Jump to content

  • IMPORTANT: PLEASE READ BEFORE POSTING

    Demonland has made the difficult decision to not permit this platform to be used to discuss & debate the off-field issues relating to the Melbourne Football Club including matters currently being litigated between the Club & former Board members, board elections, the culture at the club & the personal issues & allegations against some of our players & officials ...

    We do not take these issues & this decision lightly & of course we believe that these serious matters affecting the club we love & are so passionate about are worthy of discussion & debate & I wish we could provide a place where these matters can be discussed in a civil & respectful manner.

    However these discussions unfortunately invariably devolve into areas that may be defamatory, libelous, spread unsubstantiated rumours & can effect the mental health of those involved. Even discussion & debate of known facts or media reports can lead to finger pointing, blame & personal attacks.

    The repercussion is that these discussions can open this website, it’s owners & it’s users to legal action & may result in this website being forced to shutdown.

    Our moderating team are all volunteers & cannot moderate the forum 24/7 & as a consequence problematic content that contravenes our rules & standards may go unnoticed for some time before it can be removed.

    We reserve the right to delete posts that offend against our above policy & indeed, to ban posters who are repeat offenders or who breach our code of conduct.

    WE HAVE BUILT A FANTASTIC ONLINE COMMUNITY AT DEMONLAND OVER THE PAST 23 YEARS & WE WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE TO BE ABLE TO DISCUSS THE CLUB WE LOVE & ARE SO PASSIONATE ABOUT.

    Thank you for your continued support & understanding. Go Dees.


Maynard must get at least four weeks


leave it to deever

Recommended Posts

40 minutes ago, layzie said:

So according to this thread tackling, smothering, marking contests and any sort of collisions should be outlawed. 

Honestly this game has 20 years left as we know it and I mean that sincerely. There's no way you are going to stop concussions completely and until there is some kind of technology that can pad the brain better then we'll obviously need to keep doing these kinds of measures. 

"Go hard, put pressure on the ball carrier but don't leave the ground or stop mid air or make the split second decision to turn the shoulder the right way"

"Don't go for a smother, let him kick the ball inside 50"

"Tackle hard but not too hard"

"Pull out of marking contests"

I care about protecting the head as much as the next person but this is getting out of hand if you want to follow the sport.

There is nothing wrong with attempting to smother.  It is his decision to turn, brace and lean his weight and momentum  into Gus' head with his shoulder.  There is no way on this earth you can tell me he had to do that and no way on earth he would have done that if it had been Nick Daicos there instead of Gus during match practice at training.

  • Like 6
Link to comment
Share on other sites

38 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Watch the MRO grade it as accidental, not high and medium impact and he gets a fine. 

Never mind that Gus has a black eye according to Goodwin and was knocked out.

 

And arguably cost us the game losing a player of his versatility and importance to team set up (including part of the forward line).

When you have some powerbrokers like Dangerfield say "there is nothing in this" and McLachlan say "the fact Brayshaw was knocked out will be a factor but not the defining factor", there is absolutely no hope for justice here

Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Jaded No More said:

So Hunter got a week for 'hitting' Butters who went on to have 900 touches and win the game.

Maynard should get off tho because we should be letting players just play the game?

Plenty of spoils occur in footy every week. We had about 10 last night. None of them ended up with a player getting knocked out. 

 

Yes, but dont seriously believe that was Maynards intention? Otherwise you need a rule stating you cannot make contact with a player while in mid air. There is a no more punchable head in the league than Maynard but where do we draw the line on what is/is not intentional?

It's impossible to know the MRP process these days and the inconsistency of the tribunal. Why did Bedford get a week, why did JVR have to defend himself at the Tribunal over a football contest, why are some tackles dangerous and not others. not.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Just now, Jibroni said:

 

Yes, but dont seriously believe that was Maynards intention? Otherwise you need a rule stating you cannot make contact with a player while in mid air. There is a no more punchable head in the league than Maynard but where do we draw the line on what is/is not intentional?

It's impossible to know the MRP process these days and the inconsistency of the tribunal. Why did Bedford get a week, why did JVR have to defend himself at the Tribunal over a football contest, why are some tackles dangerous and not others. not.

No doubt the process is muddy and rubbish and inconsistent.

