On 06/10/2023 at 19:46, tiers said:

At least Peter McLean 1964 and Cameron Mooney in 1999.

Mooney did at least take the ground, long enough to be hip-and-shouldered by Koutafides and sold a dummy by Silvagni. Brushed shoulders with the greats, he did. Oh, and gave away a free kick. So, technically, you could say Jordon had a better game than Mooney.

Heh, there's a funny coincidence; both Byron and Kysaiah Pickett played in an early-career premiership alongside a player who got no disposals in the game.

Also coincidental - Pickett's 2-kick 2-handball game in the winning 2004 prelim final is exactly the same as Pickett's 2-kick 2-handball stats from the winning 2021 grand final.

Now, a better coincidence would be 'winning a Norm Smith medal in a win over the reigning premiers after your club has been knocked out of finals two seasons in a row despite top-4 finishes.'

Reflecting on Jordon's role at Sydney - he'll be a reliable presence in a midfield that already has quite a bit of flair and power. In a way it is the exact reverse of his scenario at Melbourne where he was 'just another' solid midfield player in a team that was in need of some dynamism. That perspective has been shown in our recruiting and drafting choices, too.

16 hours ago, Little Goffy said:

Reflecting on Jordon's role at Sydney - he'll be a reliable presence in a midfield that already has quite a bit of flair and power. In a way it is the exact reverse of his scenario at Melbourne where he was 'just another' solid midfield player in a team that was in need of some dynamism. That perspective has been shown in our recruiting and drafting choices, too.

Nicely articulated, but he's not in their best 22

“Probably personally, it (my decision) was playing on my mind a fair bit towards the back end of the year" 

In accordance with his semi final against Carlton.

23 hours ago, adonski said:

I will watch Jimmy the kid Jordon have 28 touches a game in his sleep in the well oiled machine that is the Sydney Swom then flick over to watch Sparrow's 14 touches and six fumbles a week thinking what could have been

 

Sparrow is a totally different player to JJ. He is much more dynamic, much more damaging with his ball use, and has a good burst of speed. JJ lacks those things, which made him surplus to our needs. Accumulating possessions in our midfield is not a valued skill when you have the likes of Clarry and Viney getting 30+ touches a week every week.

I wish JJ the absolute best at Sydney. He is a lovely, hard working kid and I totally get why he left. 

2 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Sparrow is a totally different player to JJ. He is much more dynamic, much more damaging with his ball use, and has a good burst of speed. JJ lacks those things, which made him surplus to our needs. Accumulating possessions in our midfield is not a valued skill when you have the likes of Clarry and Viney getting 30+ touches a week every week.

I wish JJ the absolute best at Sydney. He is a lovely, hard working kid and I totally get why he left. 

46 minutes ago, Jaded No More said:

Sparrow is a totally different player to JJ. He is much more dynamic, much more damaging with his ball use, and has a good burst of speed. JJ lacks those things, which made him surplus to our needs. Accumulating possessions in our midfield is not a valued skill when you have the likes of Clarry and Viney getting 30+ touches a week every week.

I wish JJ the absolute best at Sydney. He is a lovely, hard working kid and I totally get why he left. 

Sparrow can definitely roost a ball off minimal steps. Love that about him. 

9 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

DE is a lie.

JJ has no elite qualities as a mid.

Sparrow has elite toughness over the footy and very penetrating kick.

Hes no world beater but he’s better than Sparrow. 

Also we need to give minutes to Laurie and Howes.

9 minutes ago, rpfc said:

DE is a lie.

JJ has no elite qualities as a mid.

Sparrow has elite toughness over the footy and very penetrating kick.

Hes no world beater but he’s better than Sparrow. 

Also we need to give minutes to Laurie and Howes.

I'll be a smart A... Let me get this right, Sparrow is better than Sparrow!

Jordon's probably the more reliable player in terms of getting a solid 20 touches a game but Sparrow has more upside.

Sydney are absolutely excited to have JJ on board. Kinnear Beatson was extremely bullish on what he can provide when interviewed post trade week.

