MFC Members Football Forum: Tuesday 12th December 2023

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

15 minutes ago, Demonland said:

 

This is really pathetic reporting. I don't think we should be sweeping the straight sets under the carpet, but 'despite finals flops' in the headline conveniently leaves the 2021 flag out of the picture. I mean what the hell is it with these muppets in the media. 

They dont go after the Doggies nearly as hard despite having a list that cant even make prelims. 

[drysdale demon 4,832]

35 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I mean what the hell is it with these muppets in the media. 

Sewer Rats.

[ChaserJ 5,083]

12 hours ago, Hawk the Demon said:

Reckon 50 max in attendance, excluding MFC staff and officals. 8 or 9 questions.

Questions ranged from frustration with the fixture to why didn't we chase kpfs in the trade period/why couldn't we kick straight.

Pert acknowledged frustrations with the fixture and what it could cost Dees in dollar value ($1-$1.5 million potentially), but one win was not travelling to Geelong.  Doesn't know why we have been disproportionately fixture there more than others, to the extent that we'd actually asked the Cats whether they were requesting a home game against the Dees every year (they say they haven't).

Re: kpfs, Lamby did say they'd jump if Tom Lynch was available, but there weren't any possibilities that were better options than Petty (he was effusive on what he could bring over a full season up forward), and given we'd gone tall in consecutive drafts (Roo & Jefferson), want to see how they come on.

I relayed a question from my daughters on what we can expect to see from Riv and Sparrow, Goody said Tom 'oozes leadership' and they're excited to see how his game builds this year, Riv is building and we can expect to see him in midfield more and more, his speed and agility through the middle will give us a different look.  Selwyn Griffiths mentioned a bit later on that something seemed to have really clicked for Riv last season in terms of mindset and that he's ready for more midfield minutes.

Overall I enjoyed the event, there was really good access to the key decision makers at the club, and the greatest value (imo) came after the formal proceedings when all staff were available for an individual chat.  Given my obsession with all things draft, it was great to chat to Lamby about the recent draft period.  Didn't give away a whole lot that wasn't already out in the public domain, but it was clear that we really liked Nick Watson and my impression was that after Harley, Watson was the guy we were targeting. The clubs ahead of us just wanted too much. There wasn't really much of a conversation with WC for a future 1st, that might have been exaggerated in the media (re:offer for our pick, likely a different story at the GWS pick).

We talked about Windsor and when we developed an interest (noting the media only tied him to us relatively late). Lamby didn't know how it got out to the media (!), but said that Jase Taylor was a fan of Windsor coming into the year and we probably landed on him (a lot) earlier in the process than when we were eventually linked.

Spoke to Pert afterward, and on the new facilities, he is excited about the possibility of having 3 ovals (2 at Caulfield) for our various AFL & VFL sides to have access to.  With the introduction of the VFLW & AFLW, maintenance of ovals has become a challenge, so (exclusive) access to three ovals would be terrific for players across the 4 teams.  Whilst the announcement was for a feasibility study, Pert did say a lot of work has already been done and that we're a significant way down the track.  Reading between the lines, the study is a tick, but we may be closer to really locking in the facility than we have been.  That the location would be in traditional Demon heartland was a point of pride.

Edited December 12, 2023 by ChaserJ

[dazzledavey36 54,862]

3 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Questions ranged from frustration with the fixture to why didn't we chase kpfs in the trade period/why couldn't we kick straight.

Pert acknowledged frustrations with the fixture and what it could cost Dees in dollar value ($1-$1.5 million potentially), but one win was not travelling to Geelong.  Doesn't know why we have been disproportionately fixture there more than others, to the extent that we'd actually asked the Cats whether they were requesting a home game against the Dees every year (they say they haven't).

Re: kpfs, Lamby did say they'd jump if Tom Lynch was available, but there weren't any possibilities that were better options than Petty (he was effusive on what he could bring over a full season up forward), and given we'd gone tall in consecutive drafts (Roo & Jefferson), want to see how they come on.

I relayed a question from my daughters on what we can expect to see from Riv and Sparrow, Goody said Tom 'oozes leadership' and they're excited to see how his game builds this year, Riv is building and we can expect to see him in midfield more and more, his speed and agility through the middle will give us a different look.  Selwyn Griffiths mentioned a bit later on that something seemed to have really clicked for Riv last season in terms of mindset and that he's ready for more midfield minutes.

Overall I enjoyed the event, there was really good access to the key decision makers at the club, and the biggest value came after the formal proceedings when all staff were available for an individual chat.  Given my obsession with all things draft, it was great to chat to Lamby about the recent draft period.  Didn't give away a whole lot that wasn't already out in the public domain, but it was clear that we really liked Nick Watson and my impression was that after Harley, Watson was the guy we were targeting. The clubs ahead of us just wanted too much.  

We talked about Windsor and when we developed an interest (noting the media only tied him to us relatively late). Lamby didn't know how it got out to the media (!), but said that Jase Taylor was a fan of Windsor coming into the year and we probably landed on him (a lot) earlier in the process than when we were eventually linked.