I think it's hard to argue that Maynard's intention was not to hurt Gus. As I said earlier, did he want to concuss him? Probably not. Did he want to hurt him? Absolutely.

He has form, a lot of it, he said during the week he is going to go hard and hurt us. Did he hope to impact the kick? Sure. Did he see an opportunity to smash into Gus hard at the same time by turning his body into him?  100% yes.

 

  • Like 4
  • Love 1
  • Clap 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

No doubt the process is muddy and rubbish and inconsistent.

I think it's hard to argue that Maynard's intention was not to hurt Gus. As I said earlier, did he want to concuss him? Probably not. Did he want to hurt him? Absolutely.

He has form, a lot of it, he said during the week he is going to go hard and hurt us. Did he hope to impact the kick? Sure. Did he see an opportunity to smash into Gus hard at the same time by turning his body into him?  100% yes.

 

Well said 

Edited by Billy
  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, Macca said:

Specifically the first quarter? 

We were rattled and let them get away.  Effectively, that was enough but we nearly caught them

And they missed 3 very gettable shots in the first quarter

As for the rest of the game, we just blazed away with not enough purpose

I see the actions of Maynard and the way we stuffed up our opportunities to win the game as two completely different things Macca.

Whilst I do believe that this action caused a big disruption to the way we wanted to play the game, but it wasn't the reason we lost. 

Maynard did not have to make contact with the player. He chose to run directly at Brayshaw, jump into him and ultimately braced for contact.  Brayshaw had no opportunity and was exposed due to what Maynard did. This contact was 100% caused by Maynard and jumping at speed and making high contact was entirely on him. To say he wasn't responsible for his actions because it's "a footy act"  is wrong.

  • Like 2
Link to comment
Share on other sites


12 minutes ago, Jibroni said:

 

Yes, but dont seriously believe that was Maynards intention?

Do you seriously believe that he knew he wouldn't make contact with Brayshaw at top speed and by jumping that it wasn't going to be a hard hit?  C'mon really? Brayshaw didn't deviate, and didn't even see him coming (and he was facing him) 

Maynard didn't just jump up to spoil as if he's manning the mark, he jumped into Brayshaw.

Edited by Ouch!
  • Like 3
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

1 minute ago, Ouch! said:

I see the actions of Maynard and the way we stuffed up our opportunities to win the game as two completely different things Macca.

Whilst I do believe that this action caused a big disruption to the way we wanted to play the game, but it wasn't the reason we lost. 

Maynard did not have to make contact with the player. He chose to run directly at Brayshaw, jump into him and ultimately braced for contact.  Brayshaw had no opportunity and was exposed due to what Maynard did. This contact was 100% caused by Maynard and jumping at speed and making high contact was entirely on him. To say he wasn't responsible for his actions because it's "a footy act"  is wrong.

I agree with everything you've said there, Ouch

So if we ignore the 'fake-arms-in-the-air-smother', Maynard just basically took Brayshaw out with a charge.  Used to be called a shirt-front

It was not a footy act and too many have bought into the bs smother story.  Because that's all it is ... a story

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

I am astonished that some so-called commentators refer to Maynard's hit as a footy act.  Sure, attempt to smother/spoil, but he jumped and launched toward Gus and therefore the odds were he was going to impact the head.  If he gets off this, then there is no footy justice.

Shots fired

shos fired

collingwood key back final campaign imperilled by cowardly act

quick Marshal the media response unit! All stations all channels

the Speed at which Maynard laid out that it was a football act clearly demonstrates his guilt 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

2 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

I am astonished that some so-called commentators refer to Maynard's hit as a footy act.  Sure, attempt to smother/spoil, but he jumped and launched toward Gus and therefore the odds were he was going to impact the head.  If he gets off this, then there is no footy justice.

Must agree.. it was more of a front on tackle.

Feet leaving the ground is the clincher.... Do it at your own risk

Link to comment
Share on other sites

47 minutes ago, ElDiablo14 said:

No, you are off the mark mate.

You can be hard but fair.

We want players to avoid dangerous techniques while tackling, smothering or any other footy act. It is dangerous to their peers and themselves.

Appreciate your point but I dont believe I'm off the mark. You've openly admitted yourself to being new to the game within the last decade so with respect you may not fully understand how miniscule the difference is between being hard and fair and hard and reckless in this sport and what you learn at a young age. Every player that crosses the line understands the risks and if Gus Brayshaw who I love to death has reservations about playing because of his concussion history then he shouldn't be playing simple as that.

