produce more records.

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    16 minutes ago, binman said:

    Really? 

    I had well and truly forgotten that.

    But i do remember it included non musical samples, which was very rare in 1968. Maybe Eno was doing it? But few others, not even the Beatles. 

    Well ahead of its time - such sampling has become a staple of electronic and dance music (i'm a sucker for such samples, partic spoken works ones).

    It's strange Molly didn't produce more records.

    Yes, really (if you can believe Wikipedia):

    "The children's choir singing toward the end was sourced from an archive recording of a WWII Hitler Youth choir singing "Die Jugend Marschiert" (Youth on the March) and the song concludes dramatically with the children's choir shouting "Sieg Heil!" immediately followed by the cataclysmic sound of an atomic bomb explosion."

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    1 hour ago, binman said:

    Cracking song, that stills stand up. Produced by Molly Meldrum.

    He can also be heard on the recording. From Wikipedia: 'an ominous spoken-word "buyer beware" message (suggestive of the LSD 'trip' experience) which was, in fact, Meldrum's heavily filtered voice reading aloud from the product disclaimer on an Ampex recording tape box.'

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    5 hours ago, binman said:

    Nup.

    Though the song was released somewhere around my birthday, so i'm no spring chicken.

    In addition to all the great sixties and seventies rock, this is was what i listening to in my misspent youth (by the by this is the greatest Australian rock song IMHO - crazy to think they were 16 when this was released in 1988):

     

     

    terrible

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    3 hours ago, jnrmac said:

    Written by Johnny Young

    haha molly the [censored]

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