Spoke to Pert afterward, and on the new facilities, he is excited about the possibility of having 3 ovals (2 at Caulfield) for our various AFL & VFL sides will have access to.  With the introduction of the VFLW & AFLW, maintenance of ovals has become a challenge, so (exclusive) access to three ovals would be terrific for players across the 4 teams.  Whilst the announcement was for a feasibility study, Pert did say a lot of work has already been done and that we're a significant way down the track.  Reading between the lines, the study is a tick, but we may be closer to really locking in the facility than we have been.  That the location would be in traditional Demon heartland was a point of pride.

Fantastic reporting mate 👌

[ChaserJ 5,083]

On 06/12/2023 at 23:14, jayceebee31 said:

All good and valid points raised- another maybe the injuries to many players?

Hey @jayceebee31, hope you're well mate.

Griffith spoke to our injuries in his presentation.  Mentioned that we lost 119 games to injury this year, the league average was approx 151, and 87% of our list were able to complete the season without significant injury whilst being one of the hardest two way running teams in the comp.

Clarrie was a high profile soft tissue injury, but a good percentage of the rest of our injury list comprised of collision type injuries (noting T Mac's injury was related to carry over foot issues and Ben Brown's knee was preexisting and managed well last year, but back issues arose during the season for him as well), where trauma (e.g. tackle related) resulted in the injury.  We did some analysis on these, in particular foot and ankle.  To the point that what shoes players wear were analysed and adjusted accordingly.

A large part that can't be accounted for in those trauma related injuries is luck.  We had some bad luck, particularly in one area of the ground which REALLY hurt us, but overall the results for the fitness program were positive.

 

[Deefiant 441]

13 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Hey @jayceebee31, hope you're well mate.

Griffith spoke to our injuries in his presentation.  Mentioned that we lost 119 games to injury this year, the league average was approx 151, and 87% of our list were able to complete the season without significant injury whilst being one of the hardest two way running teams in the comp.

Clarrie was a high profile soft tissue injury, but a good percentage of the rest of our injury list comprised of collision type injuries (noting T Mac's injury was related to carry over foot issues and Ben Brown's knee was preexisting and managed well last year, but back issues arose during the season for him as well), where trauma (e.g. tackle related) resulted in the injury.  We did some analysis on these, in particular foot and ankle.  To the point that what shoes players wear were analysed and adjusted accordingly.

A large part that can't be accounted for in those trauma related injuries is luck.  We had some bad luck, particularly in one area of the ground which REALLY hurt us, but overall the results for the fitness program were positive.

 

Thanks for the update. Just on face value, those stats don't really indicate how we pulled up in finals scenarios. Feels like we again, ran out of gas in the finals. And if players are carrying an injury but still play it skews the stats a little. 

[rjay 24,917]

Just now, Deefiant said:

Thanks for the update. Just on face value, those stats don't really indicate how we pulled up in finals scenarios. Feels like we again, ran out of gas in the finals. And if players are carrying an injury but still play it skews the stats a little. 

 

16 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

We had some bad luck, particularly in one area of the ground which REALLY hurt us

 

[jayceebee31 760]

22 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Hey @jayceebee31, hope you're well mate.

Griffith spoke to our injuries in his presentation.  Mentioned that we lost 119 games to injury this year, the league average was approx 151, and 87% of our list were able to complete the season without significant injury whilst being one of the hardest two way running teams in the comp.

Clarrie was a high profile soft tissue injury, but a good percentage of the rest of our injury list comprised of collision type injuries (noting T Mac's injury was related to carry over foot issues and Ben Brown's knee was preexisting and managed well last year, but back issues arose during the season for him as well), where trauma (e.g. tackle related) resulted in the injury.  We did some analysis on these, in particular foot and ankle.  To the point that what shoes players wear were analysed and adjusted accordingly.

A large part that can't be accounted for in those trauma related injuries is luck.  We had some bad luck, particularly in one area of the ground which REALLY hurt us, but overall the results for the fitness program were positive.

 I was there and heard the lot, but thanks Jay for insight…Your accurate summary.Also Goody stated we were overall only 1 goal deficit in average to winning the premiership…Just shows that bad luck is a major factor.

[Dannyz 2,739]

All presentations are now available on www.melbournefc.com.au 

[Demonsone 2,037]

3 hours ago, Super Sub Schache said:

Bad time of year to have it, not surprised about the low turn out.
 

Interest in football at its lowest for the year, lots of other activities on and the club has shot itself in the foot the last two years through poor team selection and player management.

 

Personally, I’m not interested in the training base, it’s nice to have for the club in terms of future security, being closer to the city and so on but we won a flag almost exclusively training out of Casey so that’s all that matters to me.

Training base is very important as the mfc may have the poorest of all clubs which is split between 2 grounds & our head office is in a 3rd location..compare ours to what hawks , tigers , even dogs & not to mention cats who have gotten hundreds of millions to develop their home ground to fit 40k so they train & play there.. we are chalk & cheese! Either evolve or you get left behind..  like we did after 1964!