You will never eliminate frontal contact completely, not with the game in this form. This is a collision sport and while I'm coming around to it being reckless and possibly worthy of a 1-2 gane suspension I don't think you're going to save more concussions by making an example out of a football act gone wrong. 

 

Edited by layzie
  • Facepalm 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Diamond_Jim said:

Must agree.. it was more of a front on tackle.

Feet leaving the ground is the clincher.... Do it at your own risk

Yup
Just watching the front on video footage again, Maynard at the last second changes the direction he is running ever so slightly before jumping off the ground. If he had continued on that original line he wouldn't have made contact like he did to Brayshaw.

  • Like 1
  • Thinking 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

11 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

I see the actions of Maynard and the way we stuffed up our opportunities to win the game as two completely different things Macca.

Whilst I do believe that this action caused a big disruption to the way we wanted to play the game, but it wasn't the reason we lost. 

Maynard did not have to make contact with the player. He chose to run directly at Brayshaw, jump into him and ultimately braced for contact.  Brayshaw had no opportunity and was exposed due to what Maynard did. This contact was 100% caused by Maynard and jumping at speed and making high contact was entirely on him. To say he wasn't responsible for his actions because it's "a footy act"  is wrong.

I think it's both a footy act and he should be responsible for his actions. 

  • Like 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites


1 hour ago, layzie said:

So according to this thread tackling, smothering, marking contests and any sort of collisions should be outlawed. 

Honestly this game has 20 years left as we know it and I mean that sincerely. There's no way you are going to stop concussions completely and until there is some kind of technology that can pad the brain better then we'll obviously need to keep doing these kinds of measures. 

"Go hard, put pressure on the ball carrier but don't leave the ground or stop mid air or make the split second decision to turn the shoulder the right way"

"Don't go for a smother, let him kick the ball inside 50"

"Tackle hard but not too hard"

"Pull out of marking contests"

I care about protecting the head as much as the next person but this is getting out of hand if you want to follow the sport.

Agree Laze.

  • Thanks 1
  • Facepalm 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

13 minutes ago, I'va Worn Smith said:

I am astonished that some so-called commentators refer to Maynard's hit as a footy act.  Sure, attempt to smother/spoil, but he jumped and launched toward Gus and therefore the odds were he was going to impact the head.  If he gets off this, then there is no footy justice.

Absolutely. This was not a typical 'smother', and there were many other ways he could have reasonably attempted to apply a smother, which is what you usually see players do.

At best, this would have been a free kick for collecting an opponent late after disposing of the ball - which is not a football act. At worst, you get what we did with a concussion being the result. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I just feel for Gus and his family.

His parents have had to watch Angus get so many head knocks and concussion after concussion, they've had to endure watching Andrew getting punched on the field and also I feel for Danielle Gus's fiancee who we all know lost her dad after endruing many head knocks cauisng him many health issues. 

  • Like 5
  • Love 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

5 minutes ago, layzie said:

You will never eliminate frontal contact completely, not with the game in this form. This is a collision sport and while I'm coming around to it being reckless and possibly worthy of a 1-2 gane suspension I don't think you're going to save more concussions by making an example out of a football act gone wrong. 

Couple of things Layzie,

Correct you won't eliminate contact completely, but we expect contact in a contested ball situation. Brayshaw was disposing of the ball, and had Maynard launch at him, and he did change his line just before he jumped and he knew he was going to make contact with the player. No one is saying you shouldnt' be able to jump up and smother the ball?  (his apparent footy act) but jumping at a player knowing you are going to hit him high at speed?  Not sure about that

  • Like 3
  • Clap 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

All these love heart Instagram posts from our players referencing Gus is definitely not comforting me or leading me to believe that he’s ok. 
Fingers crossed he will be fine and this won’t impact his career like it has before. 

pretty sure it's his season

  • Shocked 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, Ouch! said:

Couple of things Layzie,

Correct you won't eliminate contact completely, but we expect contact in a contested ball situation. Brayshaw was disposing of the ball, and had Maynard launch at him, and he did change his line just before he jumped and he knew he was going to make contact with the player. No one is saying you shouldnt' be able to jump up and smother the ball?  (his apparent footy act) but jumping at a player knowing you are going to hit him high at speed?  Not sure about that

