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Broken toed Gawn should play at ff. Grundy ruck. Gawn in the goalsquare may force carlton to make unfavourable ( for them ) moves. We can't go into this game playing safe conservative footy so some bold moves could be the start.

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Does Spargo come in for Chandler?

Chandler's kicked just 2 goals in the last 4 games and I would have thought a KPI of his is to surely hit the scoreboard? 2.1 in the last 4 games is poor.

Or do they hope that Chandler has one of those 3 goal games that he's well and truly capable of, and be a Bobby Hill type match winner?

 

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13 hours ago, Jack7 said:

On Friday night,i'd like to see Max lead the boys to the place where Angus was felled,23 players form a circle,arm in arm.

Tonight is for our Fallen Brother!

Goody says they want to stay positive and get on with it. That's not something they need to be reminded of.

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46 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

this is the angriest i've ever seen goodwin in a presser

 

 

You can tell he's absolutely filthy. Or "salty" to quote a few morons I've dealt with this week.

Luke Beveridge would coach this side to a flag from this spot. Can Simon harness the energy for good? I worry he can't - it's not his style.

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32 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Christian Petracca had his knee strapped at training today.

Had to do a mountain more work in the middle against the pies than what they would have planned for. Can't help. 

I'm surprised they didn't use Laurie on ball at all. Even 5 or 10 minutes would have given tracc a chop out and chance to play forward. Laurie played as a mid at casey all season after all.

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22 minutes ago, binman said:

Had to do a mountain more work in the middle against the pies than what they would have planned for. Can't help. 

I'm surprised they didn't use Laurie on ball at all. Even 5 or 10 minutes would have given tracc a chop out and chance to play forward. Laurie played as a mid at casey all season after all.

Because they were playing catch up all night most likely.

I would have had Riv in there. And maybe even put viney fwd because he did nothing in the middle.

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24 minutes ago, binman said:

Had to do a mountain more work in the middle against the pies than what they would have planned for. Can't help. 

I'm surprised they didn't use Laurie on ball at all. Even 5 or 10 minutes would have given tracc a chop out and chance to play forward. Laurie played as a mid at casey all season after all.

Why oh why do we refuse to give Kosi more time on ball?

 

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2 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Because they were playing catch up all night most likely.

I would have had Riv in there. And maybe even put viney fwd because he did nothing in the middle.

That's a good point.

To get back into the match we needed to dominate around the ball, which we did.

Hard to see us doing so without tracc in there to cover for Gus.

I focused on the first quarter in terms of where i thought we lost the game. but really giving up four goals against the run of play and only managing 2.5 (Jesus wept) in the third was also huge factor.

if we could have gone in at 3 quarter time only, say, two goals down they might have been more prepared to risk throwing trac forward and perhaps rivers onto the ball.

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On 9/10/2023 at 11:33 AM, Deespicable said:

A couple of amendments to my earlier team, which was based on Harmes playing and he's now out.

There are two big changes required this week.

The first is to drop the red mist - a term Garry Lyon dubbed on our dump long kicks three years ago before we turned it all around in 2021 and used the short low pass to pry open defences. Moore et al had a field day with the long bombs on Thursday night and Weitering, who loves to sag back, will be salivating at the prospect of such an assault. Unfortunately our best lateral thinker - Brayshaw - will be out and our best lead-up player Melky is out. Our best two clever chip kicks from 2021  weren't around either on Thursday - Spargo (overlooked) and the Christian Salem we used to know.

So the first thing to do is for Goody to have a long confidence-building chat with Salem and ask him to take the game on and take risks like the old Sallo did. And the other thing is to bring Spargo in and that means Chandler has to go - we can't have four vertically challenged guys in our forward line - it's the wrong balance. A chat with our biggest distributor Olly about looking inboard or for the lead-up option wouldn't hurt either.

The second change is to the forward make-up. Three players kicked 14 goals against Richmond six weeks ago, but none of them will be playing on Friday, so it's a tricky reconfigure. But here's my fifty cents worth.

