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The 2023 Draft and Trade Targets Thread

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41 minutes ago, Binmans PA said:

Your description of O'Sullivan sounds like Darcy Moore. 😉

Be interesting to see where JT rates he and Read 

Darcy Moore is one of the best high marks in the game, he has a slight susceptibility to body contact which is why he’s better playing more zone. But his run and jump is elite.

Watch this cut up of O’Sullivans game. Excellent positioning. Gorgeous hands at ground level, the way he holds, shimmies and releases handballs is better than just about any mid in this draft.

But starting from the first few contests and throughout the video he’s letting the ball get over the back or getting out marked in contests. Very rarely does he get a clean spoil or leap (Lever) or push bodies out of the way (May) to intercept mark. Teaching him to spoil shouldn’t be too hard, he’s in position and has the athleticism, but teaching anyone to take contested marks is very hard.

 

 

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    1 minute ago, Demon Jack said:

     

     

    The right call and suggests that Petty will remain forward next year 

    In my opinion Tomlinson needs to start next year as the third tall and keep that position until one of Disco Turner or Jed Adams (or any potential recruits) force him out with consistent VFL form 

    Having said that you would have thought that this was the obvious call this year when Petty was moved forward but the FD never seemed convinced by Tomlinson, despite our defence always looking solid with him in the side

     

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    On 9/8/2023 at 11:19 AM, SthSea22 said:

    Experienced and decent KPF is a must

     

    Brown and T Mac are done 

     

    Do we go for Darling? 

    Swans give up one of Amartey/McLean for Grundy? 

    Jack Silvangi?

    Chol?

    So TMac and brown are done but you want Darling? Darling is 31 and more done than the other 2.  Silvagni is a hack and Chol is to inconsistent.  McLean and Amartey have only recently re-signed.  Unless we can get an A grade forward then we stick with developing the ones we have and maybe draft another.  B and C graders won’t help. 

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    6 minutes ago, demoncat said:

    The right call and suggests that Petty will remain forward next year 

    In my opinion Tomlinson needs to start next year as the third tall and keep that position until one of Disco Turner or Jed Adams (or any potential recruits) force him out with consistent VFL form 

    Having said that you would have thought that this was the obvious call this year when Petty was moved forward but the FD never seemed convinced by Tomlinson, despite our defence always looking solid with him in the side

     

    Some of our FD decisions this year were mind boggling.

    Culminating in the decision to play Schache as the tactical sub in a do-or-die final and then choose not to make a sub.

    Definitely not the reason we lost, but I just can't fathom why the coaching department would think it's a good idea to not have fresh legs come on? In comparison, Ollie Hollands came on and offered some genuine speed and run.

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    30 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    Darcy Moore is one of the best high marks in the game, he has a slight susceptibility to body contact which is why he’s better playing more zone. But his run and jump is elite.

    Watch this cut up of O’Sullivans game. Excellent positioning. Gorgeous hands at ground level, the way he holds, shimmies and releases handballs is better than just about any mid in this draft.

    But starting from the first few contests and throughout the video he’s letting the ball get over the back or getting out marked in contests. Very rarely does he get a clean spoil or leap (Lever) or push bodies out of the way (May) to intercept mark. Teaching him to spoil shouldn’t be too hard, he’s in position and has the athleticism, but teaching anyone to take contested marks is very hard.

     

     

    I like the look of him. If we wind up taking two first round picks to draft, I'm hoping for Mckercher as a running skilled midfielder to complement our overly inside mids, and O'Sullivan as a KPD Steven May replacement in future.

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    10 minutes ago, DistrACTION Jackson said:

    Some of our FD decisions this year were mind boggling.

    Culminating in the decision to play Schache as the tactical sub in a do-or-die final and then choose not to make a sub.

    Definitely not the reason we lost, but I just can't fathom why the coaching department would think it's a good idea to not have fresh legs come on? In comparison, Ollie Hollands came on and offered some genuine speed and run.

    1. Who did we have in reserve who would offer speed and run? Best we had was Laurie which I believe is the French word for turtle.

    2. Our talls were banged up and clearly a threat of not making it through the game, a tall as sub was deemed necessary. Gawn’s broke toe is one thing, I’m sure there were others with doubts on their fitness (Fritsch, T Mc).

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    31 minutes ago, Demon Jack said:

     

     

    A safe decision but not one I’d have made unless the cost of moving him on or of picking anyone else half decent up was entirely prohibitive.

    He plays a soft and shaky brand of football without any spirit, flair or joy. 

    Seems to be mates with Gawn and letting Max make list management decisions has consistently proven to be a disaster. 

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    15 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    A safe decision but not one I’d have made unless the cost of moving him on or of picking anyone else half decent up was entirely prohibitive.

    He plays a soft and shaky brand of football without any spirit, flair or joy. 

