Ryley Sanders

[spirit of norm smith 13,118]

1 hour ago, The Jackson FIX said:

Best case scenario is he is a gun (which you would hope for at that pick) but if he is a gun he becomes Tassie’s #1 priority and we get 4 seasons out of a kid… isn’t the goal generally 10yr+ players from a top end draft pick?  What am I missing here?

edit: wouldn’t a better chance of 10 years out of somewhere perhaps not quite as talented being a better outcome for the club? 

Good discussion point. Mckercher. Sanders. Leake. All top youngsters this year from Tassie. Do you pick them for 4-5 years and then have the confidence to hold them when the Tassie armada sails in.  

[samcantstandya 943]

5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Good discussion point. Mckercher. Sanders. Leake. All top youngsters this year from Tassie. Do you pick them for 4-5 years and then have the confidence to hold them when the Tassie armada sails in.  

As they say in "Little Britain", the computer says no.

[old55 21,399]

5 minutes ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Good discussion point. Mckercher. Sanders. Leake. All top youngsters this year from Tassie. Do you pick them for 4-5 years and then have the confidence to hold them when the Tassie armada sails in.  

If they're any good the AFL will 100% come up with a package to get them to kick start the Tasmanian team. Special "marketing" salary cap bonus.

It's pretty rare to have such high quality in the draft from Tamania. They'll be in the perfect age range. It's an irresistible prospect for the AFL.

[old55 21,399]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Will wait until after the trade period to see where the draft picks might land. 
 

I am 99% wanting Sanders as our first pick. We want a quality mid, with pace, elite skills and decision making, and yes who can kick goals.  From this years group, it’s Reid, Mckercher and Sanders.  
Given Reid and Mckercher are likely to get drafted before our pick, then it’s Ryley Sanders for me. He would be a great addition (even with the Tassie 2028 future hanging out there). 

Don't need a KPB like O'Sullivan to apprentice May?

[adonski 9,192]

1 minute ago, old55 said:

Don't need a KPB like O'Sullivan to apprentice May?

We've gone after Cerra via trade, then tried to trade up for Humprey, so probably a mid on the cards should things align? 

[old55 21,399]

Just now, adonski said:

We've gone after Cerra via trade, then tried to trade up for Humprey, so probably a mid on the cards should things align? 

That was before Harrison Petty became a forward.

I know the mantra is "best available" for developing lists, but with a contending list like ours I think we need to draft for needs.

[adonski 9,192]

2 minutes ago, old55 said:

That was before Harrison Petty became a forward.

I know the mantra is "best available" for developing lists, but with a contending list like ours I think we need to draft for needs.

I agree, we need midfielders

[old55 21,399]

4 minutes ago, adonski said:

I agree, we need midfielders

Christian Petracca and Jack Viney in the top 8 in the Brownlow, then there's that fellow Oliver.  Andrew Brayshaw's brother is there too and Tom Sparrow on the rise ...

[BW511 2,262]

10 minutes ago, old55 said:

Christian Petracca and Jack Viney in the top 8 in the Brownlow, then there's that fellow Oliver.  Andrew Brayshaw's brother is there too and Tom Sparrow on the rise ...

I wouldn’t value the modern Brownlow as anything other than a bit of marketing for the AFL.

 

[Demon Disciple 11,056]

Agree we need mids. We have no generation next coming through.

[old55 21,399]

31 minutes ago, BW511 said:

I wouldn’t value the modern Brownlow as anything other than a bit of marketing for the AFL.

 

It's a midfielders medal no doubt, but are you really suggesting that the top 10 - Neale, Bontempelli, N.Daicos, Gulden, Butters, Petracca, Serong, Viney, Cripps and Anderson are a set of "marketing" imposters and not a roll call of the top midfielders in the AFL in season 2023?

Edited September 25, 2023 by old55

[old55 21,399]

16 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

Agree we need mids. We have no generation next coming through.

Next generation of KPBs coming through?

[The Jackson FIX 2,295]

1 hour ago, spirit of norm smith said:

Good discussion point. Mckercher. Sanders. Leake. All top youngsters this year from Tassie. Do you pick them for 4-5 years and then have the confidence to hold them when the Tassie armada sails in.  

The other unusual aspects to consider are;

- this isn’t like the risk of Jackson or Kossie getting homesick - there is the lure of being the first marquee player (and very well paid) for the long-awaited new side in their home state

- the unknown of compensation for losing the player, but I think general consensus is we would get somewhere between ‘nothing’ and ‘not enough’ (most likely less than we’d be compensated if trading a player back to Perth).

 

If the argument is ‘we need to build for the long term’ then the above two considerations mean it is a hard NO for me.

If the argument is ‘our window is open’ and ‘we need to recruit for the now’ then surely we use pick 5 to trade in a more established player that offers better immediate value (over the next 4 years).

[Binmans PA 26,288]

Mids are a dime a dozen. If they land in the top 2 or 3 picks I agree they're often more special than others, but KPPs are so much harder to pick outside of the first round.

O'Sullivan every day of the week. If he gets picked by another club, then maybe a mid comes into the equation, but a Tassie mid is super dangerous. I agree with @old55. We're asking for trouble if we go there.

[Demon Disciple 11,056]

17 minutes ago, old55 said:

Next generation of KPBs coming through?