We are all hoping that Grundy plays like a forward for once, but why are we doing that when we know it won't work because he's not quick enough to lead-up and he's not a great leaping aerialist. But he is a genuinely good ruckman - we saw that first hand when Gawny was injured. So, it's time to go back and playing him there and putting the pressure on the skipper to take a hit for the team. Gawn has to play a forward for almost the entire game. For once Goody has to make Grundy the main man and Gawn the key man. We all know Gawny will mark it if not held down, so Carlton will have to deploy Gov and Weitering close to him to stop him.

The second change to our forward mix has already been alluded to by Goody who made it clear that Angus going down, forced him to play Trac in the middle. It didn't actually because Rivers was an option but we chose to go small with the sub, when we knew the Pies were much taller than us. The advantage with Trac is that he demands the ball and means that players will be more willing to try the chip kick when he's around up there.

Ultimately the rest of the magnets don't matter so much as once you have your best two players down there, along with your two other livewire goalkickers - Pickett and Fritsch - you have a combo that will kick a winning total.

But for arguments sake - Jordon has to play and in the guts. And Rivers has to be given a run in there early as well. Sparrow plays hard on Walsh, Rivers tags Cripps and follows him when he goes forward.

A decision on whether to play Turner in our back mix is needed as well, although that depends on whether Durdin comes in for McKay. Carlton has bunch of quick tackling forwards who aren't much chop but because they all work their butts off, they are dangerous - Cunningham, Fogarty, Motlop, Owies and Cottrell. May takes Curnow, Hibberd takes Motlop and McVee takes the quickest who I think is Owies and if Durdin plays then Lever has a good match-up. With McKay out, TDK will play more as a forward so either Turner or Smith are required top counter his height a bit. 

And the choice of the sub has to be debated long and hard at the selection table.

There are a few choices - we can make Chandler the sub and hope that we don't lose a big to injury early. Or if we drop T-Mac as I suspect we will, then both he or Schache may be required as sub, because that means we gone mega small and having another small on the bench is as stupid as it was the other night.  The thing with T-Mac is that he's still smart, he's just way too slow. But coming on late his lack of pace is negated a bit because everyone is tired.

Out: Brayshaw, van Rooyen, T-Mac, Chandler.

In: Jordon, Grundy, Turner, Spargo

B: McVee May Hibberd

HB: Bowey Turner Lever

C: Langdon Rivers Hunter

HF: Smith Gawn Spargo

F: Pickett Petracca Fritsch 

Ru: Grundy Oliver Viney

Int: Sparrow (mid), Jordon (mid), ANB (fwd), Salem (def)

Sub: Chandler or T-Mac/Schache - decision based on whether Carlton goes big or small - Durdin or Hollands for McKay.

 

Go Chandler for the sub - he's been quieter, but still can do the job with his mobility and outstanding kicking for goal if we lower the eyes making the forward arc line (inside, thereabouts) the key to goal scoring. Clarrie get your target, no long bombs to la la land.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

I’d honestly throw the dice with BBB if he’s fit.

Goody noted in his presser that he was fully training and possibly up for selection.

Playing Brown gives us two talls with Tmac and then Weitering likely has to go to BBB.

BB and Tmac in the same forwardline. Jesus wept.

I love them both, but neither of them can move. Carlton will run all their half back attack through those two. 

It's one or the other. 

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8 minutes ago, OhMyDees said:

I’d honestly throw the dice with BBB if he’s fit.

Goody noted in his presser that he was fully training and possibly up for selection.

Playing Brown gives us two talls with Tmac and then Weitering likely has to go to BBB.

You can play either Brown or TMac but both would be suicide.

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2 hours ago, Bring-Back-Powell said:

Does Spargo come in for Chandler?

Chandler's kicked just 2 goals in the last 4 games and I would have thought a KPI of his is to surely hit the scoreboard? 2.1 in the last 4 games is poor.

Or do they hope that Chandler has one of those 3 goal games that he's well and truly capable of, and be a Bobby Hill type match winner?

 

I think spargo comes in for either Laurie or Chandler. Going by Wheelos ratings, Chandler only provided approx 1/5 of his normal defensive pressure acts. Hopefully a one off but with the high stakes of finals he cannot afford to have another game like that.

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