    Seems to be mates with Gawn and letting Max make list management decisions has consistently proven to be a disaster. 

    With respect DS nothing in this decision looks like a “ captains call” 

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    tomlinson would be worth nothing in a trade other than getting his $5-600k a year off our books for a year

    we're already going to jettison grundy's $650k for a negligible pick to the bloods

    he's vfl depth

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    39 minutes ago, DeeSpencer said:

    A safe decision but not one I’d have made unless the cost of moving him on or of picking anyone else half decent up was entirely prohibitive.

    He plays a soft and shaky brand of football without any spirit, flair or joy. 

    Seems to be mates with Gawn and letting Max make list management decisions has consistently proven to be a disaster. 

    Or he is experienced key position depth when our other young key defenders are young and inexperienced.

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    Fine with Tomlinson staying but people need to get over him not being a starting 18 player. He’s not quite good enough, lacks agility and dare as DeeSpencer pointed out. Maybe in a side floating around mid ladder he starts but not in our elite back six. Handy depth option for another season, especially with Petty going forward when needed. Can come in for specific match ups in certain games. 

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    22 minutes ago, whatwhat say what said:

    tomlinson would be worth nothing in a trade other than getting his $5-600k a year off our books for a year

    we're already going to jettison grundy's $650k for a negligible pick to the bloods

    he's vfl depth

    We’d likely have to pay half of it too,

    But if we’re a 50-75% chance of finding a player as good if not better for base wage and can clear 200k or so to help bring someone of quality in for another position isn’t that worth it? 

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    I said a few weeks ago it seemed sensible to use our pick bonanza and will our boots with multiple picks. I still think that’s the best bet.

    need elite kicking, composure, marking and decision making. So I’m not asking for much 😂😂

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    1 hour ago, DeeSpencer said:

    A safe decision but not one I’d have made unless the cost of moving him on or of picking anyone else half decent up was entirely prohibitive.

    He plays a soft and shaky brand of football without any spirit, flair or joy. 

    Seems to be mates with Gawn and letting Max make list management decisions has consistently proven to be a disaster. 

    Current whipping boy by some, but not by me. Drafted 9 in his draft year, has generally been more than adequate when needed, is a good kick and a good big body match up. 

    Ok decision l reckon.
     

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    12 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Anyone know what this article says?

     

    No new information about any targets or potential movements - just Ralphy’s list of players he suggests we go after ranked from ‘Hail Mary’ types like Oscar Allan and Harry McKay to more gettable options like Mabior Chol

    Honestly nothing that inspires any confidence of being able to lure across a star key forward - but then again what would Ralphy actually know about who the club might be talking to 🤷‍♂️

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    13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Anyone know what this article says?

     

    We should make Hail Mary offers to Allen, Ben King and Tom Lynch.

    We should offer the world for Harry McKay.

    Or trade for Chol, Finlayson, Darling, Lord, Waterman, Burgess, Kositschzke or Ash Johnson. 

    Or Breust for some reason?

    In other words Ralphy has just repackaged a few posts in to a news article. 

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    6 hours ago, Norm Smith's Curse said:

    We offer Grundy to Sydney for one of their many contracted young forwards. Most have kicked around the 14 to 18 goal range. They have too many as it is. 

    Heeney thanks 😝

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    2 hours ago, demoncat said:

    No new information about any targets or potential movements - just Ralphy’s list of players he suggests we go after ranked from ‘Hail Mary’ types like Oscar Allan and Harry McKay to more gettable options like Mabior Chol

    Honestly nothing that inspires any confidence of being able to lure across a star key forward - but then again what would Ralphy actually know about who the club might be talking to 🤷‍♂️

    So Ralph started the Oscar Allen rumor

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    13 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

    Anyone have access to this?

     

    Power interested in Soldo is the only new piece of info

    As well as:

    The Roos will secure picks two and three, with clubs now believing they could secure a mid-first round pick from the AFL at pick 11 — after the non-finalists — to help preserve the draft order which will be impacted by academy and free agency picks.

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    11 minutes ago, adonski said:

    Power interested in Soldo is the only new piece of info

    As well as:

    The Roos will secure picks two and three, with clubs now believing they could secure a mid-first round pick from the AFL at pick 11 — after the non-finalists — to help preserve the draft order which will be impacted by academy and free agency picks.

    I myself am linking Geelong with Soldo, would be a neat handover from stanley before conway 

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    5 hours ago, Demon Jack said:

     

     

    Good, quick, early decision. More please.

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    16 minutes ago, adonski said:

    Power interested in Soldo is the only new piece of info

    As well as:

    The Roos will secure picks two and three, with clubs now believing they could secure a mid-first round pick from the AFL at pick 11 — after the non-finalists — to help preserve the draft order which will be impacted by academy and free agency picks.

    Power interested in Soldo after securing Sweet?

    They're hitting Grundy/Melbournesque levels here..

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