2 minutes ago, YearOfTheDees said:

I agree if they just cut them loose the optics are very bad. So it's find other jobs within the club or they choose to retire.

I was thinking more about supporting them for with medical, physio and other rehab activities and costs than the role they might play...

Just now, Lucifers Hero said:

I was thinking more about supporting them for with medical, physio and other rehab activities and costs than the role they might play...

The club would already be doing that regardless of retirement/delisting.

27 minutes ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Wouldn't the club do the right thing by Melksham and give him another year to support him thru his ACL recovery, even if we put him on the Inactive list?

Edit:  Similarly for Dunstan.  Seems a bit rough to just cut them loose.

Agreed, but we saw what the Bulldogs just did with Mitch Hannan.

I'd say Melksham will retire and Dunstan might get another year.

8 hours ago, manny100 said:

The WCE recruiting boss hinted that they would use pick 1 to pick up several players implying it would be traded.

They converted pick 2 last year into more picks.

So i think it will be on the market.

Do we go for pick 1 or do we go for GC's pick 4 and have 2 early picks? I am thinking 2 early picks. Depends how highly we rate Reid

Regardless of what us Supporters want i reckon we're in a pretty good Pozzy for the future. Personally I don't even know what I want but gimme gimme. As long as the Jackson for Whomever is a good result I'll be happy. Futures Looking Grand. 

6 hours ago, Jaded No More said:

I would think Melksham, Hibbo and possibly Ben Brown will retire. That’s 3 already. 
Dunstan won’t get a new deal. JJ will leave. Harmes will also likely go. And Grundy is almost certain to be traded. 

We have one rookie upgrade in McVee. How do we only need 3 picks then? 

I think we'll use 4 picks in the draft, incl what we get for Grundy (maybe mid 2nd rounder). Upgrade Turner, maybe upgrade McVee a year early, ensuring he gets a decent 3/4 year contract. That's 6 there

We could trade up for Reid, 2 x top 10 picks or 5, 15, 33 and 2024 1st. Leaves us with Freo's 24, the Grundy 2nd rounder and late pick for Brown

Out: Melk, Hibbo, Dunstan, JJ and Grundy. Reckon Harmes stays (urghh!), BBB too, both depth, but who knows. What's the status of Schache, is he on 1 year?

In: Reid, picks 24 (Tholstrup) 27ish for Grundy (Freijar), Pup Brown

Upgrade: Turner, McVee

All speculation, of course

Will be an interesting trade period, that's for sure

 

Edited August 30, 20231 yr by Stiff Arm

1 hour ago, Lucifers Hero said:

Wouldn't the club do the right thing by Melksham and give him another year to support him thru his ACL recovery, even if we put him on the Inactive list?

Edit:  Similarly for Dunstan.  Seems a bit rough to just cut them loose.

I’m sure they’ll pay for and support their rehab regardless. Doesn’t mean they’ll be kept on the list. 

3 hours ago, david_neitz_is_my_dad said:

Picks 4 and 5 for 1 just seems a risk. Would love to know JT's current thoughts on Reid if he actually wants him this badly

4 & 5 will become 5 & 6 when a Walter bid is matched inside pick 4. Could even become 6 & 7 after McKay compo. 

With that in mind, I’m all for swinging for the pick 1 fences.

13 hours ago, Mach5 said:

JJ as a FA will leave for no return, but will provide a vacant list spot.

We get AFL compo pick probably late round 2 or 3

Iirc if the injury occurred whilst a player of the club they pay for everything if no longer on their list or the list of another club (that could be another sport and I’m getting them mixed up, but I think it’s the AFL)

I would have thought as a point of law, if an employee gets injured on the job, the employer is liable to cover medical costs until they recover, irrespective of whether in or out of contract. perhaps a DL legal eagle can confirm or disprove.

Not sure why everyone is writing Melksham's career off. An ACL is generally a 9-month injury, meaning he will be ok theoretically by June, before mid-season

3 hours ago, Binmans PA said:

Agreed, but we saw what the Bulldogs just did with Mitch Hannan.

I'd say Melksham will retire and Dunstan might get another year.

What's your theory on Dunstan getting another year if he couldn't break through this year, and barely played a game last year?