Jordon is no longer at the club because he has no elite qualities, and could only win 11 possessions in consecutive games as a full time midfielder in rounds 19 and 20.

His semi final effort was absolutely putrid. Good luck to him, but we can do much better.

Sparrow is a tease at present. He has many of the tools needed to become a really good player, other than speed, but is also prone to going missing for long periods. I suspect he would benefit from serious competition for his spot, and potentially the occasional game at Casey. At the moment he seems happy to coast along and be an average player.

1 hour ago, rpfc said:

DE is a lie.

JJ has no elite qualities as a mid.

Sparrow has elite toughness over the footy and very penetrating kick.

Hes no world beater but he’s better than Sparrow. 

Also we need to give minutes to Laurie and Howes.

Debatable.

Look, I don't see much upside in Jordon from a skill set point of view, but let's not pretend that Sparrow is much better by foot. Both just as poor as one another.

Whilst Sparrow has more penetration and distance in his foot skills, he also had some horrendous turnover by foot in some games. He's not much different to how Brent Moloney was.

To be honest, I see more upside in Taj Woewodin then I do in Sparrow and Jordon.

Like you, I am also hoping Laurie comes on as a mid/forward because he could really add to the mix with his skill set and agility. 

2 hours ago, poita said:

Jordon is no longer at the club because he has no elite qualities, and could only win 11 possessions in consecutive games as a full time midfielder in rounds 19 and 20.

His semi final effort was absolutely putrid. Good luck to him, but we can do much better.

Sparrow is a tease at present. He has many of the tools needed to become a really good player, other than speed, but is also prone to going missing for long periods. I suspect he would benefit from serious competition for his spot, and potentially the occasional game at Casey. At the moment he seems happy to coast along and be an average player.

Jordon is no longer at the club because he was a free agent and was a wanted player at other clubs. At right price and circumstances the MFC would have kept him. 

15 hours ago, waynewussell said:

I'll be a smart A... Let me get this right, Sparrow is better than Sparrow!

Yes, yes. I’m tired ok. I’m mixing my kids names up with the cats, it’s a thing.

 

On 07/12/2023 at 15:03, roy11 said:

Sparrow can definitely roost a ball off minimal steps. Love that about him. 

Sparrow is a brute of a midfielder who can shrug a tackle and has a penetrating leg on him.

Nothing against JJ but he is a very vanilla type midfielder.

Wish him nothing but the best at the swans but not against us obviously.

 

On 07/12/2023 at 11:40, rpfc said:

DE is a lie.

JJ has no elite qualities as a mid.

Sparrow has elite toughness over the footy and very penetrating kick.

Hes no world beater but he’s better than Sparrow. 

Also we need to give minutes to Laurie and Howes.

I dont needs the stats to tell me that Sparrow is a better player than JJ with more weapons and scope for improvement. 

I know hindsight is 20/20 but ouch....

45 minutes ago, Cheap Seats said:

I know hindsight is 20/20 but ouch....

he wanted to leave, what can you do?

good teams lose players not in their best 22

1 hour ago, Cheap Seats said:

I know hindsight is 20/20 but ouch....

If you mean he could have replaced Gus: no, he couldn't.

Apparently played well in todays scratch match. Could well be this years Bedford.

Goody and co just haven’t been able to convince young fringe players to stay. They’ve been given contracts, opportunity and the chance to go to good clubs in a great city, but it’s disappointing.

I don’t have any issues with the way guys weren’t picked for certain games. You can’t do selection via hindsight. JJ got a good run in 2022 and didn’t really do anything to suggest he had to stick in the side permanently last year.

I have some issue that players weren’t convinced to stay with others moved out to accomodate them. And I guess in JJ’s case I’m not over the moon about Hunter taking his spot and being no better. 

1 hour ago, DubDee said:

he wanted to leave, what can you do?

good teams lose players not in their best 22

He might not have if he had opportunity 

55 minutes ago, Ollie fan said:

If you mean he could have replaced Gus: no, he couldn't.

Care to provide the lotto numbers as well? 

5 minutes ago, Cheap Seats said:

He might not have if he had opportunity 

true he didn’t get as many opportunities as he could have