That's fair enough. I'd like to see the change of direction part because I'm just not seeing it. All I see is is run straight and jump which admittedly is a bit careless. Would be happy to see some kind of walk through.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Unfortunately, your content contains terms that we do not allow. Please edit your content to remove the highlighted words below.
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Demonland Forums  

  • Match Previews, Reports & Articles  

    SCRUTINY & RESILIENCE by Whispering Jack

    If the week when preseason training melds into scratch matches with other clubs, is the first marker for the beginning of a new season, then this has certainly been a torrid opener for the Melbourne Football Club in its campaign to remain a leading AFL premiership contender in 2024. The Demons were already under enormous scrutiny from the media and football’s fan base (including their own) after consecutive straight-sets finals exits, with Clayton Oliver’s well documented woes, the Joel Smi

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 9

    Angus Brayshaw Forced into Retirement

    After 167 games including the drought breaking Premiership Angus Brayshaw has made the heart breaking decision to medically retire from football as a result of a series of serious head knocks over his nearly decade of footy. We wish Gus all the best and he'll always be a hero at Demonland. 😢

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 377

    PODCAST: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demonland Podcast will air LIVE on Tuesday, 20th February @ 8:30pm. Join George, Binman & I as we dissect the Scratch Match loss to the Tigers and hopefully provide me with some free MFCSS therapy. You questions and comments are a huge part of our podcast so please post anything you want to ask or say below and we'll give you a shout out on the show. If you would like to leave us a voicemail please call 03 9016 3666 and don't worry no body answers so you don't have to talk to a

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 43

    PREGAME: Practice Match vs Carlton

    The Dees will play their final practice match before the start of the 2024 seasons against the Blues at Ikon Park. What are you wanting to see in this final hit out before the season proper? Will Clarry & Salo return to the side? 2024 AAMI Community Series | Carlton v Melbourne Date: Wednesday 28 February Time: 6:40pm (AEDT) Location: IKON Park | Wurundjeri

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 80

    POSTGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Dees were outclassed and outmuscled in its first practice hit out for the 2024 season against the Tigers going down by 23 points at Casey Fields. 

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 286

    GAMEDAY: Match SIM vs Richmond

    It's Game Day and it's been 156 days since the Demons were bundled out of the finals in straight sets for the 2nd year in a row. Our redemption starts here. Remember it's only a practice match if we lose. Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways Demons Squad: 1. Steven May 2. Jacob Van Rooyen

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 402

    TRAINING: Saturday 17th February 2024

    On the eve of the Dees first practice match for the 2024 season a couple of Demonland Trackwatchers bring you their observations from today’s Captain’s Run at Gosch’s Paddock.  KEV MARTIN’S CAPTAIN’S RUN OBSERVATIONS Looks a a dress rehearsal Captain's run. 23 out doing drills.  Included is Will Verall, Kynan Brown, Bailey Laurie, Caleb Windsor, Blake Howes, Adam Tomlinson, Kade Chandler, Jack Billings and Josh Schache. Rehab include BBB, Tom Fullarton, TMac, AMW, Woey.

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports

    PREGAME: Match SIM vs Richmond

    The Demons will take to the field in their first hit out for 2024 against another team when they take on the Tigers at Casey Fields in a Scratch Match consisting of 7 "quarters". Melbourne vs Richmond Date: Sunday 18th Feb Location: Casey Fields Gate open: 9.30am Match commences: 10am Watch: Foxtel & Kayo Inclusions: Seven-quarter match simulation Signing opportunities Kids' activities Partner giveaways What are your expectations? What do you want to see from

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Melbourne Demons 130

    TRAINING: Monday 12th February 2024

    Clayton Oliver was integrated back into the main training group today for the first time in 2024 after completing a 2km time trial. FriendlyFellow, a new Demonland Trackwatcher hit Gosch's Paddock on a hot and windy morning to bring you his observations of the session. Disclaimer: Saw on the socials they were down at Gosch’s Paddock so headed down for a quick look. Little to no presence of other track watchers and no current live thread, so as a first time contributor, giving what the peopl

    Demonland
    Demonland |
    Training Reports 6
  • Tell a friend

    Love Demonland? Tell a friend!

×
×
  • Create New...