We have many holes it seems

[Willmoy1947 3,805]

15 hours ago, Sydney_Demon said:

It's great that the AFL has finally confirmed Sanders is not available to North unless outside Top 40 (🙂). It's not just him being available to Melbourne, but it takes pressure off other potential choices having him in the mix.

So the AFL is not pushing us into take Sanders?

[Binmans PA 26,288]

28 minutes ago, Demon Disciple said:

We have many holes it seems

We have the best midfield in the game, we need a replacement for May, and more forward power/x factor and finishing forward of centre.

I'm sure we'll target some mid replacements, but Harmes, JJ and Dunstan going isn't exactly a big hole given Gus is playing on. If we had three top 10 picks, that'd be different, but instead, we need to be more strategic about the most pressing needs here.

We would hope Rivers and maybe even McVee and Bowey move into the midfield next year and then we have Howes coming in to replace them at half back/wing, so unless we have huge injuries which we'd never be able to cover sufficiently no matter who we add to our list, IMV, we're better going for improving areas we're not already elite in.

With Petty forward, the second tall defender is no longer very good, we're relying on a questionable Tomlinson, an undersized Turner and a developing Adams. A key back that can play now is undoubtedly a key area of need and within 2 years, May will be gone, so we'll be left with Lever and that's it.

Secondly, with McAdam on his way, we add him to Petty, JVR, Fritta, Kozzy. ANB will likely be in that forward mix too, so there's a spot there for another x factor forward. Chandler is okay, but he's not quick enough, nor does he have enough x factor IMO, so there's another area I'd be targeting list wise. A player to partner Kozzy and tag team out of stoppage and deep forward. If we could somehow land another top 10 pick, I'd love Watson.

But the midfield as it stands is Oliver, Petracca, Viney, Sparrow, Brayshaw and likely Rivers and potentially McVee and Bowey. I'd much prefer we target a FA for our midfield in 2-3 years, and get either end of the ground sorted in the meantime.

Each to their own though.

Edited September 26, 2023 by Binmans PA

[adonski 9,192]

Some new vision

 

[DeeSpencer 23,256]

8 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

We have the best midfield in the game, we need a replacement for May, and more forward power/x factor and finishing forward of centre.

I'm sure we'll target some mid replacements, but Harmes, JJ and Dunstan going isn't exactly a big hole given Gus is playing on. If we had three top 10 picks, that'd be different, but instead, we need to be more strategic about the most pressing needs here.

Our wings are just about done, Gus might have to go back outside. Viney should be eased back from a full time role soon. Tracc will be a forward sooner than later. And there’s no guarantees backs or forwards can be mids.

Pies have Nick Daicos. Port have JHF. Brisbane have Ashcroft(s). Sydney have Errol. Geelong took a mid top 10 last year.

And we need run and class. 

I think it has to be best available. If that lines up with a need then so be it, otherwise there’s no position where an elite player wouldn’t help us. Maybe a one dimensional contested mid wouldn’t be perfect but there’s no one like that in contention as far as I know. 

Edited September 26, 2023 by DeeSpencer

[Gawndy the Great 7,621]

57 minutes ago, adonski said:

Some new vision

 

It’s only one game but it seems like he handballs it too much. 

[ChaserJ 3,972]

3 hours ago, Gawndy the Great said:

It’s only one game but it seems like he handballs it too much. 

Not just the one game, reflective of his overall game. Averaged 10 kicks and 19 handpasses across the CTL season.

Across his 4 games at the Champs went at 12 kicks & 23 handpasses. Does most of his work inside to release the outside runners.

Edited September 26, 2023 by ChaserJ

[adonski 9,192]

2 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Not just the one game, reflective of his overall game. Averaged 10 kicks and 19 handpasses across the CTL season.

Across his 4 games at the Champs was 12 kicks & 23 handpasses. Does most of his work inside to release the outside runners.

Yeah it's gonna be interesting how we view him

Not exactly a major point of difference. But may simply be best available.

[Gawndy the Great 7,621]

42 minutes ago, ChaserJ said:

Not just the one game, reflective of his overall game. Averaged 10 kicks and 19 handpasses across the CTL season.

Across his 4 games at the Champs was 12 kicks & 23 handpasses. Does most of his work inside to release the outside runners.

If that’s the case , then pass. Need outside , we have too many inside bulls already. Ashcroft, Daicos, Sheezel are all outside players and how the draft has gone last 2 years. We need to get NM compensations pick with 5 and … to target McKercher.

[Stiff Arm 4,412]

11 hours ago, old55 said:

Christian Petracca and Jack Viney in the top 8 in the Brownlow, then there's that fellow Oliver.  Andrew Brayshaw's brother is there too and Tom Sparrow on the rise ...

Which one is an elite kick going i50?

I'll give you the answer: none

We need a quick, mostly outside or out/in mid with elite vision and disposal going i50

McKercher or Sanders look most likely. Hopefully one is available with our first call out, pretty please

Run and class

Edited September 26, 2023 by Stiff Arm

[The Jackson FIX 2,295]

8 minutes ago, Stiff Arm said:

Which one is an elite kick going i50?

I'll give you the answer: none

We need a quick, mostly outside or out/in mid with elite vision and disposal going i50

McKercher or Sanders look most likely. Hopefully one is available with our first call out, pretty please

Run and class

can’t we just coach our way out of this problem?  
 

Play with the play book before you play with the personnel 

they’re not elite disposers of the ball, but they’re not awful and they have been  instructed to kick it quickly to a contest.