33 games, 10 goals. Feels like more hopium or legitimate Max ruck back up as opposed to ruck/forward solution? 

2 minutes ago, Dee*ceiving said:

33 games, 10 goals. Feels like more hopium or legitimate Max ruck back up as opposed to ruck/forward solution? 

His VFL level says different for this year anyway.

10 games for 14 goals.

14 minutes ago, beelzebub said:

How does a Free agent affect pick 1 ?? 

I'm tipping red is implying WC might feel some resentment for us taking  a player away from them and therefore less likely to trade pick 1 to us.

10 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I'm tipping red is implying WC might feel some resentment for us taking  a player away from them and therefore less likely to trade pick 1 to us.

Ah..i see.   Cheers

Personally not a fan of throwing everything into #1.  Would rather a handful of promising talent..  Greater chance imho of finding a couple of handy players.  Reid will be good...so will others.

23 minutes ago, Nascent said:

I'm tipping red is implying WC might feel some resentment for us taking  a player away from them and therefore less likely to trade pick 1 to us.

could make it part of a trade deal and supporting each other...

2 hours ago, Redleg said:

They have two, Williams and youngster Barnett.

Williams is a forward forced to play first ruck and Barnett is a kid. Flynn I guess is looking to plant his flag as number 1 ruck somewhere now not as a transition. 

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Lil_red_fire_engine

2 hours ago, beelzebub said:

How does a Free agent affect pick 1 ?? 

If we grab the bloke they want, they might not be inclined to trade picks with us.

3 hours ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Do you think after 8 years on GWS list Flynn wants to leave to wait another 2 years to play regular senior football?

Max had to wait 8 years I recall....

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by jnrmac

32 minutes ago, Redleg said:

If we grab the bloke they want, they might not be inclined to trade picks with us.

If they believe the deal will advantage them they'll still do it.

3 hours ago, Red and Blue realist said:

From memory we were the ones who placed an academy bid on him, so fair chance we had a bit to do with him before he got drafted 

Yeah we bid on him at pick 41.

Afl.com article - always funny looking back at drafts and who got bid on. Himmelberg and Keays were good value for where they were bid, Matt Kennedy less so.

49 minutes ago, jnrmac said:

Max had to wait 8 years I recall....

Fair but this guy already has. We would be asking him to wait 2 more. Do you think Gawn would have come to us at that point under that scenario?

24 minutes ago, old55 said:

If they believe the deal will advantage them they'll still do it.

Ah yes, never mind the quality, feel the width.

11 minutes ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Fair but this guy already has. We would be asking him to wait 2 more. Do you think Gawn would have come to us at that point under that scenario?

How do you sell the idea to anyone then? Everyone's seen that Max is better as the only ruck. Whoever comes needs to be comfortable with that unless they are a genuine forward-ruck.

From our perspective that's an issue though because we do need an able backup in the increasingly likely case of injury or decline to Max. 

Whoever we approach, we can't say 'you and Max can play together' because we couldn't do that with just about the best and most different ruck that was available last year

1 hour ago, Redleg said:

If we grab the bloke they want, they might not be inclined to trade picks with us.

Yes.. another intimated.

Not fussed about pick 1

Reid not the solution 😉

13 minutes ago, Redleg said:

Ah yes, never mind the quality, feel the width.

Don't cut off your nose to spite your face ...

Three birds in the hand are worth #1 in the bush?

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Timothy Reddan-A'Blew

3 hours ago, Lil_red_fire_engine said:

Fair but this guy already has. We would be asking him to wait 2 more. Do you think Gawn would have come to us at that point under that scenario?

I guess if he can play fwd that might solve some problems We did alright with Gawn and Jackson from memory .

Very good ruck back up if we can get him.  Might be able to rest Max for a hand full of games.

7 minutes ago, Travy14 said:

Very good ruck back up if we can get him.  Might be able to rest Max for a hand full of games.

I’d be very surprised if Max let’s them rest him!

37 minutes ago, The Jackson FIX said:

I’d be very surprised if Max let’s them rest him!

He has been injured the past 2 final series now.  He might not have a choice 

2 hours ago, Travy14 said:

Very good ruck back up if we can get him.  Might be able to rest Max for a hand full of games.

Agree on the first part but as for the second, Goodwin doesn't manage (rest) players very often if at all

Edited October 2, 20231 yr by Demon Dynasty

Given the two options WC or us he has to choose West Coast, right?

Barnett is still two years away and he can walk into a first ruck position. A shame.

 

5 hours ago, dee-tox said:

Given the two options WC or us he has to choose West Coast, right?

Barnett is still two years away and he can just about walk into a first ruck position. 

 

But what if success is his priority? 

7 hours ago, Demon Dynasty said:

Agree on the first part but as for the second, Goodwin doesn't manage (rest) players very often if at all

No.... he doesn't 

... that idea never made it to print in the "Great Book of Learnings" ....

15 hours ago, Redleg said:

If we grab the bloke they want, they might not be inclined to trade picks with us.

Flip side, if we open up the door for them to take the bloke that they want - that they know we could have got - it could be leverage to deal with us on pick 1. 
I’m not 100% sure blackmail is the way to go though.