31 minutes ago, BDA said:

I would have thought as a point of law, if an employee gets injured on the job, the employer is liable to cover medical costs until they recover, irrespective of whether in or out of contract. perhaps a DL legal eagle can confirm or disprove.

Correct

29 minutes ago, Glorious Day said:

What's your theory on Dunstan getting another year if he couldn't break through this year, and barely played a game last year?

Not much haha. He's probably off too!

4 hours ago, samcantstandya said:

We get AFL compo pick probably late round 2 or 3

Third round, I would think. Mid to late 40s

The key to this draft will be Gold Coast that has to find enough points to pay for three Academy players - all predicted to go in the top 20

A few clubs including us are all over it and whatever deals will get done - I have every faith in our team - should help boost our draft hand 

West Coast may also get involved as they are keen to get Daniel Curtain so may split the No 1 pick.  

 

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

The key to this draft will be Gold Coast that has to find enough points to pay for three Academy players - all predicted to go in the top 20

A few clubs including us are all over it and whatever deals will get done - I have every faith in our team - should help boost our draft hand 

West Coast may also get involved as they are keen to get Daniel Curtain so may split the No 1 pick.  

 

GC already have enough points to cover their Academy kids, they have 4 of them not just the 3 we've read about. It would look like they will trade pick 4 for future firsts. They may only need around 4200 points depending on where their bids fall, and they will get some currency from any players they trade out. Maybe our FF1 plus ports FF2 for grundy plus #15

 

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12 hours ago, Glorious Day said:

What's your theory on Dunstan getting another year if he couldn't break through this year, and barely played a game last year?

I’ve heard that Dunstan is retiring 

33 minutes ago, Viscount Cardwell said:

GC already have enough points to cover their Academy kids, they have 4 of them not just the 3 we've read about. It would look like they will trade pick 4 for future firsts. They may only need around 4200 points depending on where their bids fall, and they will get some currency from any players they trade out. Maybe our FF1 plus ports FF2 for grundy plus #15

 

Isn't there a rule that you can't stack a whole lot of picks to use on academy bids - i.e. you have to have that many list spots available or something?

28 minutes ago, deelusions from afar said:

Isn't there a rule that you can't stack a whole lot of picks to use on academy bids - i.e. you have to have that many list spots available or something?

that used to be the case but i have no confidence it is now

14 hours ago, Glorious Day said:

Not sure why everyone is writing Melksham's career off. An ACL is generally a 9-month injury, meaning he will be ok theoretically by June, before mid-season

Which AFL players have returned to match fitness in only 9 months?

A few years ago a Richmond player had a  super fast ACL recovery but doctors wouldnt give him the green light to play as it takes up to 12 months for the ACL to be strong enough otherwise it might tear  or snap again. David Schwartz is a good example.

GC currently hold:

4, 28, 31, 42, 47, 56, 60, 65, 69.

Assuming GC’s 3 early academy picks get bid on at the relatively conservative:

Pick 2 = 2517 = 2014 with discount

Pick 6 = 1751 = 1401 with discount

Pick 13 = 1212 = 970 with discount

In total they’d need 4385 points.

Currently their pick haul is worth 4507. However I’m unsure if Walter going at pick 2 then bumps each pick out a spot, devaluing it. So 4 & 28 would be eaten up, but then 31 would become 32 & so forth.

Then Reid would absorb 32, 43, 48 & 57. Unsure what the change would be from Walter, but we’re looking at a shortfall if they want Rogers too.

Anyway I think they’ll want to capitalise on pick 4, converting it to sufficient points to cover all 3, and then future picks if possible.

Subject to trades swapping picks, I’d be worried about competition from Sydney, Adelaide, St Kilda & Bulldogs, if they have the appetite for pick 4.
No one else would come very close in matching points totals in trade. And I doubt they have the desire we do.

Is Reid an elite kick?

2 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Is Reid an elite kick?

Good, but not elite

An interesting article about how a few AFL Clubs are vying for the coveted number 1# AFL Draft pick this year!

Here's the link: https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/clubs-in-the-mix-for-no1-pick-and-what-they-could-offer-the-eagles/news-story/dcc282ef4c38af2e38c4d0a11c1b8900

 

Interesting to note the possibility of Melbourne being able to claim the number 1# AFL Draft pick so we can snaffle Harley Reid! 🤔