[Gawndy the Great 9,011]

2 hours ago, Deefiant said:

Thanks for the update. Just on face value, those stats don't really indicate how we pulled up in finals scenarios. Feels like we again, ran out of gas in the finals. And if players are carrying an injury but still play it skews the stats a little. 

I don't think we did at all. We lost both finals due to poor conversion in front of goal and managing key moments in the game. We also were rocked with the hit on Brayshaw, which took the team a while to mentally recover from. 

7 and 2 points are not disasters like the media make it out to be. Yes it sucks and hurts and all of that but teams have evolved to outplay us in certain ways and we need to adapt. Finally, you cannot excuse poor kicking. I think we need to do a bit more work on resilience and coping with high pressure situations. 

[Diamond_Jim 12,568]

2 hours ago, ChaserJ said:

to the extent that we'd actually asked the Cats whether they were requesting a home game against the Dees every year (they say they haven't).

wrong answer... of course we go there unless Geelong asks to play them in one of their home MCG games. The real question is should Geelong be able to pick its opponents at the MCG.

[DeeZone 9,823]

Thanks ChaserJ for your detailed and valued report on proceedings also all contributer’s, great to hear that all coaches and CEO were approachable, sends a good signal to our supporters.

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,752]

41 minutes ago, Gawndy the Great said:

7 and 2 points are not disasters like the media make it out to be. Yes it sucks and hurts and all of that but teams have evolved to outplay us in certain ways and we need to adapt. Finally, you cannot excuse poor kicking. I think we need to do a bit more work on resilience and coping with high pressure situations. 

Not sure if you're referring to the team or the supporters! Or both.

[Monbon 1,840]

4 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

This is really pathetic reporting. I don't think we should be sweeping the straight sets under the carpet, but 'despite finals flops' in the headline conveniently leaves the 2021 flag out of the picture. I mean what the hell is it with these muppets in the media. 

They dont go after the Doggies nearly as hard despite having a list that cant even make prelims. 

Neither have I heard or read any fuss that the Cats, Premiers in 2022 didn't even make the finals, despite their eternally favourable fixtures.

[old55 23,548]

1 hour ago, Gawndy the Great said:

I don't think we did at all. We lost both finals due to poor conversion in front of goal and managing key moments in the game. We also were rocked with the hit on Brayshaw, which took the team a while to mentally recover from. 

7 and 2 points are not disasters like the media make it out to be. Yes it sucks and hurts and all of that but teams have evolved to outplay us in certain ways and we need to adapt. Finally, you cannot excuse poor kicking. I think we need to do a bit more work on resilience and coping with high pressure situations. 

In 2022 Collingwood lost finals by 6pts and 1pt, with a tidy win vs Freo at the MCG sandwiched in between. I don't think they threw the baby out with the bathwater in 2023 as a result.

They did double down on practising close game scenarios though.  In 2023 they won 3 finals by a total of 12pts.

Edited December 13, 2023 by old55

[DeeZone 9,823]

I just watched Alan Richardson, Simon Goodwin, Selwyn Griffith and Tim Lamb, they are leaving no stone unturned in attempting to make us a better football club. I love the holistic approach to football.❤️💙

[Dannyz 2,739]

Richo's piece about club staff was interesting. No mention of Dylan Roberton however. Does anyone know what his actual role is?

[whatwhat say what 22,744]

great report thanks @ChaserJ

impossible time of year for most to get there but glad that someone was able to do so

[Demonland 72,161]

 

[DeeZone 9,823]

After watching the first four videos on the website, I finished off with Gary Pert and Mick Stinear today. Firstly Gary Pert I always enjoy listening to Perty he is very inclusive and I liked that he addressed the questions that were directed his way and that he was excited about Caulfield. 
Mick is also very well spoken and covered off on the decline of his team after the Brisbane game and the fact that the team lacked the ability to regain the team spirit and connection that they had displayed during the season. He sounded a bit non plus’d and disappointed but looking forward to the draft and regeneration of the list. We are in very good hands particularly when you throw in Kate Roffe the MFC Board, Demonland and Fabulous Supporters.!!

[Roost it far 8,255]

On 13/12/2023 at 10:27, Deefiant said:

Thanks for the update. Just on face value, those stats don't really indicate how we pulled up in finals scenarios. Feels like we again, ran out of gas in the finals. And if players are carrying an injury but still play it skews the stats a little. 

We didn't run out of gas, we wet the bed against Collingwood and gifted Carlton a shot through poor discipline and  burning team mates.

[John Demonic 5,789]

Should've asked Selwyn if he'd be making his long awaited comeback at the Aus Open this year to get grand slam number 23.  

Edited December 14, 2023 by John Demonic

[John Demonic 5,789]

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Edited December 14, 2023 by John Demonic

[dazzledavey36 54,862]

On 13/12/2023 at 15:36, Dannyz said:

Richo's piece about club staff was interesting. No mention of Dylan Roberton however. Does anyone know what his actual role is?

He's been at Casey this week with the boys.

His role this year was working with our Casey Demons as a coaching staff member.

Edited December 14, 2023 by dazzledavey36